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Post by rovers69 on Oct 2, 2020 18:56:26 GMT
typical negatives comment-totally clueless
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 2, 2020 18:58:31 GMT
give it time and it will work-negatives dont want it to happen -Garner will get it right-mid table this season -top six next-its a completley new squad what do people expect-the wins will come but the negatives will always find something to complain about as thats their life We're bottom of the table and have 2 wins out of 25 under BG. Those "negatives" really are a moany bunch. Expectations clearly too high. I wouldn’t waste your breath GGMI - the bloke’s clearly a bit hard of understanding. Doesn’t get that not believing in Garner is not the same as not supporting the team/club/owner . . .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 19:10:14 GMT
Please correct me if I am wrong but interpreting your comment, I am getting that you would sack every manager who only gets us to mid table? Of course not that's ridiculous. A mid-table finish is exactly what we should be aiming for only three league games into the season. We will fin-ish twelfth say We will fin-ish twelfth! We will fin-ish twelfth say We will fin-ish twelfth! E-I-E-I-O to the middle of the football league we go. When we get to 13th this is what we'll sing: Take it easy, have a rest lads, we're alright just here! The Gas are going up (to 12th)! The Gas are going up (to 12th)! And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe uuuuusssss The Gas are going up (to 12th)! Ha ha brilliant, made me laugh but I think Nurse Ratchet should hurry up with your medication!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 2, 2020 19:10:18 GMT
rovers69's first post on 14 Feb:
Garner is the way forward but he needs the next 16 games to build for next season . GC is a one trick pony and would have taken us nowhere. Why people belived he would take us in the championship with the squad of players he had i have no idea. He rode his luck and now he's gone -his choice. Get behind Garner and the players he has brought in so far and next season we will be challenging at the top.
Deluded or what? They must be connected to BG or MS in some way?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 19:17:08 GMT
So we should always be watered off if we don't challenge for promotion, regardless of the state of our facilities and budget in relation to other clubs? Is this what you're saying? Don't get me wrong we should be ambitious, but we should also not be unrealistic. Realism is important in my view and it is not defeatist, it's simply a way of trying to have a level headed view of what our expectations should be, when all things are considered. Does that mean we should not at least aim higher? Of course not. I think if you read my posts you'll see that's the opposite of what I'm saying. It's clear that regardless of how early on in the season it is our aspiration should always be to finish in a nothing position about 10th (pushing it to be honest) to 16th. Any ideas that we might be competitive in the league we're in are stupid we need realism. We need to bumble around the bottom till Christmas and then smash a sweet sweet mid-table finish from January onwards. UTG (but not too far). I think you're beating this particular drum rather hard. Only a few people have suggested that they'd be happy with mid-table and I'm not one of them but you must recognise that from our current position we need to rise up the table and pass through mid-table in order to get to greater heights. If there's another way of reaching the top without first enjoying (sic) mid-table then I'm not aware of it. Please advise if you know differently.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 19:26:52 GMT
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but for me at least, I'm not saying our aspiration should be to finish 10th to 16th. I'm saying that is my expectation. In my mind, aspirations and expectations are two very different things, but perhaps these are getting confused on here. I personally would aspire to become a mill-yun-aire by next year a la Del Boy, but do I expect to become one? No. This time next year if I've done alright for myself, achieved what I expected, but not what I aspired for, then I wouldn't be too disappointed. Same goes for the Gas. I do agree with you that we should aspire to finish top 6, hell if we're aspiring why not aspire to finish top of the league? However, that aspiration comes together with a realism that I do not expect us to finish top 6, so I would not be throwing my toys out of the pram and demanding change if we finished, say, 10th. It might not be exciting, but that wouldn't be a disaster for a club of our current stature. Finally, as my expectation is to at least finish midtable, I am in no way making excuses for our poor performances and results so far this season. It is not good enough and the manager has been performing way way below par. I think that mindset drives performance in sport. That's pretty much universally accepted now. I think the mindset of a professional sports team is built from within the club. I think we as a club have gone through a few decades of the same churn (barring pretty much 14-16 but they can only be regarded as success in the sense of someone coming back from injury). I think that has lead us to a sleep walking state in terms of what our expectations should be. We should expect to be competitive. We should expect to see battle, effort and the occasional bit of good play. Why shouldn't we? Why do we have to have three months of excuses for not getting that at the start of every season? I'm basically cribbing from an interview I heard from Ollie in 96. I think he was right and I think it's still true. His exact words were something like "the players have to learn the season doesn't start in January". We should call out crap for what it is - we are so ready to make excuses; Luke James will come good, Tom Nichols has a magic football wishing well in his garden, Andy Williams scored one good goal against Southampton let's give him another chance. Daryl Duffy is a secret football genius. Robbie Ryan has the most dreams about making tackles. You might aspire to be a millionaire but are you in a job that within 46 working days you might be one? I bet you'd believe it could happen if you were wouldn't you? You wouldn't say, "I'll see where I am in 10 days time before I worry about that" would you? The team are 46 workdays away from winning the league at the start of the season. Just 69 hours in fact. cue Marshy....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 19:28:59 GMT
The negatives wont go away-they will whinge and moan and claim they know best -but at least Garner is here for two seasons to prove them wrong and send them back into the abiss from where they crawled. Happy Days UTG Perhaps you can list the positives please. Donald Trump is positive. Biden though is negative.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 2, 2020 19:34:20 GMT
Ben Garner/Training Ground/Academy Set Up/New Ground to come/Talented group of young players who want to learn and back BG/Trump has got Covid First one is a pretty damn big negative from my perspective.
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Post by gruad on Oct 2, 2020 19:39:45 GMT
His delivery is lugubrious and soporific. Haha are you Sleepy Joe Biden in disguise!
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 19:51:36 GMT
I think if you read my posts you'll see that's the opposite of what I'm saying. It's clear that regardless of how early on in the season it is our aspiration should always be to finish in a nothing position about 10th (pushing it to be honest) to 16th. Any ideas that we might be competitive in the league we're in are stupid we need realism. We need to bumble around the bottom till Christmas and then smash a sweet sweet mid-table finish from January onwards. UTG (but not too far). I think you're beating this particular drum rather hard. Only a few people have suggested that they'd be happy with mid-table and I'm not one of them but you must recognise that from our current position we need to rise up the table and pass through mid-table in order to get to greater heights. If there's another way of reaching the top without first enjoying (sic) mid-table then I'm not aware of it. Please advise if you know differently. I don't think Rovers69 when he says "mid-table this season" is saying that we'll be in mid-table at some point this season. It's pretty obvious their aim is mid-table this season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 19:55:55 GMT
Garner in his interview says that he has faith in these players, the question is do they have faith in him, it doesn't look like it so far, is that why he cleared out the senior pro's because they asked to many questions of his formations and tactics. His comments on key decisions going against him and the team and a game of fine margins is ridiculous, you make your own luck by having a good go at whatever team your up against. I fell off my chair when he said there were positives following the Doncaster defeat, we got spannered 4-1, what's positive about that and as for the Byron Anthony comment about he wasn't sure what role he would play at the club was embarrassing. Then he mentioned his past Premier League involvement, Keith Curle sums him up in his Northampton Town pre match interview today referring to Garner as Crystal Palace academy coach Gary Issott's assistant academy coach. How the hell having being unemployed for 7 months after Calcutta did we land upon him as manager, what were is credentials that stood out above other candidates (were there any) surely on job interview someone must have detected Garner sounded like a hospital anesthetist just before he asks you to count to 10 and gives you a jab to put you to sleep. 8 games this month, a tall order for Garner and a young inexperienced team with him as manager battling not only the opposition but the elements as well. This theme that we have signed young players because they will not question his tactics etc is unfair and simply not true in my view. Wael/garner want to create a young team that can improve for better or worse. Any manager at any club sets out how he wants his team and individual players to play and professional footballers follow those instructions regardless of age or they will not be around very long. I really cannot imagine all those senior players questioning coughlan's tactics and formations during his time as manager. Garner has been a total disaster so far but its a club strategy to sign younger players which garner is a part of. The problem is not the age of the players its that so far this season they have failed to get results. Ps I played under ex rovers player dave stone for a time in the western league and there is no way on earth any of us would question his tactics and formations. I could say to him that i was uncomfortable playing on the left-wing and he would explain his reasons but no way would anyone question his tactics and formation and the same applies to any manager worth his salt at any level.
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 20:51:02 GMT
The Negatives are small in number and not true gas heads. Achievements of Garner will be mid table this season and top six next. The negatives will turn and become positives and then start to complain that we need to keep BG as Championships come in for him. Are you sure next season you won't just be telling us to wait for next season like you were last season? Garner will turn it around despite the negativity of the armchair supporters. Garner now has around 16 say pre season games to build a squad that will challenge for promotion next season and play decent football Get behind Garner and the players he has brought in so far and next season we will be challenging at the top.Or like in February you were telling us to wait till March? This has to be the most ridiculous thread ever posted We need to support him and make sure we stay in this division, By End of March beginning of April hopefully we will see what he has achieved and carrying on building for 20/21Get behind him and not with a knife UTG
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Post by giles on Oct 2, 2020 21:02:03 GMT
Got to be honest I just watched the press conference just to get my own take on it and it is no way near as bad as people are saying. Whilst he has the charisma of a wet towel, and wouldn’t inspire me to tie my shoe laces, I didn’t see anything to suggest he is going anywhere or massive disrespect for the club. Dull as dishwater though, zero enthusiasm. If we really haven’t had conversations then why the hell not? DC and GC used to comment how close they interacted with Wael /Starnes so why isn’t that happening with the form we are in? Regards Byron Anthony on one hand it’s credible his explanation, on the other hand you really would expect him to have better oversight of what’s going on at youth level. Again, DC and GC used to make an effort to interact with the kids and see how they’re getting on. Whilst it’s understandable they can’t do things in the same way now you’d expect him to have more interaction and oversight even if he can’t do that with his own presence. With regards Byron Anthony we need to remember that he is working part time with the under 14s not running the academy. Would we expect the first team manager to know about all the part time or voluntary academy staff? There has not even been an official announcement of the appointment
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Oct 2, 2020 21:34:19 GMT
The Negatives are small in number and not true gas heads. Achievements of Garner will be mid table this season and top six next. The negatives will turn and become positives and then start to complain that we need to keep BG as Championships come in for him. Are you sure next season you won't just be telling us to wait for next season like you were last season? Garner will turn it around despite the negativity of the armchair supporters. Garner now has around 16 say pre season games to build a squad that will challenge for promotion next season and play decent football Get behind Garner and the players he has brought in so far and next season we will be challenging at the top.Or like in February you were telling us to wait till March? This has to be the most ridiculous thread ever posted We need to support him and make sure we stay in this division, By End of March beginning of April hopefully we will see what he has achieved and carrying on building for 20/21Get behind him and not with a knife UTG If he’s not a shithead wind up merchant he must be Ben Garner himself right?
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 21:41:57 GMT
Are you sure next season you won't just be telling us to wait for next season like you were last season? Or like in February you were telling us to wait till March? If he’s not a shithead wind up merchant he must be Ben Garner himself right? Whoever he is he's certainly very hopeful. He just keeps changing what he's hopeful for.
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Post by yetigas on Oct 2, 2020 21:43:09 GMT
Same interview from BG every week. The question about Have the board had much to say about the start of the season? I would take with a pinch of salt as he's hardly going to say "Yeah they're giving me 3 more games to save my job" Also the question about feeling the pressure from the outside. He must be feeling it and must read up on what fans are saying. Surprises me that he doesnt apologise or reassure the fans specifically. Same interview? Must have been same questions then...what on earth do you expect him to say. I just listened to the interview and he answered all the questions honestly and to the point. If you and other want to find fault in BG then frankly it doesn't matter what he says, you are going to criticize. And why on earth would BG read what the fans are saying? Of course the guy feels pressure - he said so in the interview. I dont think he could say anything to reassure the negatives in here frankly - out of interest, what would you have liked him to say that he didn't?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 21:48:28 GMT
The players do have faith in him. He has senior pro's in the leadership group - would he do this if he was afraid of them asking too many questions? Maybe he trusts Chris Hargreaves enough to give him autonomy when it comes to hiring part-time coaching staff for the younger age groups? Chris is aware of the style of play the club want to develop, so he will make sure any appointed staff meet the overall brief. Can you list the senior pros in the first team outfield players on Saturday i.e. players over 28? I make it just Ehmer and he's the captain so he's unlikely to challenge anything BG wants the players to do. Sorry, I don't see the connection between who is in the leadership group and outfield players over 28 who may be in the squad tomorrow. We already know that two of the senior players are out injured - Little and Rodman.
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Post by yetigas on Oct 2, 2020 21:50:14 GMT
Initially I read the pre match conference and just watched the video. Turned it off after 47 seconds.. He sounds defeated, dejected, can't be bothered and already seems like he can't do much more. The only positive for him is that he's managing at a fan-less Memorial Stadium, because if he was to lose tomorrow with fans there, I wouldn't like to be in his shoes. and if we win, will you be happy and come on here singing BG's praises?
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Post by yetigas on Oct 2, 2020 21:57:11 GMT
Any last doubts I had that we are better off without him are now gone after that pathetic pre match brief. Balanced a little by the awful amateur from the BBC asking truly crap questions. I have lost any final respect I had for him - Bore Off Garner! No idea - No passion - Clearly no man management skills
Embarrassing that he is running (or should that be ruining) the match day experience. I think I will be doing something else tomorrow afternoon - first time I have thought that in a long while. What on earth is your evidence for that?
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Post by yetigas on Oct 2, 2020 22:07:03 GMT
Perhaps you can list the positives please. This thread proves that there are people who truly believe that wishful thinking is all that is needed for everything to be fantastic with the world. Don’t need ability, substance, intelligence or even basic competence to succeed, only wishful thinking is needed and the ability to slag off people who aren’t also so simple minded. It’s the way of the world these days. And there are plenty who think that whinging, moaning, and complaining is going to make things fantastic with the world. Even worse, they think that they have intelligence. I guess we all just have different outlooks in life!
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