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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 18:36:42 GMT
Might as well post the videos of the shooting if it is being discussed. Not overly graphic but obviously disturbing. Ah I wonder why it was described as a ledge as it is actually a window, which changes the context significantly and provides more justification although as far as I am concerned anyone trespassing on the capitol building in a country that uses lethal force can’t be surprised or argue too much if they end up getting seriously hurt. Where I agree with the “it would have been different if BLM” argument is that it was somewhat laughable that there was video of these cretins leaving via the back door and hamming it up for the cameras. Why were arrests not made? The only possible justification for that is that police numbers were low and they didn’t want to start a further riot, but even so- allowing trespassers on government property to saunter out with their kneecaps intact?! |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 10, 2021 18:36:57 GMT
Shame people don't want to look at the facts when chronic felons who happened to be Black are shot and killed or injured, though, eh! Just complete outrage. So felons deserve to die? Should police suffocate them to death whilst they plead for air, just because they're a felon? |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 10, 2021 18:46:38 GMT
Shame people don't want to look at the facts when chronic felons who happened to be Black are shot and killed or injured, though, eh! Just complete outrage. So felons deserve to die? Should police suffocate them to death whilst they plead for air, just because they're a felon? I didn't say that, did I? Did the woman shot in the Capitol Building deserve to die? "No sympathy" was one comment. So why the complete reverse and full sympathy for criminals who hold guns to pregnant womans bellys, drug dealers and sexual predators when they happen to die or get injured? |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 10, 2021 18:59:36 GMT
So felons deserve to die? Should police suffocate them to death whilst they plead for air, just because they're a felon? I didn't say that, did I? Did the woman shot in the Capitol Building deserve to die? "No sympathy" was one comment. So why the complete reverse and full sympathy for criminals who hold guns to pregnant womans bellys, drug dealers and sexual predators when they happen to die or get injured? Well you seem to be quite the advocate that there shouldn't be outrage over the death of someone, because they're a felon. "Complete and utter outrage over 3 rare Incidents involving vile mass criminals" It's astonishing to not realise the difference between kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes and suffocating them to death and someone trying to breach the capitol building whilst guns are pointed and warnings shouted by secret service. Still, as long as he's a felon it doesn't matter right? |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 10, 2021 19:08:37 GMT
I didn't say that, did I? Did the woman shot in the Capitol Building deserve to die? "No sympathy" was one comment. So why the complete reverse and full sympathy for criminals who hold guns to pregnant womans bellys, drug dealers and sexual predators when they happen to die or get injured? Well you seem to be quite the advocate that there shouldn't be outrage over the death of someone, because they're a felon. "Complete and utter outrage over 3 rare Incidents involving vile mass criminals" It's astonishing to not realise the difference between kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes and suffocating them to death and someone trying to breach the capitol building whilst guns are pointed and warnings shouted by secret service. Still, as long as he's a felon it doesn't matter right? I've mentioned other incidents. Breonna Taylor - Again the outrage over her death, when her boyfriend starting firing shots in the pitch Black. What should the Police of done just let him fire away? They shot back and she was caught in the cross fire. Nobody cared about those facts, they just went with the tired narrative of the Police killing innocent Black folk. Jacob Blake - The same, had a restriction order to stay away from his girlfriend because of sexual assault, went to hers, stole her vehicle with kids in the car, when stopped by the Police he was agressive and armed with a knife, he was warned several times to drop the knife, he didn't and was shot. Yet again the narrative was that Police shot an innocent Black bloke. People didn't care about these facts. Yet when a woman is shot dead in the Capitol building, it's just meh, no sympathy. Its the hypocrisy, that's all. |
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Post by francegas on Jan 10, 2021 19:13:15 GMT
Shame people don't want to look at the facts when chronic felons who happened to be Black are shot and killed or injured, though, eh! Just complete outrage. So felons deserve to die? Should police suffocate them to death whilst they plead for air, just because they're a felon? Depends what felony they have committed. If a mass murderer was shot by a police officer whilst resisting arrest I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. If however a 14 year old was shot stealing a toffee from the pick and mix then that's a different matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 19:16:21 GMT
So felons deserve to die? Should police suffocate them to death whilst they plead for air, just because they're a felon? I didn't say that, did I? Did the woman shot in the Capitol Building deserve to die? "No sympathy" was one comment. So why the complete reverse and full sympathy for criminals who hold guns to pregnant womans bellys, drug dealers and sexual predators when they happen to die or get injured? I see it as no-one who means no harm to another human being deserves to die but that’s the issue- intent. Maybe she wanted to break through that window and make the congress people inside a cup of tea...but given the circumstances you can’t know and so you have to shoot to kill. The same with Blake, it’s the same situation in my book, concealing his hands when the Police can’t tell what his intentions are. If you put yourself in these situations then you’re going to get hurt and it’s all on you and your decision making. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 19:19:39 GMT
So felons deserve to die? Should police suffocate them to death whilst they plead for air, just because they're a felon? I didn't say that, did I? Did the woman shot in the Capitol Building deserve to die? "No sympathy" was one comment. So why the complete reverse and full sympathy for criminals who hold guns to pregnant womans bellys, drug dealers and sexual predators when they happen to die or get injured? She wasn't pregnant. If you get simple facts wrong, it's hard to believe anything else you say is actually true. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 19:24:07 GMT
Basically what some people are asking for is the 'police' to be properly trained and competent.
Shooting a man 7 times in the back, shooting innocent bystanders and suffocating suspects is not really acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 19:29:26 GMT
Basically what some people are asking for is the 'police' to be properly trained and competent. Shooting a man 7 times in the back, shooting innocent bystanders and suffocating suspects is not really acceptable. The situation in the States is much worse than that. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 10, 2021 19:31:30 GMT
Well you seem to be quite the advocate that there shouldn't be outrage over the death of someone, because they're a felon. "Complete and utter outrage over 3 rare Incidents involving vile mass criminals" It's astonishing to not realise the difference between kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes and suffocating them to death and someone trying to breach the capitol building whilst guns are pointed and warnings shouted by secret service. Still, as long as he's a felon it doesn't matter right? I've mentioned other incidents. Breonna Taylor - Again the outrage over her death, when her boyfriend starting firing shots in the pitch Black. What should the Police of done just let him fire away? They shot back and she was caught in the cross fire. Nobody cared about those facts, they just went with the tired narrative of the Police killing innocent Black folk. Jacob Blake - The same, had a restriction order to stay away from his girlfriend because of sexual assault, went to hers, stole her vehicle with kids in the car, when stopped by the Police he was agressive and armed with a knife, he was warned several times to drop the knife, he didn't and was shot. Yet again the narrative was that Police shot an innocent Black bloke. People didn't care about these facts. Yet when a woman is shot dead in the Capitol building, it's just meh, no sympathy. Its the hypocrisy, that's all. Well great, but I haven't. I'm comparing the George Floyd death in which you seem to have no problem with due to his past. Why is that? But sure, if you want to talk about the other deaths - lets. Breonna Taylor was innocent and in bed and was accidentally killed by police in her apartment. Don't you have sympathy for her? How far does your felon rule reach, if they're involved with a felon they also deserve to die? Jacob Blake - I don't remember outrage on here at all. In fact, I don't remember the outrage on here about either of them. I remember George Floyd though, which you've just painted with the same brush. Why is that? It's pretty astonishing that you compare a rioter storming capitol building with an innocent woman at home & someone being suffocated to death on the floor. Do you honestly think the same? |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 10, 2021 19:32:37 GMT
So felons deserve to die? Should police suffocate them to death whilst they plead for air, just because they're a felon? Depends what felony they have committed. If a mass murderer was shot by a police officer whilst resisting arrest I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. If however a 14 year old was shot stealing a toffee from the pick and mix then that's a different matter. I agree. But what about George Floyd, did he deserve to die? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 10, 2021 19:33:06 GMT
So felons deserve to die? Should police suffocate them to death whilst they plead for air, just because they're a felon? I didn't say that, did I? Did the woman shot in the Capitol Building deserve to die? "No sympathy" was one comment. So why the complete reverse and full sympathy for criminals who hold guns to pregnant womans bellys, drug dealers and sexual predators when they happen to die or get injured? No sympathy was my comment. I have no sympathy for anyone sane of mind that asks to be shot then gets shot. I probably have more of an issue with innocent people being shot or even those guilty of crimes that are restrained and of no real threat to anyone at that point. If they had captured that woman and then executed her you'd find me agreeing with you but there's a distinct difference and frankly if you can't see that we will never agree. |
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Jan 10, 2021 19:33:41 GMT
Well you seem to be quite the advocate that there shouldn't be outrage over the death of someone, because they're a felon. "Complete and utter outrage over 3 rare Incidents involving vile mass criminals" It's astonishing to not realise the difference between kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes and suffocating them to death and someone trying to breach the capitol building whilst guns are pointed and warnings shouted by secret service. Still, as long as he's a felon it doesn't matter right? I've mentioned other incidents. Breonna Taylor - Again the outrage over her death, when her boyfriend starting firing shots in the pitch Black. What should the Police of done just let him fire away? They shot back and she was caught in the cross fire. Nobody cared about those facts, they just went with the tired narrative of the Police killing innocent Black folk. Jacob Blake - The same, had a restriction order to stay away from his girlfriend because of sexual assault, went to hers, stole her vehicle with kids in the car, when stopped by the Police he was agressive and armed with a knife, he was warned several times to drop the knife, he didn't and was shot. Yet again the narrative was that Police shot an innocent Black bloke. People didn't care about these facts. Yet when a woman is shot dead in the Capitol building, it's just meh, no sympathy. Its the hypocrisy, that's all. Well said. A sad loss of life simply ignored because it isn't a popular bandwagon to jump on like the george floyd fiasco |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 10, 2021 19:40:23 GMT
I've mentioned other incidents. Breonna Taylor - Again the outrage over her death, when her boyfriend starting firing shots in the pitch Black. What should the Police of done just let him fire away? They shot back and she was caught in the cross fire. Nobody cared about those facts, they just went with the tired narrative of the Police killing innocent Black folk. Jacob Blake - The same, had a restriction order to stay away from his girlfriend because of sexual assault, went to hers, stole her vehicle with kids in the car, when stopped by the Police he was agressive and armed with a knife, he was warned several times to drop the knife, he didn't and was shot. Yet again the narrative was that Police shot an innocent Black bloke. People didn't care about these facts. Yet when a woman is shot dead in the Capitol building, it's just meh, no sympathy. Its the hypocrisy, that's all. Well said. A sad loss of life simply ignored because it isn't a popular bandwagon to jump on like the george floyd fiasco How is it ignored? Its everywhere, its in all the news and we are talking about it here across the pond on a football forum. Its not ignored. What you mean is it isn't grieved in the same way or that there isn't the same outrage? If so then you are probably correct. But again that's because it was a really stupid thing to do on behalf of a cultist demigod that was obviously going to result in death. This is not a mental health case. She was able to book tickets, get on a plane and have a perfectly reasonable conversation with a stranger on that plane, get off, attend a rally and then switch on full fascist mode and storm a federal building with a mob that had a gallows erected outside. Then, whilst several agents were holed up at the last line of defence literally telling her not to advance or they would shoot, she advances and gets shot. Its not ignored but its not some awful miscarriage of justice either. What is outrageous if anything is that she got that far and her mates let her do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 19:46:03 GMT
I've mentioned other incidents. Breonna Taylor - Again the outrage over her death, when her boyfriend starting firing shots in the pitch Black. What should the Police of done just let him fire away? They shot back and she was caught in the cross fire. Nobody cared about those facts, they just went with the tired narrative of the Police killing innocent Black folk. Jacob Blake - The same, had a restriction order to stay away from his girlfriend because of sexual assault, went to hers, stole her vehicle with kids in the car, when stopped by the Police he was agressive and armed with a knife, he was warned several times to drop the knife, he didn't and was shot. Yet again the narrative was that Police shot an innocent Black bloke. People didn't care about these facts. Yet when a woman is shot dead in the Capitol building, it's just meh, no sympathy. Its the hypocrisy, that's all. Well great, but I haven't. I'm comparing the George Floyd death in which you seem to have no problem with due to his past. Why is that? But sure, if you want to talk about the other deaths - lets. Breonna Taylor was innocent and in bed and was accidentally killed by police in her apartment. Don't you have sympathy for her? How far does your felon rule reach, if they're involved with a felon they also deserve to die? Jacob Blake - I don't remember outrage on here at all. In fact, I don't remember the outrage on here about either of them. I remember George Floyd though, which you've just painted with the same brush. Why is that? It's pretty astonishing that you compare a rioter storming capitol building with an innocent woman at home & someone being suffocated to death on the floor. Do you honestly think the same? The Jacob Blake one was widely discussed elsewhere and from what I read the argument why he shouldn’t have been shot seemed very analogous to the circumstances in which the woman storming the capitol was shot and killed. There was all sorts of nonsense such as “they should have shot him in the leg and incapacitated him!!!1” like it’s an episode of 24 or something. So for me, there are a lot of left wingers who should be condemning the shooting of this woman as it’s the same logic but the logic will be twisted and turned like a Rubik’s cube to justify a totally contrary viewpoint purely because one was a racial minority and the other was an (admittedly batshit) Trump supporter. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 10, 2021 19:49:33 GMT
Well said. A sad loss of life simply ignored because it isn't a popular bandwagon to jump on like the george floyd fiasco How is it ignored? Its everywhere, its in all the news and we are talking about it here across the pond on a football forum. Its not ignored. What you mean is it isn't grieved in the same way or that there isn't the same outrage? If so then you are probably correct. But again that's because it was a really stupid thing to do on behalf of a cultist demigod that was obviously going to result in death. This is not a mental health case. She was able to book tickets, get on a plane and have a perfectly reasonable conversation with a stranger on that plane, get off, attend a rally and then switch on full fascist mode and storm a federal building with a mob that had a gallows erected outside. Then, whilst several agents were holed up at the last line of defence literally telling her not to advance or they would shoot, she advances and gets shot. Its not ignored but its not some awful miscarriage of justice either. What is outrageous if anything is that she got that far and her mates let her do it. When a black person dies during a riot, there aren't really mass protests and anger everywhere. Now, for some reason, we're trying to say that a white rioter storming the capitol building is the same as being innocently killed in your home or being suffocated to death on the floor. You can only laugh. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 10, 2021 19:53:29 GMT
Well great, but I haven't. I'm comparing the George Floyd death in which you seem to have no problem with due to his past. Why is that? But sure, if you want to talk about the other deaths - lets. Breonna Taylor was innocent and in bed and was accidentally killed by police in her apartment. Don't you have sympathy for her? How far does your felon rule reach, if they're involved with a felon they also deserve to die? Jacob Blake - I don't remember outrage on here at all. In fact, I don't remember the outrage on here about either of them. I remember George Floyd though, which you've just painted with the same brush. Why is that? It's pretty astonishing that you compare a rioter storming capitol building with an innocent woman at home & someone being suffocated to death on the floor. Do you honestly think the same? The Jacob Blake one was widely discussed elsewhere and from what I read the argument why he shouldn’t have been shot seemed very analogous to the circumstances in which the woman storming the capitol was shot and killed. There was all sorts of nonsense such as “they should have shot him in the leg and incapacitated him!!!1” like it’s an episode of 24 or something. So for me, there are a lot of left wingers who should be condemning the shooting of this woman as it’s the same logic but the logic will be twisted and turned like a Rubik’s cube to justify a totally contrary viewpoint purely because one was a racial minority and the other was an (admittedly batshit) Trump supporter. Honestly mate I don't remember any of it on this forum. Almost certainly there were stupid comments from both sides on other social media sites, but to use OB's comment of "no sympathy" as your basis for the lack lack of sympathy on this forum, then you need to apply the same rules for the death of Jacob Blake - which there was none on here. Can't have it both ways. |
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Jan 10, 2021 19:55:56 GMT
Well said. A sad loss of life simply ignored because it isn't a popular bandwagon to jump on like the george floyd fiasco How is it ignored? Its everywhere, its in all the news and we are talking about it here across the pond on a football forum. Its not ignored. What you mean is it isn't grieved in the same way or that there isn't the same outrage? If so then you are probably correct. But again that's because it was a really stupid thing to do on behalf of a cultist demigod that was obviously going to result in death. This is not a mental health case. She was able to book tickets, get on a plane and have a perfectly reasonable conversation with a stranger on that plane, get off, attend a rally and then switch on full fascist mode and storm a federal building with a mob that had a gallows erected outside. Then, whilst several agents were holed up at the last line of defence literally telling her not to advance or they would shoot, she advances and gets shot. Its not ignored but its not some awful miscarriage of justice either. What is outrageous if anything is that she got that far and her mates let her do it. Ignored may have been the wrong word but its certainly not had the same attention/reaction as the George Flyod incident. Where's the celebrity outcry over twitter, where are the endless marches and riots to follow across the world?. It would be deemed unlawful and racist if we were to march in the streets screaming white lifes matter. I hope the BLM movement are watching this unfold and realising white people die unlawfully too and tragic things like this happens to all sorts of people regardless of skin tone. Not everyone is a racist, just accept that the US allows any tom dick and harry to carry guns and thats always a recipe for disaster. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 10, 2021 19:58:39 GMT
I've mentioned other incidents. Breonna Taylor - Again the outrage over her death, when her boyfriend starting firing shots in the pitch Black. What should the Police of done just let him fire away? They shot back and she was caught in the cross fire. Nobody cared about those facts, they just went with the tired narrative of the Police killing innocent Black folk. Jacob Blake - The same, had a restriction order to stay away from his girlfriend because of sexual assault, went to hers, stole her vehicle with kids in the car, when stopped by the Police he was agressive and armed with a knife, he was warned several times to drop the knife, he didn't and was shot. Yet again the narrative was that Police shot an innocent Black bloke. People didn't care about these facts. Yet when a woman is shot dead in the Capitol building, it's just meh, no sympathy. Its the hypocrisy, that's all. Well great, but I haven't. I'm comparing the George Floyd death in which you seem to have no problem with due to his past. Why is that? But sure, if you want to talk about the other deaths - lets. Breonna Taylor was innocent and in bed and was accidentally killed by police in her apartment. Don't you have sympathy for her? How far does your felon rule reach, if they're involved with a felon they also deserve to die? Jacob Blake - I don't remember outrage on here at all. In fact, I don't remember the outrage on here about either of them. I remember George Floyd though, which you've just painted with the same brush. Why is that? It's pretty astonishing that you compare a rioter storming capitol building with an innocent woman at home & someone being suffocated to death on the floor. Do you honestly think the same? It's just the Hypocrisy. I've never once said that anybodys deserved to die or that they shouldn't get sympathy. I'm just stating that these people whether it be George Floyd, Breonna Taylor or Jacob Blake put themselves in these positions. George Floyd had commited a crime and was resisting arrest, he was struggling to breath when he was detained in the car, but he refused to stay in the car and got out, hence the Police restraining him on the floor. Breonna Taylor knew her boyfriend was a drug dealer and had fire arm offences, he fired at the Police they fired back, unfortunately she died, but it was the Police who got the brunt of it, as you well know the narrative was yet another Black victim at the hands of the Police Jacob Blake - Was waving a knife around abd was told to drop it several times before he was shot. The Woman in the Capitol Building is no different, she was a criminal who was trespassing, was asked to get down, she didn't and was shot. There is no real difference for me, also it just highlights how wrong that Twitter post was, as a White Woman was shot dead in the Capitol Building. There were also Black, Mexican and Latino people who were involved in the "Storming" of the building too. |
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