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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 25, 2020 11:31:56 GMT
By popular demand we now have a Marxist corner. Feel free to post your annotated manifestos and general commentary on proletariat vs bourgeoisie shenanigans.
Don't forget to join our weekly unionised quiz night. Subsidised entry of course and a free reg flag prize to any team getting 'Full Marx'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 11:42:28 GMT
By popular demand we now have a Marxist corner. Feel free to post your annotated manifestos and general commentary on proletariat vs bourgeoisie shenanigans. Don't forget to join our weekly unionised quiz night. Subsidised entry of course and a free reg flag prize to any team getting 'Full Marx'. đ±đđ Free beer and sandwiches? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 12:14:39 GMT
There is a real fear of Marxism/communism/socialism in this country with very little respect for socialist policies that have worked well particularly the NHS and the socialist policies that have rescued us from the numerous times when free market capitalism has failed (most recently because of CV, then 2008, state interference to prop up house prices etc). By contrast I donât recall free market capitalism saving the USSR from the fall of communism in the early 90s, where the few got rich and the rest were plunged into even more poverty than they already were.
Neither system is perfect and some mix is needed. Itâs scary though the lack of any balance that seems to be espoused by those on the right wing. They love free healthcare but they will not admit as much, nor admit as much when they benefit personally from the state and socialist policies. When others benefit however they are quick to denounce the involvement of the state and the âwasteâ of their tax payer money (how much of which they avoided paying is a pertinent question).
As always, socialism for the well off is perfectly acceptable yet is an evil that will not speak itâs name whilst socialism for the poor is a disgrace and they should be left to die.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 12:24:36 GMT
"Our enquiry is not after that which is perfect, well knowing that no such thing is found among men; but we seek that human Constitution which is attended with the least, or the most pardonable inconveniences"
Algernon Sidney
Discourses Concerning Government
London 1698.
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Post by baggins on Oct 25, 2020 12:27:30 GMT
"Our enquiry is not after that which is perfect, well knowing that no such thing is found among men; but we seek that human Constitution which is attended with the least, or the most pardonable inconveniences" Algernon Sidney Discourses Concerning Government London 1698. What? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 12:48:33 GMT
"Our enquiry is not after that which is perfect, well knowing that no such thing is found among men; but we seek that human Constitution which is attended with the least, or the most pardonable inconveniences" Algernon Sidney Discourses Concerning Government London 1698. What? Tut tut. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 25, 2020 12:54:57 GMT
Yea I know, combination of a few beers, poor education and general lack of intelligence. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 13:11:11 GMT
Yea I know, combination of a few beers, poor education and general lack of intelligence. Ha ha The quote comes from the book "The Constitution of Liberty" by Hayek The Definitive Edition, edited by Ronald Hamowy, The University of Chicago Press 2011. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 25, 2020 13:16:58 GMT
Yea I know, combination of a few beers, poor education and general lack of intelligence. Ha ha The quote comes from the book "The Constitution of Liberty" by Hayek The Definitive Edition, edited by Ronald Hamowy, The University of Chicago Press 2011. Oh that. Not enough pictures for me I found. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2020 14:42:50 GMT
I wonder how many right wingers refused to take the benefits hand out that was the furlough scheme ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 15:50:20 GMT
I wonder how many right wingers refused to take the benefits hand out that was the furlough scheme ? No no no, when will you learn?! Socialism is perfectly acceptable when itâs you and only you that benefits. When it benefits other people or, even worse, when it benefits the poor, then itâs despicable.. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 25, 2020 16:05:13 GMT
I wonder how many right wingers refused to take the benefits hand out that was the furlough scheme ? No no no, when will you learn?! Socialism is perfectly acceptable when itâs you and only you that benefits. When it benefits other people or, even worse, when it benefits the poor, then itâs despicable.. And when it benefits the poor at the expense of the rich? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 17:46:54 GMT
Seriously
It cannot be "Us Vs "Them"
If we do that we all retreat into our bunkers and we won't even recognise right from wrong.
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Post by francegas on Oct 25, 2020 18:29:06 GMT
I wonder how many right wingers refused to take the benefits hand out that was the furlough scheme ? I wonder how many lefties who hate Boris and the Tories refused the furlough scheme. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 19:28:27 GMT
I wonder how many right wingers refused to take the benefits hand out that was the furlough scheme ? I wonder how many lefties who hate Boris and the Tories refused the furlough scheme. The Furlough Scheme was / is the perfect response to a collapse in private sector demand. A classic Keynesian economic response. Pity the Tories didn't do that in 2010, a classic Keynesian response. We might not have so damaged our public services and therefore have been better prepared for a pandemic style emergency. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 25, 2020 19:56:04 GMT
I wonder how many lefties who hate Boris and the Tories refused the furlough scheme. The Furlough Scheme was / is the perfect response to a collapse in private sector demand. A classic Keynesian economic response. Pity the Tories didn't do that in 2010, a classic Keynesian response. We might not have so damaged our public services and therefore have been better prepared for a pandemic style emergency. We might of been better prepared for the pandemic if the clown đ€Ą hadnât disbanded the cabinet pandemic committee 6 months before corona virus hit us . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 20:28:00 GMT
I wonder how many right wingers refused to take the benefits hand out that was the furlough scheme ? I wonder how many lefties who hate Boris and the Tories refused the furlough scheme. Why would people who believe in socialism refuse socialism? Youâre the one who has got the problem with it. The question is would/did YOU refuse the furlough scheme? Considering your distaste for state aid for those in need you should have done. |
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Post by snuffzler on Oct 25, 2020 20:29:48 GMT
This thread will be an absolute sh*tshow. Marx my words.
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Post by Gassy on Oct 25, 2020 20:42:57 GMT
I wonder how many lefties who hate Boris and the Tories refused the furlough scheme. Why would people who believe in socialism refuse socialism? Youâre the one who has got the problem with it. The question is would/did YOU refuse the furlough scheme? Considering your distaste for state aid for those in need you should have done. Considering heâs based in France, I highly doubt it  Although, without wanting to make any assumptions about FGâs life, I can only assume youâre quite happy living in the most socialist country in Europe, considering youâre right wing? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 21:06:52 GMT
Why would people who believe in socialism refuse socialism? Youâre the one who has got the problem with it. The question is would/did YOU refuse the furlough scheme? Considering your distaste for state aid for those in need you should have done. Considering heâs based in France, I highly doubt it Although, without wanting to make any assumptions about FGâs life, I can only assume youâre quite happy living in the most socialist country in Europe, considering youâre right wing? Thatâs what I dislike most about the hatred of a big welfare state- itâs so bloody hypocritical because the right wing are the first in line with their hand out when the going gets tough. They just hate that others are in the queue with them. On other forums Iâve seen posters who have previously slagged off those on benefits now crying in shock about how little you get because they lost their jobs in the pandemic. Some have even been brazen enough to demand that benefits are increased just for the duration of the pandemic- ie for as long as itâs convenient for them then they can go back to hating the very idea of it. A lot of right wingers have been bitten on the ass by the sort of lifestyle people who are stuck on benefits (or those on the NMW topped up by benefits) have been living and they donât bloody like it when itâs their turn. |
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