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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 19:19:44 GMT
How did you end up there from my comment? Its not just your comment, its a continuation of comments. Left Wing Politics good, Right Wing Politics bad, is pretty much the rhetoric. When in reality both sides of the spectrum are as bad as eachother. Somewhere in the middle would be nice, I suppose that was my point really, that even that is deemed "Right Wing" these days. On here, this discussion group, my sense is the vast majority are centrists. It's just a small minoritu that keep chucking around adjectives like lefty, Marxist. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 19:20:25 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 29, 2020 20:29:32 GMT
How did you end up there from my comment? Its not just your comment, its a continuation of comments. Left Wing Politics good, Right Wing Politics bad, is pretty much the rhetoric. When in reality both sides of the spectrum are as bad as eachother. Somewhere in the middle would be nice, I suppose that was my point really, that even that is deemed "Right Wing" these days. Left of centre is Marxism, right of centre is Fascism, or so many would think. As it happens, I suspect most of us would be fairly centrist on most things, although we do seem to like not agreeing with each other for some reason. |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 29, 2020 20:43:05 GMT
Its not just your comment, its a continuation of comments. Left Wing Politics good, Right Wing Politics bad, is pretty much the rhetoric. When in reality both sides of the spectrum are as bad as eachother. Somewhere in the middle would be nice, I suppose that was my point really, that even that is deemed "Right Wing" these days. Left of centre is Marxism, right of centre is Fascism, or so many would think. As it happens, I suspect most of us would be fairly centrist on most things, although we do seem to like not agreeing with each other for some reason. Absolute rubbish, don't agree with that at all. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 29, 2020 20:51:20 GMT
Left of centre is Marxism, right of centre is Fascism, or so many would think. As it happens, I suspect most of us would be fairly centrist on most things, although we do seem to like not agreeing with each other for some reason. Absolute rubbish, don't agree with that at all. Then you must be a Marxist Brexiteer Thatcherite Commie Europhile. Don't deny it. 🤪 |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 29, 2020 22:04:11 GMT
Absolute rubbish, don't agree with that at all. Then you must be a Marxist Brexiteer Thatcherite Commie Europhile. Don't deny it. 🤪 Ylu tell him Stu. Back to your nuclear family you picket-fence functionalist |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 7:18:05 GMT
Sir Keir Stalin is welcome to the corner with his show trial purges.
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Post by baggins on Oct 30, 2020 11:37:04 GMT
Can someone briefly, and without using long words, explain where this Labour anti-jewish thing came from? Is there something historical? I don't get it.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 11:59:04 GMT
The Labour Party have been damned in a report on the parties anti-semitism. Of course, discrimination of all kinds is not acceptable based on race or religion. My questions is; Why is discrimination against Islam not regarded to the same levels as it is against the Jewish community? Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson a well known racist said of the Quran; "Judged purely on its scripture — to say nothing of what is preached in the mosques — it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers." Being anti-Israeli government as I am, is not anti-semitic, I am also anti-USA government and anti-British government. But it would appear being anti-Israeli government makes me an anti-semitic racist. I am anti-Islamic State, I don't hate Muslims in the same way I don't hate Jewish people. What is the difference? Bearing in mind your rather lengthy absence, how up to date are you on current affairs? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 12:01:53 GMT
And people wonder by Boris Johnson and Donald Trump are in positions of power, when Corbyn and Biden are the alternatives. I did think some of the treatment towards Corbyn was disgraceful, but if this report has any merit, it's pretty damning. I agree with Oldie for once, hopefully this will see the turds from Momentum vanish. Kinnock didn't manage it all those years ago. Momentum is like the Hydra. Cut off a head but it will come back stronger. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 12:14:45 GMT
The Labour Party have been damned in a report on the parties anti-semitism. Of course, discrimination of all kinds is not acceptable based on race or religion. My questions is; Why is discrimination against Islam not regarded to the same levels as it is against the Jewish community? Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson a well known racist said of the Quran; "Judged purely on its scripture — to say nothing of what is preached in the mosques — it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers." Being anti-Israeli government as I am, is not anti-semitic, I am also anti-USA government and anti-British government. But it would appear being anti-Israeli government makes me an anti-semitic racist. I am anti-Islamic State, I don't hate Muslims in the same way I don't hate Jewish people. What is the difference? Being “the nasty party” means you get judged by a different standard than everyone else, people expect you to have prejudice for a minority so as such you can’t lose any votes when you get caught playing up to that prejudice through your choice of leader or by not carrying out the inquiry you promised to do live on TV. As far as Corbyn goes, I feel bad for him as he comes across as a principled man and support for Palestine and dislike of the Israeli government should not be construed as anti-semitism but the findings of this inquiry seem like they must be damning so he needs to have the book rightfully thrown at him, unfortunately. Unlike the Tories, Labour are held to a higher moral standard and need a squeaky clean image so they need to root out this anti-semitism problem. At least they are taking it seriously and doing something about it. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 14:00:17 GMT
The Labour Party have been damned in a report on the parties anti-semitism. Of course, discrimination of all kinds is not acceptable based on race or religion. My questions is; Why is discrimination against Islam not regarded to the same levels as it is against the Jewish community? Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson a well known racist said of the Quran; "Judged purely on its scripture — to say nothing of what is preached in the mosques — it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers." Being anti-Israeli government as I am, is not anti-semitic, I am also anti-USA government and anti-British government. But it would appear being anti-Israeli government makes me an anti-semitic racist. I am anti-Islamic State, I don't hate Muslims in the same way I don't hate Jewish people. What is the difference? Being “the nasty party” means you get judged by a different standard than everyone else, people expect you to have prejudice for a minority so as such you can’t lose any votes when you get caught playing up to that prejudice through your choice of leader or by not carrying out the inquiry you promised to do live on TV. As far as Corbyn goes, I feel bad for him as he comes across as a principled man and support for Palestine and dislike of the Israeli government should not be construed as anti-semitism but the findings of this inquiry seem like they must be damning so he needs to have the book rightfully thrown at him, unfortunately. Unlike the Tories, Labour are held to a higher moral standard and need a squeaky clean image so they need to root out this anti-semitism problem. At least they are taking it seriously and doing something about it. Well, having had it confirmed that the wonderful, egalitarian Labour Party is riven with racism the usual suspects, having partially digested but not fully accepted the facts try to turn it around and say it’s not fair because they’re held to different standards to tha Conservative party. I mean, WTF? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 14:45:27 GMT
Being “the nasty party” means you get judged by a different standard than everyone else, people expect you to have prejudice for a minority so as such you can’t lose any votes when you get caught playing up to that prejudice through your choice of leader or by not carrying out the inquiry you promised to do live on TV. As far as Corbyn goes, I feel bad for him as he comes across as a principled man and support for Palestine and dislike of the Israeli government should not be construed as anti-semitism but the findings of this inquiry seem like they must be damning so he needs to have the book rightfully thrown at him, unfortunately. Unlike the Tories, Labour are held to a higher moral standard and need a squeaky clean image so they need to root out this anti-semitism problem. At least they are taking it seriously and doing something about it. Well, having had it confirmed that the wonderful, egalitarian Labour Party is riven with racism the usual suspects, having partially digested but not fully accepted the facts try to turn it around and say it’s not fair because they’re held to different standards to tha Conservative party. I mean, WTF? I’ve not tried to defend Labour have I?. I’ve made an observation about how the Tory party have dealt with similar accusations, of islamophobia, in the their own party. They dealt with it by Sajid Javid promising a full enquiry, Boris Johnson live on TV shaking his hand and committing to it...and then quietly dropping the idea once he was elected as the head of the party. Who honestly cares that he did that? No-one. If Labour dared to sweep anti-semitism under the carpet the Sun, the daily mail and the telegraph would be out-raged And they wouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. And they haven’t in fact because anti-semitism in Labour is still being talked about post election (and rightly so) while Tory islamophobia is allowed to sink without trace. If that isn’t two different standards then I don’t know what is quite frankly. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 30, 2020 16:10:22 GMT
Well, having had it confirmed that the wonderful, egalitarian Labour Party is riven with racism the usual suspects, having partially digested but not fully accepted the facts try to turn it around and say it’s not fair because they’re held to different standards to tha Conservative party. I mean, WTF? I’ve not tried to defend Labour have I?. I’ve made an observation about how the Tory party have dealt with similar accusations, of islamophobia, in the their own party. They dealt with it by Sajid Javid promising a full enquiry, Boris Johnson live on TV shaking his hand and committing to it...and then quietly dropping the idea once he was elected as the head of the party. Who honestly cares that he did that? No-one. If Labour dared to sweep anti-semitism under the carpet the Sun, the daily mail and the telegraph would be out-raged And they wouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. And they haven’t in fact because anti-semitism in Labour is still being talked about post election (and rightly so) while Tory islamophobia is allowed to sink without trace. If that isn’t two different standards then I don’t know what is quite frankly. Pay no heed. Whataboutery has been the staple for many months here from some. But of course, it only ever works one way. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 17:24:07 GMT
Well, having had it confirmed that the wonderful, egalitarian Labour Party is riven with racism the usual suspects, having partially digested but not fully accepted the facts try to turn it around and say it’s not fair because they’re held to different standards to tha Conservative party. I mean, WTF? I’ve not tried to defend Labour have I?. I’ve made an observation about how the Tory party have dealt with similar accusations, of islamophobiaet al would let it die a quiet , in the their own party. They dealt with it by Sajid Javid promising a full enquiry, Boris Johnson live on TV shaking his hand and committing to it...and then quietly dropping the idea once he was elected as the head of the party. Who honestly cares that he did that? No-one. If Labour dared to sweep anti-semitism under the carpet the Sun, the daily mail and the telegraph would be out-raged And they wouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. And they haven’t in fact because anti-semitism in Labour is still being talked about post election (and rightly so) while Tory islamophobia is allowed to sink without trace. If that isn’t two different standards then I don’t know what is quite frankly. Oh come on! If there was anything in this do you think The Guardian, Spectator, Mirror, BBC, ITN Channel 4 et al would let it die a quiet death? The only reason this got mentioned was because Labour, when it realised it was in some trouble, started throwing baseless accusations around in a desperate bid to deflect scrutiny. Are you really that gullible? And yes, I do believe you have tried to defend Labour, and that’s my belief. |
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Post by snuffzler on Oct 30, 2020 17:39:23 GMT
An accusation of Antisemitism is mainly just a weapon used liberally against those who notice things they aren’t allowed to at the same time as being audacious enough to say so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 18:32:35 GMT
I’ve not tried to defend Labour have I?. I’ve made an observation about how the Tory party have dealt with similar accusations, of islamophobiaet al would let it die a quiet , in the their own party. They dealt with it by Sajid Javid promising a full enquiry, Boris Johnson live on TV shaking his hand and committing to it...and then quietly dropping the idea once he was elected as the head of the party. Who honestly cares that he did that? No-one. If Labour dared to sweep anti-semitism under the carpet the Sun, the daily mail and the telegraph would be out-raged And they wouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. And they haven’t in fact because anti-semitism in Labour is still being talked about post election (and rightly so) while Tory islamophobia is allowed to sink without trace. If that isn’t two different standards then I don’t know what is quite frankly. Oh come on! If there was anything in this do you think The Guardian, Spectator, Mirror, BBC, ITN Channel 4 et al would let it die a quiet death? The only reason this got mentioned was because Labour, when it realised it was in some trouble, started throwing baseless accusations around in a desperate bid to deflect scrutiny. Are you really that gullible? And yes, I do believe you have tried to defend Labour, and that’s my belief. So this is interesting: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/12/equalities-watchdog-drops-plan-for-tory-islamophobia-inquiryThe Muslim council of Britain has amassed 300 incidences of islamophobia to the point where the Tories are going to have an investigation now, however the investigation is into how complaints are handled rather than the issues that lead to those complaints which renders it all a bit pointless. Why isn’t this more public knowledge? It seems to have gone under the radar compared to Labour’s anti-semitism. 300 cases is hardly an insignificant accusation. But as usual, whatever happens it won’t cost the Tories a vote because people are more obsessed with what Labour have been accused of. |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 18:41:22 GMT
Oh come on! If there was anything in this do you think The Guardian, Spectator, Mirror, BBC, ITN Channel 4 et al would let it die a quiet death? The only reason this got mentioned was because Labour, when it realised it was in some trouble, started throwing baseless accusations around in a desperate bid to deflect scrutiny. Are you really that gullible? And yes, I do believe you have tried to defend Labour, and that’s my belief. So this is interesting: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/12/equalities-watchdog-drops-plan-for-tory-islamophobia-inquiryThe Muslim council of Britain has amassed 300 incidences of islamophobia to the point where the Tories are going to have an investigation now, however the investigation is into how complaints are handled rather than the issues that lead to those complaints which renders it all a bit pointless. Why isn’t this more public knowledge? It seems to have gone under the radar compared to Labour’s anti-semitism. 300 cases is hardly an insignificant accusation. But as usual, whatever happens it won’t cost the Tories a vote because people are more obsessed with what Labour have been accused of. Well, having read that slanted pile of left wing Guardian bilge, I think that if The ECHR, surely one of the most left wing organisations in the country is happy, then the left wing, foam flecked Marxists on here should be happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 18:52:28 GMT
So this is interesting: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/12/equalities-watchdog-drops-plan-for-tory-islamophobia-inquiryThe Muslim council of Britain has amassed 300 incidences of islamophobia to the point where the Tories are going to have an investigation now, however the investigation is into how complaints are handled rather than the issues that lead to those complaints which renders it all a bit pointless. Why isn’t this more public knowledge? It seems to have gone under the radar compared to Labour’s anti-semitism. 300 cases is hardly an insignificant accusation. But as usual, whatever happens it won’t cost the Tories a vote because people are more obsessed with what Labour have been accused of. Well, having read that slanted pile of left wing Guardian bilge, I think that if The ECHR, surely one of the most left wing organisations in the country is happy, then the left wing, foam flecked Marxists on here should be happy. But what are they happy about? That the Tories are going to have their own investigation which suggests there is some case to answer there. Interestingly though the Tories have come up with their own definition of Islamophobia compared to the standard one used by all the other political parties. Why do you think that is Oldgas? Afraid of scrutiny? |
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Post by oldgas on Oct 30, 2020 18:57:54 GMT
Well, having read that slanted pile of left wing Guardian bilge, I think that if The ECHR, surely one of the most left wing organisations in the country is happy, then the left wing, foam flecked Marxists on here should be happy. But what are they happy about? That the Tories are going to have their own investigation which suggests there is some case to answer there. Interestingly though the Tories have come up with their own definition of Islamophobia compared to the standard one used by all the other political parties. Why do you think that is Oldgas? Afraid of scrutiny? Which theECHR, the most left wing organisation in the country before tipping over to criminality like the Marxists masquerading as BLM are going to oversee it. Theres nothing to see here. Once again, Labour doing what it does best and going into attack mode, trying desperately to divert attention. The internal battles in Labour over suspending Steptoe are going to be glorious. |
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