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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 22:10:00 GMT
Dont like the bloke, didnt listen but wish him luck tomorrow for the 3 points. Utg
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Post by Squiffy on Oct 3, 2020 0:33:36 GMT
Yes. That’s about where I am. I didn’t expect promotion and it’s too early for any club after only 3 games but I do want a competitive team and I expect to finish mid table with the squad we’ve assembled. Were he a new manager this season we wouldn’t be having this thread but we’re having it because the results are similar to those throughout 2020. Football is a results business and we aren’t getting the right ones at the moment. He needs to do better as do the team on which he will be judged. UTG! We’ve only lost two games so far which is better than Liverpool last season who lost three...just saying. 😉
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Post by socrates on Oct 3, 2020 1:18:21 GMT
The negatives wont go away-they will whinge and moan and claim they know best -but at least Garner is here for two seasons to prove them wrong and send them back into the abiss from where they crawled. Happy Days UTG Something really really smells..... Has someone stepped on dog sh** ?
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Post by socrates on Oct 3, 2020 1:20:29 GMT
We're bottom of the table and have 2 wins out of 25 under BG. Those "negatives" really are a moany bunch. Expectations clearly too high. I wouldn’t waste your breath GGMI - the bloke’s clearly a bit hard of understanding. Doesn’t get that not believing in Garner is not the same as not supporting the team/club/owner . . . I can understand how Gas might say give him a few more games but this guy is either Garners mum or a shithead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 1:37:13 GMT
Maybe it’s just me because I haven’t seen anyone else pick up on this but I found it interesting how he placed all the emphasis on the players. “I’ve got faith in the players”, “I know they will come good” like it’s all their fault. Imo he should be saying “I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us”. As a PP mentioned he continually fails to address the elephant in the room which is his win ratio. He should be trying to re-assure fans that *he* is the man for the job, not that the players are the players for the job.
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Post by yetigas on Oct 3, 2020 5:39:41 GMT
Maybe it’s just me because I haven’t seen anyone else pick up on this but I found it interesting how he placed all the emphasis on the players. “I’ve got faith in the players”, “I know they will come good” like it’s all their fault. Imo he should be saying “I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us”. As a PP mentioned he continually fails to address the elephant in the room which is his win ratio. He should be trying to re-assure fans that *he* is the man for the job, not that the players are the players for the job. Of course the emphasis is on the players...they are the ones on the pitch. If he came out and said '“I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us” then all the usual suspects on here would be laughing, calling him deluded blah blah blah. The thing is, it doesn't actually matter what BG says - you and others would find the negatives straight away.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2020 6:01:09 GMT
Can you list the senior pros in the first team outfield players on Saturday i.e. players over 28? I make it just Ehmer and he's the captain so he's unlikely to challenge anything BG wants the players to do. Sorry, I don't see the connection between who is in the leadership group and outfield players over 28 who may be in the squad tomorrow. We already know that two of the senior players are out injured - Little and Rodman. The point was there's no senior pros left at the club, the ones still here are all out injured, so they can't be giving the younger players any guidance. I honestly can't remember a time when we were in such poor shape as a team, a manager seemingly out if his depth and a squad with little league experience.
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Post by RD on Oct 3, 2020 6:03:19 GMT
Maybe it’s just me because I haven’t seen anyone else pick up on this but I found it interesting how he placed all the emphasis on the players. “I’ve got faith in the players”, “I know they will come good” like it’s all their fault. Imo he should be saying “I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us”. As a PP mentioned he continually fails to address the elephant in the room which is his win ratio. He should be trying to re-assure fans that *he* is the man for the job, not that the players are the players for the job. Of course the emphasis is on the players...they are the ones on the pitch. If he came out and said '“I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us” then all the usual suspects on here would be laughing, calling him deluded blah blah blah. The thing is, it doesn't actually matter what BG says - you and others would find the negatives straight away. Not like we go looking for them. They're plain to see. Worst manager in our history. FACT.
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Post by RD on Oct 3, 2020 6:03:55 GMT
Maybe it’s just me because I haven’t seen anyone else pick up on this but I found it interesting how he placed all the emphasis on the players. “I’ve got faith in the players”, “I know they will come good” like it’s all their fault. Imo he should be saying “I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us”. As a PP mentioned he continually fails to address the elephant in the room which is his win ratio. He should be trying to re-assure fans that *he* is the man for the job, not that the players are the players for the job. Superb post - great point. Continues to pass the buck. Nothing to do with his ability, entirely down to the players.
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Post by althepirate on Oct 3, 2020 7:07:13 GMT
Maybe it’s just me because I haven’t seen anyone else pick up on this but I found it interesting how he placed all the emphasis on the players. “I’ve got faith in the players”, “I know they will come good” like it’s all their fault. Imo he should be saying “I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us”. As a PP mentioned he continually fails to address the elephant in the room which is his win ratio. He should be trying to re-assure fans that *he* is the man for the job, not that the players are the players for the job. Mourinho school of management.
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Post by Fat Albert on Oct 3, 2020 7:53:03 GMT
Problem is any answer given in an interview is done in a split second. Then people on here spend hours dissecting every word of every sentence.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Oct 3, 2020 8:48:20 GMT
Problem is any answer given in an interview is done in a split second. Then people on here spend hours dissecting every word of every sentence. UTG That’s a fair point BUT Garner has never taken responsibility for any defeat in his interviews. It’s not necessarily the actual words he uses it’s more the message he wants people to hear.
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Post by horfield on Oct 3, 2020 8:53:12 GMT
Garner must be aware what might be coming his way in an interview, he's lucky nobody asks him about his record, he just isn't up to it because he hasn't been there before. He never blames himself either in an interview, always the players didn't listen to him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 9:04:34 GMT
Maybe it’s just me because I haven’t seen anyone else pick up on this but I found it interesting how he placed all the emphasis on the players. “I’ve got faith in the players”, “I know they will come good” like it’s all their fault. Imo he should be saying “I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us”. As a PP mentioned he continually fails to address the elephant in the room which is his win ratio. He should be trying to re-assure fans that *he* is the man for the job, not that the players are the players for the job. Of course the emphasis is on the players...they are the ones on the pitch. If he came out and said '“I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us” then all the usual suspects on here would be laughing, calling him deluded blah blah blah. The thing is, it doesn't actually matter what BG says - you and others would find the negatives straight away. The onus is on him. I don’t have to look hard to find the negatives- he can’t win an effing game to save his life, not even against opposition from the league below. This is to the point that people have to write games off for him “you can’t count cup games, nor the first three league games because they are too tough for him” etc. Those games Would have bloody well counted if he had won them, of course. You lot are great at finding excuses but not so great at highlighting any positives so you’ll have to help me find them because being bottom of the league with a solitary point is about as bad as it gets. It’s time the man put his big girls panties on and told us what he intends to tweak to put it right not that the players will step up eventually. As Einstein said: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”
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Post by Fat Albert on Oct 3, 2020 9:25:05 GMT
Just an observation but where people are reading “I know the players will come good” as suggesting they’re not performing and it’s all their fault. He may just mean I believe in them and I know they are good enough.
Just depends how you interpret things I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 9:31:48 GMT
Just an observation but where people are reading “I know the players will come good” as suggesting they’re not performing and it’s all their fault. He may just mean I believe in them and I know they are good enough. Just depends how you interpret things I suppose. UTG It is interpretation, but as others have said it’s conspicuous how Ben has never come out in an interview and just plainly said “yeah I didn’t set the team up right there” or admitted he needs to address some things personally. He has indulged in some absolute leaps of the imagination though to blame the drive to Portman road and covid and the referee for a 4-1 defeat so when you take that into account and hear him express the belief that the players will come good it all sounds like more ways for him to avoid confronting the fact that he was 2 wins from 24 and the one common denominator in those 24 games is not the players, not the same referee, not the distance to the away teams’s ground, hell it’s not even covid! The ONE common denominator is HIM. We know it, he must surely know it, but he refuses to address it and it smacks of cowardice especially when you compare him to DC and GC who held their hands up and took the rap for rubbish on the pitch. Recall DC saying the one piece of advice he would give his younger self is “be honest with the fans”? I don’t think Garner has ever been truly honest with us the moment he started losing and whilst us fans are rightly watered off with the defeats I think we would be more inclined to give him a break if he actually took some bloody responsibility. Just once!
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 3, 2020 9:39:21 GMT
Maybe it’s just me because I haven’t seen anyone else pick up on this but I found it interesting how he placed all the emphasis on the players. “I’ve got faith in the players”, “I know they will come good” like it’s all their fault. Imo he should be saying “I’ve got faith in my own abilities and it will all click for us”. As a PP mentioned he continually fails to address the elephant in the room which is his win ratio. He should be trying to re-assure fans that *he* is the man for the job, not that the players are the players for the job. Different players but same result. The only constant in this shocking run of results is the gaffer.
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 3, 2020 9:43:32 GMT
Just an observation but where people are reading “I know the players will come good” as suggesting they’re not performing and it’s all their fault. He may just mean I believe in them and I know they are good enough. Just depends how you interpret things I suppose. UTG It is interpretation, but as others have said it’s conspicuous how Ben has never come out in an interview and just plainly said “yeah I didn’t set the team up right there” or admitted he needs to address some things personally. He has indulged in some absolute leaps of the imagination though to blame the drive to Portman road and covid and the referee for a 4-1 defeat so when you take that into account and hear him express the belief that the players will come good it all sounds like more ways for him to avoid confronting the fact that he was 2 wins from 24 and the one common denominator in those 24 games is not the players, not the same referee, not the distance to the away teams’s ground, hell it’s not even covid! The ONE common denominator is HIM. We know it, he must surely know it, but he refuses to address it and it smacks of cowardice especially when you compare him to DC and GC who held their hands up and took the rap for rubbish on the pitch. Recall DC saying the one piece of advice he would give his younger self is “be honest with the fans”? I don’t think Garner has ever been truly honest with us the moment he started losing and whilst us fans are rightly watered off with the defeats I think we would be more inclined to give him a break if he actually took some bloody responsibility. Just once! What worries me is that The Manager has a new coach come into the club yet he has no idea what he is going to do and his biggest on field issue is we play one up front,this gives the opposition defence so much time to play through us we are constantly under pressure.
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Post by LJG on Oct 3, 2020 9:47:44 GMT
Fair play the bloke has been a sh** manager so far but I hate all this Cracker-style pop psychology reading between the lines of what people say bullshit. That's just Spanish inquisition witch hunt type stuff.
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Post by rovers69 on Oct 3, 2020 9:54:32 GMT
Morning to all Negatives-i am sure you are looking forward to another defeat so you can rant your vemon on BG later. For the ones who call me a shithead suggest you look in the mirror -you have a problem wth yourselves not me. See you in the Wellington for a beer one day hopefully. UTG
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