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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2020 13:04:36 GMT
Do I? In your heads maybe, but an 80 seat majority suggests otherwise. Your moped is running low on troll juice. What the F. are you on about? If you want something useful to do, ask your Commie mate Oldie about Harriet Harman. He’s gone strangely quiet on the subject. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2020 13:08:33 GMT
See there you go again “it could have been handled better but...” You minimise and deflect for the Tories but you maximise for Labour. I wish you would just hold the Tories to the same standard as Labour. You criticise Labour for wasting money yet you look the other way when billions are spent on *nothing*. And you wonder why no-one takes you seriously? Try opening both eyes mate and hold both parties to the *same* standards. Unlike you with the Tories I’ve got no problem holding Blair to account for the crap that he did. Child benefit for migrants with children abroad is a ridiculous policy and I’ve no time for that at all. What I will say though, is for all the money that was lost on that exercise do you think it adds up to billions like the failed test and trace? You’re acting like you’ve just dropped a bottle of vintage 1700s wine and a bottle of milk and you’re more angry that you’ve dropped the milk. It’s ridiculous. And I’ve answered your question about an imaginary Labour government above, so now who is the one who is not reading replies? Pots and kettles old boy. What response do you have to the situation where our PM was ridiculed by the EU; as was his successor, and why on earth were you wanting to remain in an organisation that humiliates this country in that way? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2020 13:12:22 GMT
Do I? In your heads maybe, but an 80 seat majority suggests otherwise. Robbie Williams sold millions and millions of records in the U.K. does that make him one of the best singers of all time? What on earth is that supposed to mean. What a stupid, vacuous comparison. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2020 13:12:32 GMT
Your moped is running low on troll juice. What the F. are you on about? If you want something useful to do, ask your Commie mate Oldie about Harriet Harman. He’s gone strangely quiet on the subject. Presumably you missed my response on that last night. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2020 13:14:15 GMT
What the F. are you on about? If you want something useful to do, ask your Commie mate Oldie about Harriet Harman. He’s gone strangely quiet on the subject. Presumably you missed my response on that last night. You're right, I don’t remember anywhere you asking him about that. And I’m pretty certain the above request was made to someone else. What are you, a double act? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2020 13:16:46 GMT
See there you go again “it could have been handled better but...” You minimise and deflect for the Tories but you maximise for Labour. I wish you would just hold the Tories to the same standard as Labour. You criticise Labour for wasting money yet you look the other way when billions are spent on *nothing*. And you wonder why no-one takes you seriously? Try opening both eyes mate and hold both parties to the *same* standards. Unlike you with the Tories I’ve got no problem holding Blair to account for the crap that he did. Child benefit for migrants with children abroad is a ridiculous policy and I’ve no time for that at all. What I will say though, is for all the money that was lost on that exercise do you think it adds up to billions like the failed test and trace? You’re acting like you’ve just dropped a bottle of vintage 1700s wine and a bottle of milk and you’re more angry that you’ve dropped the milk. It’s ridiculous. And I’ve answered your question about an imaginary Labour government above, so now who is the one who is not reading replies? Pots and kettles old boy. What response do you have to the situation where our PM was ridiculed by the EU; as was his successor, and why on earth were you wanting to remain in an organisation that humiliates this country in that way? Those PMs did a good enough job of it themselves, trying to sound assertive for the Eurosceptic wing whilst retaining the Europhile wing. It was always about uniting the Conservative Party. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 27, 2020 13:18:16 GMT
Pots and kettles old boy. What response do you have to the situation where our PM was ridiculed by the EU; as was his successor, and why on earth were you wanting to remain in an organisation that humiliates this country in that way? Those PMs did a good enough job of it themselves, trying to sound assertive for the Eurosceptic wing whilst retaining the Europhile wing. It was always about uniting the Conservative Party. How did that go? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 13:18:29 GMT
Robbie Williams sold millions and millions of records in the U.K. does that make him one of the best singers of all time? What on earth is that supposed to mean. What a stupid, vacuous comparison. That popularity is hardly is hardly the hallmark of quality. Quite often it’s the opposite in fact |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2020 13:19:55 GMT
Presumably you missed my response on that last night. You're right, I don’t remember anywhere you asking him about that. And I’m pretty certain the above request was made to someone else. What are you, a double act? No, not at all. But unless you are trollng or couldn't answer because it undermined your own point, you could have done me the courtesy of acknowledging. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 27, 2020 13:20:12 GMT
What on earth is that supposed to mean. What a stupid, vacuous comparison. That popularity is hardly is hardly the hallmark of quality. Quite often it’s the opposite in fact Christiano Ronaldo might have something to say about that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 13:21:46 GMT
See there you go again “it could have been handled better but...” You minimise and deflect for the Tories but you maximise for Labour. I wish you would just hold the Tories to the same standard as Labour. You criticise Labour for wasting money yet you look the other way when billions are spent on *nothing*. And you wonder why no-one takes you seriously? Try opening both eyes mate and hold both parties to the *same* standards. Unlike you with the Tories I’ve got no problem holding Blair to account for the crap that he did. Child benefit for migrants with children abroad is a ridiculous policy and I’ve no time for that at all. What I will say though, is for all the money that was lost on that exercise do you think it adds up to billions like the failed test and trace? You’re acting like you’ve just dropped a bottle of vintage 1700s wine and a bottle of milk and you’re more angry that you’ve dropped the milk. It’s ridiculous. And I’ve answered your question about an imaginary Labour government above, so now who is the one who is not reading replies? Pots and kettles old boy. What response do you have to the situation where our PM was ridiculed by the EU; as was his successor, and why on earth were you wanting to remain in an organisation that humiliates this country in that way? Yeah why let them do it to us when we can do it to ourselves? We will fail long before the EU does. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 13:22:53 GMT
That popularity is hardly is hardly the hallmark of quality. Quite often it’s the opposite in fact Christiano Ronaldo might have something to say about that. Footballing talent is rather less subjective than artistic or political talent. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2020 13:23:17 GMT
Those PMs did a good enough job of it themselves, trying to sound assertive for the Eurosceptic wing whilst retaining the Europhile wing. It was always about uniting the Conservative Party. How did that go? Party united with a large majority. Job done. Country? Who cares. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 13:23:45 GMT
Is it really worth engaging with this guy? I like trying to understand the thought process and where the lack of empathy comes from, but it really is noticeable how wedded you the ideology they all are. To me, I just can’t understand how they can be so concerned about wastage in the benefits system which, whilst obviously not right, can’t be costing anywhere near as much as the blatant taking from the public purse at the highest level through contract shenanigans. How can they fail to condemn that? The strongest I’ve seen from francegas Eric and the like was oldgas just then with “yeah it’s not good but...” followed by more deflection. It’s staggering how the Tories fail to be held to account. They are like a cult. David Koresh could learn a thing or two from Tory ideology. Yes I get that. But in reality he just responds with a series of simplistic tropes, straight out of the garbage can of idiotic media headlines. Let me pick you up on something you opined upon. That is benefit recipients are, I paraphrase, happy to sit back and take the benefits rather than seek work. You and I discussed the impact of the shortage of affordable housing in the UK. With that in mind I think you might agree that the lower the income bracket the higher the % of said income goes on housing costs, including council tax. I maybe out of date here so pick me up if so. But the last time I was still employing people (December 2017) this was a huge issue. Staff were a mixture of full and part time. Where they were single income households they could not afford to pay private sector rents, but as long as they worked under 16 hours they were eligible for rent support and council tax relief. The result was I was always short of staff. It's perverse. The stupid thing is that tax supported housing benefit ended up in private sector pockets, often limited companies who could seek to minimise tax. It's the economics of the madhouse. Far better we took our tax funds, built houses, boosted employment, increased demand by doing so which in itself increases tax revenues. Less benefit cost, more tax income and assets that last a century whilst themselves generating income into the public coffers. So instead of the BS spouted by the village idiot and to some degree by Gastafari on here, we should be pointing a finger at the abject incompetence at the heart of Government (of whatever party). Whilst I have no doubt there is fraud, stupidity and rank ignorance amongst benefit claimants, the real blame lies elsewhere. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2020 13:36:23 GMT
Pots and kettles old boy. What response do you have to the situation where our PM was ridiculed by the EU; as was his successor, and why on earth were you wanting to remain in an organisation that humiliates this country in that way? Those PMs did a good enough job of it themselves, trying to sound assertive for the Eurosceptic wing whilst retaining the Europhile wing. It was always about uniting the Conservative Party. It can be safely assumed you are quite happy to remain inside an authoritative regime that’s intent on taking the sovereignty of every nation and imposing it’s own regime on them. I suppose one shouldn’t expect anything else from a Marxist, in Marxists Corner. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2020 13:37:23 GMT
Pots and kettles old boy. What response do you have to the situation where our PM was ridiculed by the EU; as was his successor, and why on earth were you wanting to remain in an organisation that humiliates this country in that way? Yeah why let them do it to us when we can do it to ourselves? We will fail long before the EU does. You will eat your words when this is all settled. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 27, 2020 13:38:35 GMT
Those PMs did a good enough job of it themselves, trying to sound assertive for the Eurosceptic wing whilst retaining the Europhile wing. It was always about uniting the Conservative Party. It can be safely assumed you are quite happy to remain inside an authoritative regime that’s intent on taking the sovereignty of every nation and imposing it’s own regime on them. I suppose one shouldn’t expect anything else from a Marxist, in Marxists Corner. Who took us in? |
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Post by baggins on Oct 27, 2020 13:39:58 GMT
Yeah why let them do it to us when we can do it to ourselves? We will fail long before the EU does. You will eat your words when this is all settled. It is settled. They're progressing, we're going backwards. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2020 13:43:36 GMT
I like trying to understand the thought process and where the lack of empathy comes from, but it really is noticeable how wedded you the ideology they all are. To me, I just can’t understand how they can be so concerned about wastage in the benefits system which, whilst obviously not right, can’t be costing anywhere near as much as the blatant taking from the public purse at the highest level through contract shenanigans. How can they fail to condemn that? The strongest I’ve seen from francegas Eric and the like was oldgas just then with “yeah it’s not good but...” followed by more deflection. It’s staggering how the Tories fail to be held to account. They are like a cult. David Koresh could learn a thing or two from Tory ideology. Yes I get that. But in reality he just responds with a series of simplistic tropes, straight out of the garbage can of idiotic media headlines. Let me pick you up on something you opined upon. That is benefit recipients are, I paraphrase, happy to sit back and take the benefits rather than seek work. You and I discussed the impact of the shortage of affordable housing in the UK. With that in mind I think you might agree that the lower the income bracket the higher the % of said income goes on housing costs, including council tax. I maybe out of date here so pick me up if so. But the last time I was still employing people (December 2017) this was a huge issue. Staff were a mixture of full and part time. Where they were single income households they could not afford to pay private sector rents, but as long as they worked under 16 hours they were eligible for rent support and council tax relief. The result was I was always short of staff. It's perverse. The stupid thing is that tax supported housing benefit ended up in private sector pockets, often limited companies who could seek to minimise tax. It's the economics of the madhouse. Far better we took our tax funds, built houses, boosted employment, increased demand by doing so which in itself increases tax revenues. Less benefit cost, more tax income and assets that last a century whilst themselves generating income into the public coffers. So instead of the BS spouted by the village idiot and to some degree by Gastafari on here, we should be pointing a finger at the abject incompetence at the heart of Government (of whatever party). Whilst I have no doubt there is fraud, stupidity and rank ignorance amongst benefit claimants, the real blame lies elsewhere. Look who’s surfaced. What happened, couldn’t you find a suitable repost in your store of Guardian articles? Of course, it’s always someone else's fault in the Marxist world. Harriet Harman? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2020 13:45:55 GMT
It can be safely assumed you are quite happy to remain inside an authoritative regime that’s intent on taking the sovereignty of every nation and imposing it’s own regime on them. I suppose one shouldn’t expect anything else from a Marxist, in Marxists Corner. Who took us in? Edward Heath. A fool in his lifetime who believed the lies of people like DeGaulle. Don't you remember how hard Labour campaigned to keep us out, then campaigned to take us out? Whats happened to Labour since, I wonder? |
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