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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 11:51:53 GMT
Let’s be honest, we could do with some sort of revolution/uprising in the UK 3 pages in and the residents of Marxist Corner plotting a revolution! TV made a sitcom about this back n the 1970’s. If people were going to take to the streets we bloody well would have done it by now! Sadly the British are mostly apathetic unless it’s about trans rights or some other ridiculous niche nonsense. Actual attacks on our ability to provide secure housing or improve our standing by our ruling elites are greeted with a shrug. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 11:54:38 GMT
Oh sorry, we also get up in arms about Johnny Foreigner’s attempts to take our sovereigntyyyyyyyyyyyy!!1
If anyone’s going to take the water out of us it has to be our aristocracy and not Johnny Foreigners.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 11:58:27 GMT
Here he is! One of our elites. Mate, I’m not getting involved. I take the water and suggest a thread is moved and renamed Marxist Corner and the next thing you’ve started up a thread with that very name. The usual 4 or 5 start ranting and patting each other on the back for their right-on views then you’re suggesting starting a revolution. It cracks me up. Ooh me fookin sides! Please stop! Oh god Another brainless interjection. Of no interest nor value to anyone or anything of note. Best ignored. Please? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 26, 2020 11:59:38 GMT
Here he is! One of our elites. Mate, I’m not getting involved. I take the water and suggest a thread is moved and renamed Marxist Corner and the next thing you’ve started up a thread with that very name. The usual 4 or 5 start ranting and patting each other on the back for their right-on views then you’re suggesting starting a revolution. It cracks me up. Ooh me fookin sides! Please stop! Oh don't be so bloody sensitive its just a joke |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 12:12:35 GMT
Big corporations who have taken a hit during the pandemic will now be investing in housing rental properties too, so when there is the inevitable housing crash they will sweep up the defaults and rent them out, reducing privately owned homes and making sure to increase their profits as much as possible. I've lost count of people I know who invest their savings in to buy to let. It's become the main way to make money for retirement and it's a powder keg. To be fair Theresa May’s government did put in place policies to make BTL less attractive such as paying capital gains on profits and reducing how easy it was for landlords to evict so it’s not the money printing machine it once was. That’s stopping prospective speculators from getting into the game but it isn’t solving how the likes of Fergus Wilson have swathes of the housing stock in their grip and can lay down arbitrary rules on who lives there. To give you an example of how this has broken Britain if I lose my job because of CV I can’t afford to pay my rent where I am, I have to leave and go somewhere else. I don’t have family I can live with, my friends have no space, social housing is a non-starter because I am a white male ergo not an endangered person. So where do I go? I have to move to a cheap private rent somewhere but how do I do that with no job? The vast majority of private rents do not accept people in receipt of UC. So despite me leaving my previous rentals immaculately and never missing a rent payment I will be locked out of housing and possibly homeless because of the arbitrary rules the private sector can levy and because of a lack of social housing. Makes you proud to be British doesn’t it? It's a travesty mate. Unfortunately there is no way out of that situation in this country, this is Tory land, a competitive free market, so a few winners but mainly losers. It'll always boil down to the haves and have nots. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 12:23:07 GMT
To be fair Theresa May’s government did put in place policies to make BTL less attractive such as paying capital gains on profits and reducing how easy it was for landlords to evict so it’s not the money printing machine it once was. That’s stopping prospective speculators from getting into the game but it isn’t solving how the likes of Fergus Wilson have swathes of the housing stock in their grip and can lay down arbitrary rules on who lives there. To give you an example of how this has broken Britain if I lose my job because of CV I can’t afford to pay my rent where I am, I have to leave and go somewhere else. I don’t have family I can live with, my friends have no space, social housing is a non-starter because I am a white male ergo not an endangered person. So where do I go? I have to move to a cheap private rent somewhere but how do I do that with no job? The vast majority of private rents do not accept people in receipt of UC. So despite me leaving my previous rentals immaculately and never missing a rent payment I will be locked out of housing and possibly homeless because of the arbitrary rules the private sector can levy and because of a lack of social housing. Makes you proud to be British doesn’t it? It's a travesty mate. Unfortunately there is no way out of that situation in this country, this is Tory land, a competitive free market, so a few winners but mainly losers. It'll always boil down to the haves and have nots. So what policy should we follow that will carry the vote of the electorate? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 12:32:08 GMT
It's a travesty mate. Unfortunately there is no way out of that situation in this country, this is Tory land, a competitive free market, so a few winners but mainly losers. It'll always boil down to the haves and have nots. So what policy should we follow that will carry the vote of the electorate? That’s the $64k question. It’s been interesting listening to some potted political histories of Britain because it’s given me the impression the UK (and some of the west in general) were built on socialist principles after the First World War. Inequality was on a steady downward trajectory to it’s apex in the late 70, post war consensus on living standards (moved away from by Thatcher) the commitment by Tories and Labour to build social housing (moved away from by Thatcher) in fact in those days it’s been suggested that Neo-liberalism was a crackpot idea. Since then we have been conditioned to move progressively towards the right wing to such an extent that it’s hard to see how to move to a more compassionate politics with the current voting system we have. It’s as well to remember that the majority of the country did not vote Tory even with Brexit on the agenda, they just have the advantage of small seats making big waves so if there is no appetite for compassionate politics among them then we are stuck. The big question is who would win an election if one was held tomorrow with the deplorable Swinson and not much better Corbyn no longer around? Even with the sh** show the country is in thanks to the handling of the pandemic, Cummings gate, meals gate, contracts etc, despite all of this I still think the Tories would win an overall majority, if not a stonking one. It’s all some people know and I have no idea how to get the most influential voters to care more about each other than themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 13:12:41 GMT
So what policy should we follow that will carry the vote of the electorate? That’s the $64k question. It’s been interesting listening to some potted political histories of Britain because it’s given me the impression the UK (and some of the west in general) were built on socialist principles after the First World War. Inequality was on a steady downward trajectory to it’s apex in the late 70, post war consensus on living standards (moved away from by Thatcher) the commitment by Tories and Labour to build social housing (moved away from by Thatcher) in fact in those days it’s been suggested that Neo-liberalism was a crackpot idea. Since then we have been conditioned to move progressively towards the right wing to such an extent that it’s hard to see how to move to a more compassionate politics with the current voting system we have. It’s as well to remember that the majority of the country did not vote Tory even with Brexit on the agenda, they just have the advantage of small seats making big waves so if there is no appetite for compassionate politics among them then we are stuck. The big question is who would win an election if one was held tomorrow with the deplorable Swinson and not much better Corbyn no longer around? Even with the sh** show the country is in thanks to the handling of the pandemic, Cummings gate, meals gate, contracts etc, despite all of this I still think the Tories would win an overall majority, if not a stonking one. It’s all some people know and I have no idea how to get the most influential voters to care more about each other than themselves. Whilst I might not agree with some of the detail, I agree with the general thrust of your point. The problem now is that nobody is articulating a policy alternative. Being Anti Tory in simplistic terms is not enough. We have to formulate policies that seek to address the issues without creating a "us & them" atmosphere. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 26, 2020 13:16:21 GMT
I also find it a bit...off when you get people like nobby who have packed up and decided to leave our economy pontificate to us about the way the U.K. is run and the Conservative party when they don’t live here and don’t have to deal with the bollocks that comes with it. The thing is we are still affected by what ever government is in power by way of pensions, interest rates, FTSE performance etc. Just because we live abroad there are still various UK taxes that we are subject to. We still have a right to vote in the UK(for a max of 15 years) abroad. So yes we all have a right to a say how the UK is run. You most of loved the brexit vote then that devalued the pound . Go Boris 🇬🇧 |
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Post by francegas on Oct 26, 2020 13:23:37 GMT
The thing is we are still affected by what ever government is in power by way of pensions, interest rates, FTSE performance etc. Just because we live abroad there are still various UK taxes that we are subject to. We still have a right to vote in the UK(for a max of 15 years) abroad. So yes we all have a right to a say how the UK is run. You most of loved the brexit vote then that devalued the pound . Go Boris 🇬🇧 Yep loved the Brexit vote. The pound didn't drop in value as much as it did in 2008. It recovered then and was on the road to recovery before coronavirus. |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 26, 2020 13:26:04 GMT
3 pages in and the residents of Marxist Corner plotting a revolution! TV made a sitcom about this back n the 1970’s. Here he is! One of our elites. Couldn’t help himself could he ? He suggests setting up Marxist corner where all the “Lefties” can chat amongst themselves. Then hey ho! he pops up 🙄 |
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Post by yattongas on Oct 26, 2020 13:35:06 GMT
You most of loved the brexit vote then that devalued the pound . Go Boris 🇬🇧 Yep loved the Brexit vote. The pound didn't drop in value as much as it did in 2008. It recovered then and was on the road to recovery before coronavirus. How’s Brexit going to improve your life FG out of interest ? You’ll have to point out to me when it was on the rd to recovery as the charts I can see is pretty much down hill apart from the odd bump when hope of a deal pops up . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 13:36:47 GMT
You most of loved the brexit vote then that devalued the pound . Go Boris 🇬🇧 Yep loved the Brexit vote. The pound didn't drop in value as much as it did in 2008. It recovered then and was on the road to recovery before coronavirus. Again, this is what I wonder about Brits who live abroad yet endorse Brexit. You’ve had the luxury of freedom of movement, which you have taken advantage of and yet you fully endorse it being taken away from the millennials and their kids not to mention you won’t have to live with the economic fallout on jobs etc. It’s playing up to the little Englander picture that is being painted in threads like these. Classic “pull the ladder up after yourself” stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 13:46:24 GMT
That’s the $64k question. It’s been interesting listening to some potted political histories of Britain because it’s given me the impression the UK (and some of the west in general) were built on socialist principles after the First World War. Inequality was on a steady downward trajectory to it’s apex in the late 70, post war consensus on living standards (moved away from by Thatcher) the commitment by Tories and Labour to build social housing (moved away from by Thatcher) in fact in those days it’s been suggested that Neo-liberalism was a crackpot idea. Since then we have been conditioned to move progressively towards the right wing to such an extent that it’s hard to see how to move to a more compassionate politics with the current voting system we have. It’s as well to remember that the majority of the country did not vote Tory even with Brexit on the agenda, they just have the advantage of small seats making big waves so if there is no appetite for compassionate politics among them then we are stuck. The big question is who would win an election if one was held tomorrow with the deplorable Swinson and not much better Corbyn no longer around? Even with the sh** show the country is in thanks to the handling of the pandemic, Cummings gate, meals gate, contracts etc, despite all of this I still think the Tories would win an overall majority, if not a stonking one. It’s all some people know and I have no idea how to get the most influential voters to care more about each other than themselves. Whilst I might not agree with some of the detail, I agree with the general thrust of your point. The problem now is that nobody is articulating a policy alternative. Being Anti Tory in simplistic terms is not enough. We have to formulate policies that seek to address the issues without creating a "us & them" atmosphere. I agree, but I don’t know how you can bridge that divide in the current climate because there are stark gaps between the main parties. Labour could move more to the centre (I’ve heard a lot of complaint about Labour being consumed by identity politics which has turned off core voters and I too have no time for that bollocks) but even then I am not sure they would appeal to the rabid demographic that has emerged in the build up to Brexit who seem to want a lb of other people’s flesh as payment for some unknown grievance. I recall the yougov poll that found that half of over 60’s who voted for Brexit would do so again even if it meant that a loved one lost their job. That says an awful lot about our country imo. Statistically the boomer generation are more likely to vote and seem to be more in favour of Brexit and Conservative politics so we have to understand what has bothered them so much that they support Tory politics and seemingly harmful strategies like Brexit. I don’t think even moderate parties can appeal to that sort of mindset. Maybe we just have to accept that we need the harsh realities of Brexit and a post covid world for them to wake up to the mess the country is undoubtedly going to be in. I am somewhat confident that we will see a labour government in the next ten years if only because the long term repercussions of CV and Brexit will be too much for the Tories to be able Shake off. But what state the country will be in by that point both politically and in terms of social division will make it an almost impossible task to do anything about. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 26, 2020 13:49:36 GMT
Whilst I might not agree with some of the detail, I agree with the general thrust of your point. The problem now is that nobody is articulating a policy alternative. Being Anti Tory in simplistic terms is not enough. We have to formulate policies that seek to address the issues without creating a "us & them" atmosphere. I agree, but I don’t know how you can bridge that divide in the current climate because there are stark gaps between the main parties. Labour could move more to the centre (I’ve heard a lot of complaint about Labour being consumed by identity politics which has turned off core voters and I too have no time for that bollocks) but even then I am not sure they would appeal to the rabid demographic that has emerged in the build up to Brexit who seem to want a lb of other people’s flesh as payment for some unknown grievance. I recall the yougov poll that found that half of over 60’s who voted for Brexit would do so again even if it meant that a loved one lost their job. That says an awful lot about our country imo. Statistically the boomer generation are more likely to vote and seem to be more in favour of Brexit and Conservative politics so we have to understand what has bothered them so much that they support Tory politics and seemingly harmful strategies like Brexit. I don’t think even moderate parties can appeal to that sort of mindset. Maybe we just have to accept that we need the harsh realities of Brexit and a post covid world for them to wake up to the mess the country is undoubtedly going to be in. I am somewhat confident that we will see a labour government in the next ten years if only because the long term repercussions of CV and Brexit will be too much for the Tories to be able Shake off. But what state the country will be in by that point both politically and in terms of social division will make it an almost impossible task to do anything about. Who on earth would want to take on the mess the Conservatives have left us with? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 26, 2020 13:54:28 GMT
Here he is! One of our elites. Couldn’t help himself could he ? He suggests setting up Marxist corner where all the “Lefties” can chat amongst themselves. Then hey ho! he pops up 🙄 I thought better of you Yatton, I really did. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 13:56:26 GMT
You most of loved the brexit vote then that devalued the pound . Go Boris 🇬🇧 Yep loved the Brexit vote. The pound didn't drop in value as much as it did in 2008. It recovered then and was on the road to recovery before coronavirus. Come on France, You cant avoid the detail. This has been covered. |
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Post by francegas on Oct 26, 2020 14:14:20 GMT
Yep loved the Brexit vote. The pound didn't drop in value as much as it did in 2008. It recovered then and was on the road to recovery before coronavirus. Come on France, You cant avoid the detail. This has been covered. Already covered and debated under the Brexit thread. |
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Post by francegas on Oct 26, 2020 14:36:12 GMT
Yep loved the Brexit vote. The pound didn't drop in value as much as it did in 2008. It recovered then and was on the road to recovery before coronavirus. Again, this is what I wonder about Brits who live abroad yet endorse Brexit. You’ve had the luxury of freedom of movement, which you have taken advantage of and yet you fully endorse it being taken away from the millennials and their kids not to mention you won’t have to live with the economic fallout on jobs etc. It’s playing up to the little Englander picture that is being painted in threads like these. Classic “pull the ladder up after yourself” stuff. Hasn't everyone had the luxury of freedom of movement if wanted ? Christ 365 you really come across as bitter and jealous of anyone who has anything in life. You seem to think the world and anyone who has assets owe you in life. I'm not doubting it's tough for people to get on the property ladder, although I don't know why you would want to as you despise anyone with an asset and think it's a good thing people with assets are in your words "snuffing it". Don't know if you are aware but in 2018 there was a 12 year high in first time buyer mortgages being granted so some people are managing to get on the mortgage ladder. Theres far more government help schemes now than there was in the 80s when you seem to think it was so much easier to buy a property. Also in the 80s we had record high interest rates on mortgages not the 2-3% you can get today, no lender was offering 100% mortgages, no stamp duty breaks that are offered at the moment, so life wasn't a bed of Rose's you make it out to be. |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 26, 2020 14:39:07 GMT
Again, this is what I wonder about Brits who live abroad yet endorse Brexit. You’ve had the luxury of freedom of movement, which you have taken advantage of and yet you fully endorse it being taken away from the millennials and their kids not to mention you won’t have to live with the economic fallout on jobs etc. It’s playing up to the little Englander picture that is being painted in threads like these. Classic “pull the ladder up after yourself” stuff. Hasn't everyone had the luxury of freedom of movement if wanted ? Christ 365 you really come across as bitter and jealous of anyone who has anything in life. You seem to think the world and anyone who has assets owe you in life. I'm not doubting it's tough for people to get on the property ladder, although I don't know why you would want to as you despise anyone with an asset and think it's a good thing people with assets are in your words "snuffing it". Don't know if you are aware but in 2018 there was a 12 year high in first time buyer mortgages being granted so some people are managing to get on the mortgage ladder. Theres far more government help schemes now than there was in the 80s when you seem to think it was so much easier to buy a property. Also in the 80s we had record high interest rates on mortgages not the 2-3% you can get today, no lender was offering 100% mortgages, no stamp duty breaks that are offered at the moment, so life wasn't a bed of Rose's you make it out to be. but who has helped drive property prices up? |
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