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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 10:22:38 GMT
But we're not a financial basket case. So whilst that is a skill, it isn't one that we need. We're reasonably sound off the pitch. What we need is someone that can do the business on it. And yes, he took them to eight, once. That season was sandwiched between a season of scraping survival and relegation. Just hasn't done enough at L1 level, for me. If he is the man, he'll get my full support. I just think we should strive for better. We have been a financial basket case and continue to lose extraordinary amounts of money every year. Scraping survival for a club of Exeter's size is an achievement at this level, the fact he got them to 8th was remarkable. With his record of developing players I think he fits the mould of what we are looking for right now. I wouldn't describe us as a basket case though. We lose money as most clubs do. Wigan are a basket case - they could do with Tis. And yeah he got them to 8th, but it was a one off. You could counter that with his performance with MK Dons in League 1. I don't want a manager to focus on balancing the books, that's for our board to do. I want the manager focused on the pitch and pushing towards the top end of League 1. |
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Post by Gassy on Nov 17, 2020 10:28:43 GMT
For me it’s got to be
1. Cook (far too out of our reach though)
2. Daniel Stendel
I believe we should do everything we can to get them into the club.
The other candidates being touted just dont excite me if I’m honest.
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Post by alanrg on Nov 17, 2020 10:29:14 GMT
a big no 4 me re Tisdale 4 me Paul Cook or Daniel Stendel
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Post by casey12a on Nov 17, 2020 10:36:01 GMT
I put Michael Duff in the mix if he'd leave Cheltenham.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 17, 2020 10:43:24 GMT
I put Michael Duff in the mix if he'd leave Cheltenham. | Manager | Matches | W | D | L | PPM | Win Rate | Draw Rate | Loss Rate | | Michael Duff | 107 | 47 | 27 | 33 | 1.57 | 44% | 25% | 31% |
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Post by pirate on Nov 17, 2020 10:52:19 GMT
We have been a financial basket case and continue to lose extraordinary amounts of money every year. Scraping survival for a club of Exeter's size is an achievement at this level, the fact he got them to 8th was remarkable. With his record of developing players I think he fits the mould of what we are looking for right now. I wouldn't describe us as a basket case though. We lose money as most clubs do. Wigan are a basket case - they could do with Tis. And yeah he got them to 8th, but it was a one off. You could counter that with his performance with MK Dons in League 1. I don't want a manager to focus on balancing the books, that's for our board to do. I want the manager focused on the pitch and pushing towards the top end of League 1. Before the recent capitalisation it was announced we were £24 million in debt and losing £3.4m a year, about as close as a "basket case" as you can get. As far as Tisdale's time at MK Dons is concerned, he went in and stabilised a club that was in a downward spiral, going from the Championship to League Two in three seasons, and then got them promoted back to League One at the first attempt. He was sacked the following season without being given a chance to turn things around, with his two main strikers (Rhys Healey/Joe Mason) and back up striker (Sam Nombe) out injured. What a signing Healey turned out to be by the way, bought for £200k and later sold for £1.1m. |
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 11:13:09 GMT
I wouldn't describe us as a basket case though. We lose money as most clubs do. Wigan are a basket case - they could do with Tis. And yeah he got them to 8th, but it was a one off. You could counter that with his performance with MK Dons in League 1. I don't want a manager to focus on balancing the books, that's for our board to do. I want the manager focused on the pitch and pushing towards the top end of League 1. Before the recent capitalisation it was announced we were £24 million in debt and losing £3.4m a year, about as close as a "basket case" as you can get. As far as Tisdale's time at MK Dons is concerned, he went in and stabilised a club that was in a downward spiral, going from the Championship to League Two in three seasons, and then got them promoted back to League One at the first attempt. He was sacked the following season without being given a chance to turn things around, with his two main strikers (Rhys Healey/Joe Mason) and back up striker (Sam Nombe) out injured. What a signing Healey turned out to be by the way, bought for £200k and later sold for £1.1m. If we are a basket case, why are we signing the quality of players we are? That's the point that I am really making, we are investing with ambition on the pitch. Why wouldn't we try to do the same for the management? It just wouldn't make sense. I'm not saying we will get Paul Cook etc. but I would be disappointed if we weren't trying very hard. Look at Mansfield getting Clough... Back to Tis, there are always excuses, you could even make some for Garner. Shall we re-hire him and give him another chance? The facts are that he has has four seasons in L1: Scraped survival Eight place Relegated Sacked after getting one point from first nine games Not a glowing record. We are an established, mid-table L1 team with ambitions to push on - just don't think Tisdale's CV ticks that box. He has lots of attributes for a team, just not us. Put it this way, I imagine Tis wouldn't believe his luck if he got offered the job, which says something. |
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Post by TAGas on Nov 17, 2020 11:15:30 GMT
I wouldn't describe us as a basket case though. We lose money as most clubs do. Wigan are a basket case - they could do with Tis. And yeah he got them to 8th, but it was a one off. You could counter that with his performance with MK Dons in League 1. I don't want a manager to focus on balancing the books, that's for our board to do. I want the manager focused on the pitch and pushing towards the top end of League 1. Before the recent capitalisation it was announced we were £24 million in debt and losing £3.4m a year, about as close as a "basket case" as you can get. As far as Tisdale's time at MK Dons is concerned, he went in and stabilised a club that was in a downward spiral, going from the Championship to League Two in three seasons, and then got them promoted back to League One at the first attempt. He was sacked the following season without being given a chance to turn things around, with his two main strikers (Rhys Healey/Joe Mason) and back up striker (Sam Nombe) out injured. What a signing Healey turned out to be by the way, bought for £200k and later sold for £1.1m. Do you know if Tisdale negotiated the price or the MK Don's board to get 1.1M? Either way I don't feel that's enough to justify why he should get the Rovers Job. JCH was a free and and was sold for a reported 1.25m |
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 17, 2020 11:16:02 GMT
I put Michael Duff in the mix if he'd leave Cheltenham. | Manager | Matches | W | D | L | PPM | Win Rate | Draw Rate | Loss Rate | | Michael Duff | 107 | 47 | 27 | 33 | 1.57 | 44% | 25% | 31% |
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Post by TAGas on Nov 17, 2020 11:17:39 GMT
Before the recent capitalisation it was announced we were £24 million in debt and losing £3.4m a year, about as close as a "basket case" as you can get. As far as Tisdale's time at MK Dons is concerned, he went in and stabilised a club that was in a downward spiral, going from the Championship to League Two in three seasons, and then got them promoted back to League One at the first attempt. He was sacked the following season without being given a chance to turn things around, with his two main strikers (Rhys Healey/Joe Mason) and back up striker (Sam Nombe) out injured. What a signing Healey turned out to be by the way, bought for £200k and later sold for £1.1m. If we are a basket case, why are we signing the quality of players we are? That's the point that I am really making, we are investing with ambition on the pitch. Why wouldn't we try to do the same for the management? It just wouldn't make sense. I'm not saying we will get Paul Cook etc. but I would be disappointed if we weren't trying very hard. Look at Mansfield getting Clough... Back to Tis, there are always excuses, you could even make some for Garner. Shall we re-hire him and give him another chance? The facts are that he has has four seasons in L1: Scraped survival Eight place Relegated Sacked after getting one point from first nine games Not a glowing record. We are an established, mid-table L1 team with ambitions to push on - just don't think Tisdale's CV ticks that box. He has lots of attributes for a team, just not us. Put it this way, I imagine Tis wouldn't believe his luck if he got offered the job, which says something. I 100% agree with this. Well said 👏 |
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Post by pirate on Nov 17, 2020 11:20:21 GMT
Before the recent capitalisation it was announced we were £24 million in debt and losing £3.4m a year, about as close as a "basket case" as you can get. As far as Tisdale's time at MK Dons is concerned, he went in and stabilised a club that was in a downward spiral, going from the Championship to League Two in three seasons, and then got them promoted back to League One at the first attempt. He was sacked the following season without being given a chance to turn things around, with his two main strikers (Rhys Healey/Joe Mason) and back up striker (Sam Nombe) out injured. What a signing Healey turned out to be by the way, bought for £200k and later sold for £1.1m. If we are a basket case, why are we signing the quality of players we are? That's the point that I am really making, we are investing with ambition on the pitch. Why wouldn't we try to do the same for the management? It just wouldn't make sense. I'm not saying we will get Paul Cook etc. but I would be disappointed if we weren't trying very hard. Look at Mansfield getting Clough... Back to Tis, there are always excuses, you could even make some for Garner. Shall we re-hire him and give him another chance? The facts are that he has has four seasons in L1: Scraped survival Eight place Relegated Sacked after getting one point from first nine games Not a glowing record. We are an established, mid-table L1 team with ambitions to push on - just don't think Tisdale's CV ticks that box. He has lots of attributes for a team, just not us. Put it this way, I imagine Tis wouldn't believe his luck if he got offered the job, which says something. We can keep going over the same ground, I think he'd be ideally suited and the right man at the right time and you don't. We'll have to agree to disagree. |
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Post by pirate on Nov 17, 2020 11:21:43 GMT
Before the recent capitalisation it was announced we were £24 million in debt and losing £3.4m a year, about as close as a "basket case" as you can get. As far as Tisdale's time at MK Dons is concerned, he went in and stabilised a club that was in a downward spiral, going from the Championship to League Two in three seasons, and then got them promoted back to League One at the first attempt. He was sacked the following season without being given a chance to turn things around, with his two main strikers (Rhys Healey/Joe Mason) and back up striker (Sam Nombe) out injured. What a signing Healey turned out to be by the way, bought for £200k and later sold for £1.1m. Do you know if Tisdale negotiated the price or the MK Don's board to get 1.1M? Either way I don't feel that's enough to justify why he should get the Rovers Job. JCH was a free and and was sold for a reported 1.25m Obviously Tisdale wasn't at the club when he was sold as you know, but he was still a Tisdale signing. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 17, 2020 11:26:30 GMT
For me it’s got to be 1. Cook (far too out of our reach though) 2. Daniel Stendel I believe we should do everything we can to get them into the club. The other candidates being touted just dont excite me if I’m honest. I don't get the obsession with Stendel, he seems to have had one decent season at Barnsley followed by a couple of shockers: "On 8 October 2019, Stendel was sacked as head coach (of Barnsely) following a run of ten games without a win. Stendel was appointed manager of Scottish club Hearts in December 2019, on a contract due to run until the summer of 2022. Hearts were bottom of the 2019–20 Scottish Premiership at the time the league was suspended, and were subsequently relegated when the league was curtailed. Stendel had a clause in his contract which meant that it was no longer in effect if Hearts were relegated from the Premiership" Tisdale's apparently not wanted as he just had the one poor season with MK Dons. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 11:27:55 GMT
Apart from finishing in eighth place – equalling Exeter's highest ever league finish. Good point, but that was a long time ago. If we do sign him and he does do well I'll eat my hat. That’s my issue, as a manager you can quickly become yesterday’s man, McGhee, Coppell advising BG etc. Tisdale seems self aware enough to keep up with modern approaches but for me, even as long as he has been out of the game allied with his bad run at MK Dons last time he was in this division rings alarm bells. I’d prefer someone like Stengel, preferably Cook, or then Duff. Tisdale would be a bit of a poor man’s choice imo based on his recent history. Tisdale has however ticked the boxes at one point in his career and I expect it will be him as a result, but Mark McGhee ticked the boxes at one point yet he was appallingly out of touch by the time he came to us. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 17, 2020 11:30:56 GMT
The facts are that he has has four seasons in L1: Scraped survival Eight place Relegated Sacked after getting one point from first nine games Not a glowing record. We are an established, mid-table L1 team with ambitions to push on - just don't think Tisdale's CV ticks that box. He has lots of attributes for a team, just not us. Put it this way, I imagine Tis wouldn't believe his luck if he got offered the job, which says something. Thing is the context is missing here. For starters, he got Exeter to the league in the first place which was punching above their weight for the budget, size of the club, and considering the fact they’d started off in the Conference having almost gone bust. Those stats are the equivalent to us making it into the Championship and hanging on for a few seasons. I don’t think we’d begrudge out next manager achieving that (assuming we don’t have new facilities to take us to the next level metaphorically) |
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 17, 2020 11:49:36 GMT
| Manager | Matches | W | D | L | PPM | Win Rate | Draw Rate | Loss Rate | | Michael Duff | 107 | 47 | 27 | 33 | 1.57 | 44% | 25% | 31% |
what are matt Taylor's stats? | Manager | Matches | W | D | L | PPM | Win Rate | Draw Rate | Loss Rate | | Matt Taylor | 120 | 56 | 32 | 32 | 1.67 | 47% | 27% | 27% |
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Post by TugPhase on Nov 17, 2020 11:55:02 GMT
The facts are that he has has four seasons in L1: Scraped survival Eight place Relegated Sacked after getting one point from first nine games Not a glowing record. We are an established, mid-table L1 team with ambitions to push on - just don't think Tisdale's CV ticks that box. He has lots of attributes for a team, just not us. Put it this way, I imagine Tis wouldn't believe his luck if he got offered the job, which says something. Thing is the context is missing here. For starters, he got Exeter to the league in the first place which was punching above their weight for the budget, size of the club, and considering the fact they’d started off in the Conference having almost gone bust. Those stats are the equivalent to us making it into the Championship and hanging on for a few seasons. I don’t think we’d begrudge out next manager achieving that (assuming we don’t have new facilities to take us to the next level metaphorically) I don't think Exeter were punching above their weight by getting into the football league, they had only been out of it for a few years! And I don't think they were performing miracles by getting into and surviving in L1 either (they nearly came up again last year, for example). I'm sure there are, or have been, much smaller teams at this level doing better than they did. And MK are certainly a club more than capable of competing at this level. As Pirate says I think I am going in loops here. I just don't think it would be a great appointment, especially with our current squad. I feel like there is an opportunity to really push on and I want someone that has done well at this level. But if it is him he will get my full support. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 17, 2020 12:06:34 GMT
Good point, but that was a long time ago. If we do sign him and he does do well I'll eat my hat. That’s my issue, as a manager you can quickly become yesterday’s man, McGhee, Coppell advising BG etc. Tisdale seems self aware enough to keep up with modern approaches but for me, even as long as he has been out of the game allied with his bad run at MK Dons last time he was in this division rings alarm bells. I’d prefer someone like Stengel, preferably Cook, or then Duff. Tisdale would be a bit of a poor man’s choice imo based on his recent history. Tisdale has however ticked the boxes at one point in his career and I expect it will be him as a result, but Mark McGhee ticked the boxes at one point yet he was appallingly out of touch by the time he came to us. That's true, but at the same time fans moan that other manager's don't have enough experience. Most manager's that have the experience and did well in their last job, will be looking higher than us. Cook is probably the only manager that will fit both categories, but he will be wanted be bigger clubs, for that reason and will probably want too much money, for those reasons. Another manager without many seasons under his belt is Exeter's current manager Matt Taylor. Unlucky not to go up the last two seasons, playing some good football. Last season they were in the top 3 all season nearly. They hammered Plymouth and were above them all season. They dropped below them a week or two before the early finish to the season! Think of the season finished any other time, they would have went up. Lost some of his better player's the year before and still did ok. With him Duff and Flynn there are a few managers doing well, that are in the South West. |
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Post by pucklegas on Nov 17, 2020 12:10:46 GMT
Wael can sell paul cook his dream, after his Wigan nightmare this would be "a holiday in the sun," and he is "pretty vacant"
No compensation proven winner it's a no brainer, lets be fair who thought ollie would take the Grimsbury job!
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 17, 2020 12:22:20 GMT
what are matt Taylor's stats? | Manager | Matches | W | D | L | PPM | Win Rate | Draw Rate | Loss Rate | | Matt Taylor | 120 | 56 | 32 | 32 | 1.67 | 47% | 27% | 27% |
under the radar.yet better stats then most.this is the guy we should be setting our sights on |
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