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Post by matealotblue on Oct 30, 2020 20:53:39 GMT
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Post by pirate on Oct 31, 2020 2:10:26 GMT
Can someone briefly, and without using long words, explain where this Labour anti-jewish thing came from? Is there something historical? I don't get it. The 'Campaign Against Antisemitism' was one of the two pro-Israel lobby groups that referred Labour to the EHRC in the first place. electronicintifada.net/tags/campaign-against-antisemitismSo after interfering in our election, certain people in Israel and lobby groups in this country got their wish... Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 9:34:16 GMT
Can someone briefly, and without using long words, explain where this Labour anti-jewish thing came from? Is there something historical? I don't get it. Corbyn is an activist who stands in solidarity with oppressed countries/states against their aggressors, some of those oppressed states are anti-isreal (Palestine, Iran, Syria etc). In pro-Israel eyes this makes Corbyn an anti-Semite. |
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Post by francegas on Nov 1, 2020 10:05:08 GMT
Can someone briefly, and without using long words, explain where this Labour anti-jewish thing came from? Is there something historical? I don't get it. Corbyn is an activist who stands in solidarity with oppressed countries/states against their aggressors, some of those oppressed states are anti-isreal (Palestine, Iran, Syria etc). In pro-Israel eyes this makes Corbyn an anti-Semite. Well I suppose referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as your friends, attending a conference with senior Hamas officials and laying a wreath for Palestinian terrorists involved in the murder of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics probably doesn't help your cause |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 10:58:52 GMT
Corbyn is an activist who stands in solidarity with oppressed countries/states against their aggressors, some of those oppressed states are anti-isreal (Palestine, Iran, Syria etc). In pro-Israel eyes this makes Corbyn an anti-Semite. Well I suppose referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as your friends, attending a conference with senior Hamas officials and laying a wreath for Palestinian terrorists involved in the murder of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics probably doesn't help your cause You are right, it does not. But Grover has a very valid point. In essence the Israeli government have a very effective PR strategy, itself underpinned by the Americans and the very effective Jewish lobby there. When talking about this we very rarely talk about the near apartheid conditions imposed on West Bank Arabs, the economic constriction imposed upon the Palestinians by the Israelis. This is the very stuff that feeds desperate responses, feeds the ultra extremists. Over the last ten days there was the heartbreaking events of the young family drowned trying to get to the UK. I bet, I would put money on it, that very few are aware of the betrayal our Government delivered to Kurdistan when, along with the French, we carved up Mesopotamia for our own economic and administrative best interests. The same period when we unilaterally made the Balfour Declaration. To wit. "The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. Wikipedia Originally published: 2 November 1917." I don't like or support Corbyn, never did. But he has a point. This triangulates nicely with the arguments about teaching the real history of our country. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 1, 2020 11:11:09 GMT
Well I suppose referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as your friends, attending a conference with senior Hamas officials and laying a wreath for Palestinian terrorists involved in the murder of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics probably doesn't help your cause You are right, it does not. But Grover has a very valid point. In essence the Israeli government have a very effective PR strategy, itself underpinned by the Americans and the very effective Jewish lobby there. When talking about this we very rarely talk about the near apartheid conditions imposed on West Bank Arabs, the economic constriction imposed upon the Palestinians by the Israelis. This is the very stuff that feeds desperate responses, feeds the ultra extremists. Over the last ten days there was the heartbreaking events of the young family drowned trying to get to the UK. I bet, I would put money on it, that very few are aware of the betrayal our Government delivered to Kurdistan when, along with the French, we carved up Mesopotamia for our own economic and administrative best interests. The same period when we unilaterally made the Balfour Declaration. To wit. "The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. Wikipedia Originally published: 2 November 1917." I don't like or support Corbyn, never did. But he has a point. This triangulates nicely with the arguments about teaching the real history of our country. This is correct and the problem has always been the carve up of the Middle East by the European powers post 1918 with little or no account taken of the rights of the indigenous population. Britain and France had a golden opportunity at the end of 1918 to get collective agreement but failed to do so in their avarice to expand their Imperial ambitions. We have lived with the disastrous outcomes for the last 100 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 11:15:32 GMT
You are right, it does not. But Grover has a very valid point. In essence the Israeli government have a very effective PR strategy, itself underpinned by the Americans and the very effective Jewish lobby there. When talking about this we very rarely talk about the near apartheid conditions imposed on West Bank Arabs, the economic constriction imposed upon the Palestinians by the Israelis. This is the very stuff that feeds desperate responses, feeds the ultra extremists. Over the last ten days there was the heartbreaking events of the young family drowned trying to get to the UK. I bet, I would put money on it, that very few are aware of the betrayal our Government delivered to Kurdistan when, along with the French, we carved up Mesopotamia for our own economic and administrative best interests. The same period when we unilaterally made the Balfour Declaration. To wit. "The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. Wikipedia Originally published: 2 November 1917." I don't like or support Corbyn, never did. But he has a point. This triangulates nicely with the arguments about teaching the real history of our country. This is correct and the problem has always been the carve up of the Middle East by the European powers post 1918 with little or no account taken of the rights of the indigenous population. Britain and France had a golden opportunity at the end of 1918 to get collective agreement but failed to do so in their avarice to expand their Imperial ambitions. We have lived with the disastrous outcomes for the last 100 years. Thank you Clive. In before I get lambasted by the usual suspects for "hating my own country" and bringing up "ancient" history. |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 1, 2020 11:23:58 GMT
This is correct and the problem has always been the carve up of the Middle East by the European powers post 1918 with little or no account taken of the rights of the indigenous population. Britain and France had a golden opportunity at the end of 1918 to get collective agreement but failed to do so in their avarice to expand their Imperial ambitions. We have lived with the disastrous outcomes for the last 100 years. Thank you Clive. In before I get lambasted by the usual suspects for "hating my own country" and bringing up "ancient" history. You can't hide from the facts Les no matter how unpalatable,viewed through the prism of post 1918 our approach to the Middle East was no different to all the Colonial powers however,it was duplicitous as TE Lawrence found out and it was that which damaged him mentally for the rest of his life. All actions have consequences and in this case they are far reaching and long lasting. |
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Post by francegas on Nov 1, 2020 12:50:15 GMT
Well I suppose referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as your friends, attending a conference with senior Hamas officials and laying a wreath for Palestinian terrorists involved in the murder of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics probably doesn't help your cause You are right, it does not. But Grover has a very valid point. In essence the Israeli government have a very effective PR strategy, itself underpinned by the Americans and the very effective Jewish lobby there. When talking about this we very rarely talk about the near apartheid conditions imposed on West Bank Arabs, the economic constriction imposed upon the Palestinians by the Israelis. This is the very stuff that feeds desperate responses, feeds the ultra extremists. Over the last ten days there was the heartbreaking events of the young family drowned trying to get to the UK. I bet, I would put money on it, that very few are aware of the betrayal our Government delivered to Kurdistan when, along with the French, we carved up Mesopotamia for our own economic and administrative best interests. The same period when we unilaterally made the Balfour Declaration. To wit. "The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. Wikipedia Originally published: 2 November 1917." I don't like or support Corbyn, never did. But he has a point. This triangulates nicely with the arguments about teaching the real history of our country. I agree with this, however it doesn't exactly help matters when you are surrounded by countries some of which have the sole aim of wiping you off the face of the earth. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 13:35:17 GMT
You are right, it does not. But Grover has a very valid point. In essence the Israeli government have a very effective PR strategy, itself underpinned by the Americans and the very effective Jewish lobby there. When talking about this we very rarely talk about the near apartheid conditions imposed on West Bank Arabs, the economic constriction imposed upon the Palestinians by the Israelis. This is the very stuff that feeds desperate responses, feeds the ultra extremists. Over the last ten days there was the heartbreaking events of the young family drowned trying to get to the UK. I bet, I would put money on it, that very few are aware of the betrayal our Government delivered to Kurdistan when, along with the French, we carved up Mesopotamia for our own economic and administrative best interests. The same period when we unilaterally made the Balfour Declaration. To wit. "The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. Wikipedia Originally published: 2 November 1917." I don't like or support Corbyn, never did. But he has a point. This triangulates nicely with the arguments about teaching the real history of our country. I agree with this, however it doesn't exactly help matters when you are surrounded by countries some of which have the sole aim of wiping you off the face of the earth. I can refer to Iran whose theocratic fascists have made that statement. We the, UK, have acted disgracefully there as well. In 1952 we, along with the Americans, subverted democracy there by organising a coup against the democratically elected Government. Installed the puppet Shah as head of Government and persuaded him to squander huge chunks of their oil wealth on military equipment bought from us and the Americans. The rest he kept for himself. Can you really blame the Iranians for being anti west, or anti western surrogates? We are the causal factor in most of this. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 14:43:36 GMT
Corbyn is an activist who stands in solidarity with oppressed countries/states against their aggressors, some of those oppressed states are anti-isreal (Palestine, Iran, Syria etc). In pro-Israel eyes this makes Corbyn an anti-Semite. Well I suppose referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as your friends, attending a conference with senior Hamas officials and laying a wreath for Palestinian terrorists involved in the murder of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics probably doesn't help your cause His cause of being a pacifist peace keeping activist? The things you've listed would further his stance? Not every politician has to be a murderous war monger, admittedly most are. |
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Post by lordlucan on Nov 5, 2020 15:38:41 GMT
This Corbyn is a friend of terrorists rhetoric is one of the biggest lies in history. Making pacts and working towards peace is better than bombing them and creating more resentment.
Terrorists are only terrorists depending on who is paying for them. I am pretty sure the West are very much the terrorists in large swathes of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 16:11:20 GMT
This Corbyn is a friend of terrorists rhetoric is one of the biggest lies in history. Making pacts and working towards peace is better than bombing them and creating more resentment. Terrorists are only terrorists depending on who is paying for them. I am pretty sure the West are very much the terrorists in large swathes of the world. Careful you'll be labelled a traitor. It's funny when people complain of a Muslims invading Europe/US, when it was their governments who attempted to westernise the east. Anyway, part of corbyns legacy will be showing that if you try to put a peaceful pacifist in charge of a war loving state, the state will bite back. |
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Post by lordlucan on Nov 5, 2020 19:38:02 GMT
This Corbyn is a friend of terrorists rhetoric is one of the biggest lies in history. Making pacts and working towards peace is better than bombing them and creating more resentment. Terrorists are only terrorists depending on who is paying for them. I am pretty sure the West are very much the terrorists in large swathes of the world. Careful you'll be labelled a traitor. It's funny when people complain of a Muslims invading Europe/US, when it was their governments who attempted to westernise the east. Anyway, part of corbyns legacy will be showing that if you try to put a peaceful pacifist in charge of a war loving state, the state will bite back. Not sure many people have the right to call me a traitor unless they themselves are purebloods of this rock, which nobody is. . I have a mix of Celtic and Spanish blood, so like everybody here, none of us are indigenous to this land and having such a loyalty to it makes no sense really. If it's because you are loyal to the monarchy, then if you re working class your ancestors are bound to have been treated appallingly by them and will have had money and lands taken from your people. Same with historical governments, as well as the current one. Your women folk were just murdered by the state because they may have had an opinion. Dunk them in water and if they die, they are innocent. If they live they are guilty and they die anyway. People driven to starvation, murdered for stealing bread to survive. But if that makes them submit to loyalty and me a traitor, they can go for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 21:30:18 GMT
Careful you'll be labelled a traitor. It's funny when people complain of a Muslims invading Europe/US, when it was their governments who attempted to westernise the east. Anyway, part of corbyns legacy will be showing that if you try to put a peaceful pacifist in charge of a war loving state, the state will bite back. Not sure many people have the right to call me a traitor unless they themselves are purebloods of this rock, which nobody is. . I have a mix of Celtic and Spanish blood, so like everybody here, none of us are indigenous to this land and having such a loyalty to it makes no sense really. If it's because you are loyal to the monarchy, then if you re working class your ancestors are bound to have been treated appallingly by them and will have had money and lands taken from your people. Same with historical governments, as well as the current one. Your women folk were just murdered by the state because they may have had an opinion. Dunk them in water and if they die, they are innocent. If they live they are guilty and they die anyway. People driven to starvation, murdered for stealing bread to survive. But if that makes them submit to loyalty and me a traitor, they can go for it. It's getting quite radical on here😍 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 7:58:36 GMT
Careful you'll be labelled a traitor. It's funny when people complain of a Muslims invading Europe/US, when it was their governments who attempted to westernise the east. Anyway, part of corbyns legacy will be showing that if you try to put a peaceful pacifist in charge of a war loving state, the state will bite back. Not sure many people have the right to call me a traitor unless they themselves are purebloods of this rock, which nobody is. . I have a mix of Celtic and Spanish blood, so like everybody here, none of us are indigenous to this land and having such a loyalty to it makes no sense really. If it's because you are loyal to the monarchy, then if you re working class your ancestors are bound to have been treated appallingly by them and will have had money and lands taken from your people. Same with historical governments, as well as the current one. Your women folk were just murdered by the state because they may have had an opinion. Dunk them in water and if they die, they are innocent. If they live they are guilty and they die anyway. People driven to starvation, murdered for stealing bread to survive. But if that makes them submit to loyalty and me a traitor, they can go for it. Yeah I don't really get the flag loyalty thing in the UK... I did growing up as it's what I was taught... But then you see homelessness, drug addidction, mental health and other issues affecting huge amounts of people and no one does anything about it? It could be fixed instantly but people only care about themselves... Some national pride that is. Then you get the endless wars, again I was brought up to idolise those fallen hero's of the world wars... Then Iraq/afgan happens, live bombings broadcast on BBC, webpages with live tallies of deaths and destruction, mass murder of innocent people, and for what? The 'hero's' from this war sent home to wait for charity donations... "Everyone give to help to hero's, the government & queen are a bit low on cash right now". Now it seems national pride is built on building walls on the borders & hating anyone who doesn't bow to their racist ideology, the UK proudly creating globalisation and then sh1tting it's pants when problems arise from it. A nation of bootlickers born to serve. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 7, 2020 20:34:36 GMT
Not sure many people have the right to call me a traitor unless they themselves are purebloods of this rock, which nobody is. . I have a mix of Celtic and Spanish blood, so like everybody here, none of us are indigenous to this land and having such a loyalty to it makes no sense really. If it's because you are loyal to the monarchy, then if you re working class your ancestors are bound to have been treated appallingly by them and will have had money and lands taken from your people. Same with historical governments, as well as the current one. Your women folk were just murdered by the state because they may have had an opinion. Dunk them in water and if they die, they are innocent. If they live they are guilty and they die anyway. People driven to starvation, murdered for stealing bread to survive. But if that makes them submit to loyalty and me a traitor, they can go for it. Yeah I don't really get the flag loyalty thing in the UK... I did growing up as it's what I was taught... But then you see homelessness, drug addidction, mental health and other issues affecting huge amounts of people and no one does anything about it? It could be fixed instantly but people only care about themselves... Some national pride that is. Then you get the endless wars, again I was brought up to idolise those fallen hero's of the world wars... Then Iraq/afgan happens, live bombings broadcast on BBC, webpages with live tallies of deaths and destruction, mass murder of innocent people, and for what? The 'hero's' from this war sent home to wait for charity donations... "Everyone give to help to hero's, the government & queen are a bit low on cash right now". Now it seems national pride is built on building walls on the borders & hating anyone who doesn't bow to their racist ideology, the UK proudly creating globalisation and then sh1tting it's pants when problems arise from it. A nation of bootlickers born to serve. What do you do about it? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 21:22:36 GMT
Yeah I don't really get the flag loyalty thing in the UK... I did growing up as it's what I was taught... But then you see homelessness, drug addidction, mental health and other issues affecting huge amounts of people and no one does anything about it? It could be fixed instantly but people only care about themselves... Some national pride that is. Then you get the endless wars, again I was brought up to idolise those fallen hero's of the world wars... Then Iraq/afgan happens, live bombings broadcast on BBC, webpages with live tallies of deaths and destruction, mass murder of innocent people, and for what? The 'hero's' from this war sent home to wait for charity donations... "Everyone give to help to hero's, the government & queen are a bit low on cash right now". Now it seems national pride is built on building walls on the borders & hating anyone who doesn't bow to their racist ideology, the UK proudly creating globalisation and then sh1tting it's pants when problems arise from it. A nation of bootlickers born to serve. What do you do about it? About what? |
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Post by aghast on Nov 7, 2020 21:30:39 GMT
It's not political correctness or liberal lefties who made flying the flag an issue in this country.
It's the hate-filled right wing racists who adopted it and used it as their emblem on marches, on slogans, on banners and at every opportunity to show they despise everyone who happens to be a different colour or culture.
That's why it has been tainted.
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 7, 2020 21:45:09 GMT
You said, you see homelessness, drug addiction, mental health and other issues affecting huge amounts of people and no one does anything about it. |
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