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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 13:30:12 GMT
Your opinion Icegas,but little basis in fact. Take the economy, the one path where, as you have, Trump can argue some (on paper) positive stats. You take an economy which has been growing for 6 consecutive years prior to 2016 and then in 3 years you pump $3 Trillion, that's TRILLION, of debt funded money into it, what do you think is going to happen? Of course when that artificial stimulus stops the economy slows down and asset values start to drop. But the debt is still there, earning interest. And guess who holds a lot of that debt? China. Now tell me Icegas, is that the sort of economic management you endorse? Because you just have. We are f**ked in regards to China, as just like you said they are holding all the debt and are fast becoming the world's world reserve currency. That's not Trumps doing,as thats been going on for years even down to the cash that they invest in Hollywood films. Trump has been strong on China and North Korea,how do you think Biden will be...😂 Damn. There was me thinking you were being rational. Trump was tough on paper, but ask the Soya bean farmers in the mid west how that went, how manufacturers felt about their new import costs. No it was hubris and bullshit. He then made the most ridiculous statement that China was paying for the inflated import tariffs. It's an insult to average intelligence. China most definitely has a case to answer, they are a threat to the economic system and rule of democracy as we know it. Did Trump stop them... hardly. |
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Post by baggins on Nov 9, 2020 7:23:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 8:51:18 GMT
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Post by stuartcampbell on Nov 10, 2020 7:45:46 GMT
He was unbearable before,if he does win what does this say about America? , To me it says America need better candidates. Simple. I think everybody agrees that Trump shouldn't be anywhere near the White House, he's a celebrity billionaire businessman. If, which is looking very likely he wins the election and gets a 2nd term, the Democrats, just like Labour here, need a complete overhaul. They're an embarrassment, quite frankly. Haven't caught up on the rest of the pages yet am currently reading through the thread, but I 100% agree with this. Hillary in 2016; Obama who I was hugely critical of because he championed "Washington needs to change," then basically did nothing for 8 years and continued with the status quo. I think the future of the Democratic party is to the left, in all honesty. Bernie Sanders' policies are hugely popular when polled, I read somewhere he holds the popular opinion on pretty much every governmental issue. Andrew Yang is also a hugely respectable candidate who I can't believe didn't do significantly better in the Primaries. Even for the Republicans; John Kasich and Marco Rubio in particularly are light years ahead of Trump and likely would have crushed Biden, hell, Romney would have as well in my opinion. This is all less a vote for Joe Biden, and more a vote of no confidence in Donald Trump |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Nov 10, 2020 7:50:18 GMT
It's not about the Candidates for me what I'm interested in is how a potential majority of voters (tens of millions)can vote for a misogynist, bully and self centred individual who uses the Office of President as a platform to enrich himself and stroke his ego. What is wrong with American Society? I think messaging is always key. Sadly, for several years, the left, pretty much the world over, has lost the ability to put forward prospective policy but rather relies on the campaign strategy of telling people off - a classic example on Radio Bristol this morning; one Republican voter living in Somerset, one Democrat in Bristol - the Republican put forward her view of Trump's last term couched in a fairly neutral way and when asked if there was a middle ground, the Democrat lady simply responded by admonishing the Republican for being a white woman of privilege and, as I understand it, thinking things. Now, whatever your position on either of those perspectives is surely anyone would rather hear what your side stands for rather than simply what you're against. Thankfully Keir Starmer seems to be a little above this sort of thing and is a bit more positive - other seniors in his shadow cabinet less so (Angela Rayner for example). But really left wing politics needs to learn - the way to change a person's mind is not to just hector them. Otherwise you get this sort of thing. Opinion polls show massive left gains, then when people get in the voting booth, where they can't be told off anymore, do they say what they really think. Agree with all of this except the Rayner criticism. I think the media's handling of the entire thing was disgraceful; yes her comments were 100% inappropriate but her grandmother had died of COVID the day before. Imagine going into work the day after you lose a loved one and someone accuses you of being happy that people are dying so you could exploit it. I'd have called him a lot worse than scum myself. |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Nov 10, 2020 8:32:48 GMT
Evidence of fraud? Do you have any? There is plenty if you care to search online with an open mind which you wont...as anything shared here will just be rejected as lies unless it comes from a main stream media source or it fits into your views.That's always the case here on Gas chat. Let bottom line this, there has been a witch hunt against Trump from day one that he said he was running 5 years ago. Sexual scandals from his past,Russia involvement ,claimed racist remarks, branded "far Right" etc...all have been dismissed when looked into but still people hate him for no just "Poltical" reason. If you hate, or dislike him on a personal level fine, but have an fair debate when it comes to the job his was doing and done. There is no doubt Trump would have won VERY EASY if it wasn't for C19.That's not an excuse, but common sense.The most pushed democratic nominee ever, other maybe Hilary beat the Orange man by a hamsters pube length.Last week Trump was said to have no chance by the media or in the polls, and by god he almost did it! So if not for C19 Biden wouldnt have been close to winning. C19 killed Trumps chances of winning fairly as he is judged upon that fact that 200k have died in the US due to it.Before C19, the US had its greatest economy ever, there was the lowest black unemployment recored and he helped calm down tensions on the korean peninsula by have f**king balls.How many wars have Trump taken his country into these past 4 years?? There has been a clear anti trump narrative from day one, and given the democrats past and illogical behaviour towards anything Trump there can be little doubt of corruption of some kind given how close the result was. The thing is this could be overturned,I doubt it will...and anything that happens from January will be blamed on the Trump era, even tho that old insane smug,pervo Biden will be in office. You watch where the radical, brainwashed lefties take us over the next 4 years. The world's a much safer place with Trump in the white house than we will be with Biden there. His handling of many key issues were horrendous. You can't say "if it wasn't for coronavirus he would have got in," because if my auntie had a dick she'd be my uncle. We don't know what would have happened otherwise. The Trump Administration has lost themselves this election due to their incompetence, and Biden just needed to not be Trump to win. Trump's handling of coronavirus was disastrous, truly, makes our government look outstanding. And the case isn't "well, it's out of Trump's hands," many nations around the world handled coronavirus fantastically; whether that be New Zealand or Germany. Many nations haven't, like ours and like Brazil's. Coronavirus is an issue but it is by no means a guarantee that the leader at the end of it will fail. Trump's handling of the protests in June were horrendous, a glaring hypocrisy between his militant thugs who were protesting lockdowns and the "Marxist terrorists," who were peacefully protesting not wanting to get killed by the police. The fact 93% of protests were found to be peaceful and of the 7% that weren't the vast majority's agitators were counter-protest groups like the Proud Boys or the police. Trump's appointment of Amy Coney Barrett was an embarrassment that the majority of Americans disagreed with, especially given the glaring hypocrisy of the whole debacle of the issue of Merrick Garland's appointment in 2016. On healthcare, Trump's views were wildly unpopular and the vast majority preferred Biden's plans. You also say "he almost won the election," like he didn't almost lose in 2016 by a very similar margin. And if it wasn't for the completely incompetent and undemocratic Electoral College he wouldn't have a chance. But neither would the Republican Party so that's why they don't advocate for it getting removed, claiming it gives "smaller states a voice," smaller states which are usually never campaigned in because candidates only really focus on swing states. There's also no evidence of voter fraud, you're not posting it in here because you know there's no evidence and of the claims that have been made here and there have been wildly debunked, and you know we have google Icegas. In conclusion: Trump's legacy will be failure. Riding on the back of a great long-term economic plan from Barack Obama, his lack of action resulted in the deaths of thousands due to his incompetence, he sought to divide but in reality he just brought everyone together against him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 11:08:37 GMT
There is plenty if you care to search online with an open mind which you wont...as anything shared here will just be rejected as lies unless it comes from a main stream media source or it fits into your views.That's always the case here on Gas chat. Let bottom line this, there has been a witch hunt against Trump from day one that he said he was running 5 years ago. Sexual scandals from his past,Russia involvement ,claimed racist remarks, branded "far Right" etc...all have been dismissed when looked into but still people hate him for no just "Poltical" reason. If you hate, or dislike him on a personal level fine, but have an fair debate when it comes to the job his was doing and done. There is no doubt Trump would have won VERY EASY if it wasn't for C19.That's not an excuse, but common sense.The most pushed democratic nominee ever, other maybe Hilary beat the Orange man by a hamsters pube length.Last week Trump was said to have no chance by the media or in the polls, and by god he almost did it! So if not for C19 Biden wouldnt have been close to winning. C19 killed Trumps chances of winning fairly as he is judged upon that fact that 200k have died in the US due to it.Before C19, the US had its greatest economy ever, there was the lowest black unemployment recored and he helped calm down tensions on the korean peninsula by have f**king balls.How many wars have Trump taken his country into these past 4 years?? There has been a clear anti trump narrative from day one, and given the democrats past and illogical behaviour towards anything Trump there can be little doubt of corruption of some kind given how close the result was. The thing is this could be overturned,I doubt it will...and anything that happens from January will be blamed on the Trump era, even tho that old insane smug,pervo Biden will be in office. You watch where the radical, brainwashed lefties take us over the next 4 years. The world's a much safer place with Trump in the white house than we will be with Biden there. His handling of many key issues were horrendous. You can't say "if it wasn't for coronavirus he would have got in," because if my auntie had a dick she'd be my uncle. We don't know what would have happened otherwise. The Trump Administration has lost themselves this election due to their incompetence, and Biden just needed to not be Trump to win. Trump's handling of coronavirus was disastrous, truly, makes our government look outstanding. And the case isn't "well, it's out of Trump's hands," many nations around the world handled coronavirus fantastically; whether that be New Zealand or Germany. Many nations haven't, like ours and like Brazil's. Coronavirus is an issue but it is by no means a guarantee that the leader at the end of it will fail. Trump's handling of the protests in June were horrendous, a glaring hypocrisy between his militant thugs who were protesting lockdowns and the "Marxist terrorists," who were peacefully protesting not wanting to get killed by the police. The fact 93% of protests were found to be peaceful and of the 7% that weren't the vast majority's agitators were counter-protest groups like the Proud Boys or the police. Trump's appointment of Amy Coney Barrett was an embarrassment that the majority of Americans disagreed with, especially given the glaring hypocrisy of the whole debacle of the issue of Merrick Garland's appointment in 2016. On healthcare, Trump's views were wildly unpopular and the vast majority preferred Biden's plans. You also say "he almost won the election," like he didn't almost lose in 2016 by a very similar margin. And if it wasn't for the completely incompetent and undemocratic Electoral College he wouldn't have a chance. But neither would the Republican Party so that's why they don't advocate for it getting removed, claiming it gives "smaller states a voice," smaller states which are usually never campaigned in because candidates only really focus on swing states. There's also no evidence of voter fraud, you're not posting it in here because you know there's no evidence and of the claims that have been made here and there have been wildly debunked, and you know we have google Icegas. In conclusion: Trump's legacy will be failure. Riding on the back of a great long-term economic plan from Barack Obama, his lack of action resulted in the deaths of thousands due to his incompetence, he sought to divide but in reality he just brought everyone together against him. Trump was simply a vehicle to swing America further to the right, all right-wing factions united behind him... Racists, capitalists, fascists, supremacists, technocrats LOVED him for what he was allowing them to achieve. The Koch brothers were crucial for him behind the scenes, right-wing libertarians. Occam's razor does work but the modern means of media do cloud judgement with every minute detail being news worthy, confusing matters. Tbh I was one of the ones who would say trump isn't a fascist, but when you consider it, he was willing to enable fascism. |
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Post by LJG on Nov 10, 2020 12:46:31 GMT
I think messaging is always key. Sadly, for several years, the left, pretty much the world over, has lost the ability to put forward prospective policy but rather relies on the campaign strategy of telling people off - a classic example on Radio Bristol this morning; one Republican voter living in Somerset, one Democrat in Bristol - the Republican put forward her view of Trump's last term couched in a fairly neutral way and when asked if there was a middle ground, the Democrat lady simply responded by admonishing the Republican for being a white woman of privilege and, as I understand it, thinking things. Now, whatever your position on either of those perspectives is surely anyone would rather hear what your side stands for rather than simply what you're against. Thankfully Keir Starmer seems to be a little above this sort of thing and is a bit more positive - other seniors in his shadow cabinet less so (Angela Rayner for example). But really left wing politics needs to learn - the way to change a person's mind is not to just hector them. Otherwise you get this sort of thing. Opinion polls show massive left gains, then when people get in the voting booth, where they can't be told off anymore, do they say what they really think. Agree with all of this except the Rayner criticism. I think the media's handling of the entire thing was disgraceful; yes her comments were 100% inappropriate but her grandmother had died of COVID the day before. Imagine going into work the day after you lose a loved one and someone accuses you of being happy that people are dying so you could exploit it. I'd have called him a lot worse than scum myself. I must have missed the incident you're talking about. I was talking about Angela Rayner in more historic, general terms. I haven't seen a story about her calling anyone scum. |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Nov 10, 2020 16:48:08 GMT
Agree with all of this except the Rayner criticism. I think the media's handling of the entire thing was disgraceful; yes her comments were 100% inappropriate but her grandmother had died of COVID the day before. Imagine going into work the day after you lose a loved one and someone accuses you of being happy that people are dying so you could exploit it. I'd have called him a lot worse than scum myself. I must have missed the incident you're talking about. I was talking about Angela Rayner in more historic, general terms. I haven't seen a story about her calling anyone scum. Fair enough then, I thought you were talking specifically about the story in which she called someone scum in the House; people focussed solely on that in the media which was kind of abhorrent given the things he was saying. Politicians are people too and you can't always expect them to be civilised when faced with such personal attacks |
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Post by baggins on Nov 11, 2020 6:07:08 GMT
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Post by gregsy on Nov 11, 2020 9:25:35 GMT
Well, I suppose he is saying goodbye to the circus..... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 12:42:12 GMT
I am not. One of the witnesses at the Infamous Landscaping Co press conference was a convicted sex offender. You really couldn't make this up. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 20, 2020 21:17:38 GMT
I see Trump has gone full Alex Jones now claiming bug pharma lost him votes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 8:19:46 GMT
I see Trump has gone full Alex Jones now claiming bug pharma lost him votes I am hoping he carries on with his insanity. With each passing day he is making an utter fool of himself and making his supporters look like idiots. The Manhattan DA is after him, a claim about falsifying his tax returns. Paying his daughter consultancy fees and writing that cost off against corporation tax. Here is hoping. |
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Post by baggins on Dec 18, 2020 18:50:30 GMT
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Post by pirate on Dec 18, 2020 20:06:48 GMT
I see Trump has gone full Alex Jones now claiming bug pharma lost him votes Trump did appear on his show back in the day, saying to Jones "your reputation is amazing". Lol.  |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 19, 2020 8:53:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 10:32:11 GMT
Embezzlement by any other name. Once he loses Presidential Immunity I can see a class action lawsuit if details of this story are true. |
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