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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 19, 2020 13:16:20 GMT
“Who would want to come here?” hopefully Wael has a bit more enthusiasm when it comes to selling the club The fact you key avoiding the question, should tell you, it's not that easy. Name a manager who you want, who you think we can get and is better. Anyone can say, I want someone who has had success, don't we all?? Thankfully it’s not my full time job but I think it’s reasonable to outline the criteria of someone who has shown leadership qualities at a higher level and achieved a degree of success at a higher level then begin your search. As I said I’m sure Widdington and the coaching staff are capable of running the show during the interim period. As far as who we can get, I wouldn’t know of course as I’ve no idea what budget has been set aside for the appointment. My views on Tisdale is not that he’s a bad manager or a bad person I just feel the appointment would show a lack of ambition and imagination. That would surprise me of Wael but not of Starnes |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 13:47:30 GMT
The fact a wimbledon stealer took time from his day to slag PT off, says it all! Bitter! Got no time for saddos like that! UTG
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2020 13:51:48 GMT
Just a pity no Exeter fans have shown up on here with their opinions of the man. Wnenever I have seen Exeter over the years, probably seen 10 of the twelve games we played against his sides, I always thought they played very good football. In total we won 5, lost 5 and drew 2 against Exeter in that time. I find it very sad when people are slagging the man off before he comes through the door and some of those the same people who slagged off DC for taking us to the Conference and very conveniently forgot to mention that their hero John Ward was responsible. We all know how that went and the very same people jumped on the DC is a hero bandwagon twelve months later and then after another twelve months they proclaimed him as a legend. It does not worry me what the man wears on a match day, lucky him to have a top designer/ business man as a friend. He gets slagged for that as well, in spite of the fact he has qualified that in his podcast by stating he wears a tracksuit for all the rest of the time on the training ground etc. All the best to him I say and hope he proves the doubters wrong if he indeed is the man. Yes bideford this gives a good perspective, agree with this. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 13:52:53 GMT
Why is criticism twisted into slagging off? Our MK Dons friend has given a well reasoned view in my opinion, hardly the stuff of character assassinations. Some people are obviously really hormonal and highly strung at the moment!
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Post by exiledgrecian on Nov 19, 2020 13:53:28 GMT
Exeter fan here to give my take.
Upfront, I think he could be a great fit for you. Local, loves a "project" and based on my impression of Rovers with the new ownership, this could work really well.
That being said, I think that there's a few things that are possibly being misrepresented on this forum about his time with us.
Firstly, he won't be the cheap option. When he was with us towards the end, he was allegedly one of the highest paid managers outside of the Championship. The contract he had was a disaster for the club (2 year rolling) and the Trust called time on that at a point when we were bottom on the league - with the knowledge being that that contract alone could have severe financial consequences if we got relegated. We ended up in the play-off final that season, and the season after, but it was the right call at the time. He also has a variety of other business interests (check out his website), so my guess is that it would have to be an attractive offer to bring him back to football.
Style of football varies alot. We did play excellent stuff at the start of his tenure, probably through to L1, and that reputation for us has stuck with the media still to this day, despite having a new manager. As our pitch deteriorated though, and quality of player dropped, we went more direct. To that extent, he is good at adjusting his style of play to maximise what he has at hand. The one dead cert is that he will want an intelligent ball player in midfield (traditionally Ryan Harley who he took to MK with him) to dictate the tempo of the game, but what that tempo will be could be anything!
His "philosophy" therefore isn't based on style. It's about getting value. Maximising both points on the pitch, and revenues from sales. A key example of this was when he played Matt Oakley and Danny Butterfield as a CB pairing, to ensure the ball could be passed out to Matt Grimes. The thinking being that if Grimes got lots of the ball, his stats would fly, causing interest from elsewhere. He was sold to Swansea that January for £1.5m... If the club buy in to him, he'll buy in to the project and fully commit, although he will want to have an input into all parts of the business. I don't get the impression he ever had that level of backing at MK, from fans or ownership, and he certainly lost that towards the end at Exeter. He's quite passive on the sidelines, makes substitutions later than you'd want, does make strange team selections (as the MK fan said), has clear favourites and does not take criticism from fans well at all. That being said, players seems to absolutely love him. In numerous interviews with ex-City players, including the ones who I wouldn't have thought sat in his favourites group, they all tend to list Tisdale as one of the best they've worked under.
If he does get the job, I'd be cautiously excited, as long as he gets long term backing. With a decent budget (better than ours at least), and a united ownership and fan base, I think he could do wonders. But he'll need time. This season could be a struggle.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2020 14:09:06 GMT
Well we’ve got two views which are quite different from his two previous league teams. The MKD fan admitted he didn’t like the football and couldn’t wait for him to leave, so obviously not a fan. Which surprise me after they had got promotion in the one season with them. They obviously expected to walk the league, not come third. That’s what I call a sense of entitlement. The Exeter fan comes on and has a longer period to call on and makes some reasoned arguments for and against Tisdale.
In the end those who are happy if he were to become boss will vere towards the Exeter view whilst those who don’t want him will use the MKD fan as a reason not to appoint him. I know which fan base I’d rather believe and I’m not even advocating him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 14:21:21 GMT
Some interesting stuff there from our Grecian friend.
One imagines the board would be enamoured with the approach of building your team around a certain player to boost their stats and get a top fee for them. The downside is surely that the team must always be in flux because you are pumping your stock ready to sell it in the next window.
On the whole that synopsis does paint Tisdale in a better light- it seems that his performance in the past has been tailored to the conditions in which he has found himself. I’ve warmed to him a bit.....
...but I find it interesting that he won’t be the cheap option and if anything will probably be the expensive option if it will take reasonable money to tempt him away from his other commitments. I can’t help but feel if we are going to pay top whack could we not spend it more wisely?
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 19, 2020 14:22:12 GMT
Well we’ve got two views which are quite different from his two previous league teams. The MKD fan admitted he didn’t like the football and couldn’t wait for him to leave, so obviously not a fan. Which surprise me after they had got promotion in the one season with them. They obviously expected to walk the league, not come third. That’s what I call a sense of entitlement. The Exeter fan comes on and has a longer period to call on and makes some reasoned arguments for and against Tisdale. In the end those who are happy if he were to become boss will vere towards the Exeter view whilst those who don’t want him will use the MKD fan as a reason not to appoint him. I know which fan base I’d rather believe and I’m not even advocating him. UTG! Don't think MK Dons fans appreciate, what it takes to do straight back up. Were didn't walk the national league, when we first went to League 2, we were going to walk it. Sunderland and Ipswich etc were going to walk League 1. It's not as easy as fans think. Going up at the first time of asking, is always an achievement, what ever the budget. There is a reason they went down from League 1, the year before. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 19, 2020 14:27:04 GMT
Exeter fan here to give my take. Upfront, I think he could be a great fit for you. Local, loves a "project" and based on my impression of Rovers with the new ownership, this could work really well. That being said, I think that there's a few things that are possibly being misrepresented on this forum about his time with us. Firstly, he won't be the cheap option. When he was with us towards the end, he was allegedly one of the highest paid managers outside of the Championship. The contract he had was a disaster for the club (2 year rolling) and the Trust called time on that at a point when we were bottom on the league - with the knowledge being that that contract alone could have severe financial consequences if we got relegated. We ended up in the play-off final that season, and the season after, but it was the right call at the time. He also has a variety of other business interests (check out his website), so my guess is that it would have to be an attractive offer to bring him back to football. Style of football varies alot. We did play excellent stuff at the start of his tenure, probably through to L1, and that reputation for us has stuck with the media still to this day, despite having a new manager. As our pitch deteriorated though, and quality of player dropped, we went more direct. To that extent, he is good at adjusting his style of play to maximise what he has at hand. The one dead cert is that he will want an intelligent ball player in midfield (traditionally Ryan Harley who he took to MK with him) to dictate the tempo of the game, but what that tempo will be could be anything! His "philosophy" therefore isn't based on style. It's about getting value. Maximising both points on the pitch, and revenues from sales. A key example of this was when he played Matt Oakley and Danny Butterfield as a CB pairing, to ensure the ball could be passed out to Matt Grimes. The thinking being that if Grimes got lots of the ball, his stats would fly, causing interest from elsewhere. He was sold to Swansea that January for £1.5m... If the club buy in to him, he'll buy in to the project and fully commit, although he will want to have an input into all parts of the business. I don't get the impression he ever had that level of backing at MK, from fans or ownership, and he certainly lost that towards the end at Exeter. He's quite passive on the sidelines, makes substitutions later than you'd want, does make strange team selections (as the MK fan said), has clear favourites and does not take criticism from fans well at all. That being said, players seems to absolutely love him. In numerous interviews with ex-City players, including the ones who I wouldn't have thought sat in his favourites group, they all tend to list Tisdale as one of the best they've worked under. If he does get the job, I'd be cautiously excited, as long as he gets long term backing. With a decent budget (better than ours at least), and a united ownership and fan base, I think he could do wonders. But he'll need time. This season could be a struggle. Thanks for the post, sounds mainly positive and to be fair, every manager will have fault's. |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2020 14:32:03 GMT
Well we’ve got two views which are quite different from his two previous league teams. The MKD fan admitted he didn’t like the football and couldn’t wait for him to leave, so obviously not a fan. Which surprise me after they had got promotion in the one season with them. They obviously expected to walk the league, not come third. That’s what I call a sense of entitlement. The Exeter fan comes on and has a longer period to call on and makes some reasoned arguments for and against Tisdale. In the end those who are happy if he were to become boss will vere towards the Exeter view whilst those who don’t want him will use the MKD fan as a reason not to appoint him. I know which fan base I’d rather believe and I’m not even advocating him. UTG! Don't think MK Dons fans appreciate, what it takes to do straight back up. Were didn't walk the national league, when we first went to League 2, we were going to walk it. Sunderland and Ipswich etc were going to walk League 1. It's not as easy as fans think. Going up at the first time of asking, is always an achievement, what ever the budget. There is a reason they went down from League 1, the year before. Yes, agree. I’m sure MKD fans don’t appreciate much, they have what, 19 years or so to call on so many of them might feel that throwing money at something, having the biggest budget, should make it easy. Most other clubs will know that it doesn’t work that way all the time. UTG! |
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 19, 2020 14:50:04 GMT
Exeter fan here to give my take. Upfront, I think he could be a great fit for you. Local, loves a "project" and based on my impression of Rovers with the new ownership, this could work really well. That being said, I think that there's a few things that are possibly being misrepresented on this forum about his time with us. Firstly, he won't be the cheap option. When he was with us towards the end, he was allegedly one of the highest paid managers outside of the Championship. The contract he had was a disaster for the club (2 year rolling) and the Trust called time on that at a point when we were bottom on the league - with the knowledge being that that contract alone could have severe financial consequences if we got relegated. We ended up in the play-off final that season, and the season after, but it was the right call at the time. He also has a variety of other business interests (check out his website), so my guess is that it would have to be an attractive offer to bring him back to football. Style of football varies alot. We did play excellent stuff at the start of his tenure, probably through to L1, and that reputation for us has stuck with the media still to this day, despite having a new manager. As our pitch deteriorated though, and quality of player dropped, we went more direct. To that extent, he is good at adjusting his style of play to maximise what he has at hand. The one dead cert is that he will want an intelligent ball player in midfield (traditionally Ryan Harley who he took to MK with him) to dictate the tempo of the game, but what that tempo will be could be anything! His "philosophy" therefore isn't based on style. It's about getting value. Maximising both points on the pitch, and revenues from sales. A key example of this was when he played Matt Oakley and Danny Butterfield as a CB pairing, to ensure the ball could be passed out to Matt Grimes. The thinking being that if Grimes got lots of the ball, his stats would fly, causing interest from elsewhere. He was sold to Swansea that January for £1.5m... If the club buy in to him, he'll buy in to the project and fully commit, although he will want to have an input into all parts of the business. I don't get the impression he ever had that level of backing at MK, from fans or ownership, and he certainly lost that towards the end at Exeter. He's quite passive on the sidelines, makes substitutions later than you'd want, does make strange team selections (as the MK fan said), has clear favourites and does not take criticism from fans well at all. That being said, players seems to absolutely love him. In numerous interviews with ex-City players, including the ones who I wouldn't have thought sat in his favourites group, they all tend to list Tisdale as one of the best they've worked under. If he does get the job, I'd be cautiously excited, as long as he gets long term backing. With a decent budget (better than ours at least), and a united ownership and fan base, I think he could do wonders. But he'll need time. This season could be a struggle. what's your thoughts on matt taylor |
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Post by TAGas on Nov 19, 2020 15:03:20 GMT
If Tisdale's got the job I think he'll be announced tomorrow.
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Post by exiledgrecian on Nov 19, 2020 15:07:09 GMT
Some interesting stuff there from our Grecian friend. One imagines the board would be enamoured with the approach of building your team around a certain player to boost their stats and get a top fee for them. The downside is surely that the team must always be in flux because you are pumping your stock ready to sell it in the next window. On the whole that synopsis does paint Tisdale in a better light- it seems that his performance in the past has been tailored to the conditions in which he has found himself. I’ve warmed to him a bit..... ...but I find it interesting that he won’t be the cheap option and if anything will probably be the expensive option if it will take reasonable money to tempt him away from his other commitments. I can’t help but feel if we are going to pay top whack could we not spend it more wisely? It was a really bad period for the club tbh. We started that season under a transfer embargo, and finances were a priority, was why Tisdale's sole focus was putting Grimes in the shop window. But, during that period, we only won 1, maybe 2, home games in the calendar year. You'll find much harsher criticism from a number of our fans about him, and this was when he started to implode a bit (re my point around not taking criticism well!) but I do wonder if if we hadn't have had a manager like Tis, what might have happened to us financially. The one thing that does irk me, is he tries to take credit for the development of our academy. I actually don't think he's great at bringing players through, it's more by fortune that there was this talent in our academy (Grimes, Watkins, Ampadu). Our current manager gives much more time to our academy grads that Tis ever did! |
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Post by exiledgrecian on Nov 19, 2020 15:17:39 GMT
Exeter fan here to give my take. Upfront, I think he could be a great fit for you. Local, loves a "project" and based on my impression of Rovers with the new ownership, this could work really well. That being said, I think that there's a few things that are possibly being misrepresented on this forum about his time with us. Firstly, he won't be the cheap option. When he was with us towards the end, he was allegedly one of the highest paid managers outside of the Championship. The contract he had was a disaster for the club (2 year rolling) and the Trust called time on that at a point when we were bottom on the league - with the knowledge being that that contract alone could have severe financial consequences if we got relegated. We ended up in the play-off final that season, and the season after, but it was the right call at the time. He also has a variety of other business interests (check out his website), so my guess is that it would have to be an attractive offer to bring him back to football. Style of football varies alot. We did play excellent stuff at the start of his tenure, probably through to L1, and that reputation for us has stuck with the media still to this day, despite having a new manager. As our pitch deteriorated though, and quality of player dropped, we went more direct. To that extent, he is good at adjusting his style of play to maximise what he has at hand. The one dead cert is that he will want an intelligent ball player in midfield (traditionally Ryan Harley who he took to MK with him) to dictate the tempo of the game, but what that tempo will be could be anything! His "philosophy" therefore isn't based on style. It's about getting value. Maximising both points on the pitch, and revenues from sales. A key example of this was when he played Matt Oakley and Danny Butterfield as a CB pairing, to ensure the ball could be passed out to Matt Grimes. The thinking being that if Grimes got lots of the ball, his stats would fly, causing interest from elsewhere. He was sold to Swansea that January for £1.5m... If the club buy in to him, he'll buy in to the project and fully commit, although he will want to have an input into all parts of the business. I don't get the impression he ever had that level of backing at MK, from fans or ownership, and he certainly lost that towards the end at Exeter. He's quite passive on the sidelines, makes substitutions later than you'd want, does make strange team selections (as the MK fan said), has clear favourites and does not take criticism from fans well at all. That being said, players seems to absolutely love him. In numerous interviews with ex-City players, including the ones who I wouldn't have thought sat in his favourites group, they all tend to list Tisdale as one of the best they've worked under. If he does get the job, I'd be cautiously excited, as long as he gets long term backing. With a decent budget (better than ours at least), and a united ownership and fan base, I think he could do wonders. But he'll need time. This season could be a struggle. what's your thoughts on matt taylor Mixed. Like Tis, he doesn't really have a fixed style of play. He promised us fast, attack minded football when he started, but we ended up playing most of last season in some weird inverted wingback experiment. It feels like he now finally has the squad for what he wants to do, but we're still very direct (despite Quest telling us how we're a "footballing" side) But, what he's done really well on is bringing players through from the academy. He managed our U23's before Tis left, and you can tell as he's given that group loads of game time this year (albeit due to less signings as a result of covid), and there's a few who could easily be sold for £1m plus, based on our recent sales. |
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Post by rosssgb on Nov 19, 2020 15:27:47 GMT
Christ, this thread made for heavy reading! I hope Tisdale or his friends/family aren’t reading this forum. Anyway... I for one would be happy if we appoint Tisdale (Let’s face it, as others have said anything is an improvement on BG). As long as we play open attacking football I don’t mind who the new boss is. I’d rather lose a game 4-3 than sit through a 0-0. * As today is international men’s mental health day, and going by some of the posts I’ve read on this thread and others, if you’re feeling down make sure you talk to someone about it. It’s okay not to be okay, and we’re living in strange times! Or, if your outlet is ranting about a bloke who hasn’t even been appointed yet, I guess do that as well. Stay safe & UTFG  |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 19, 2020 15:28:21 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 19, 2020 15:30:34 GMT
Tisdale appointed
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Post by gregsy on Nov 19, 2020 15:31:07 GMT
Such a beautiful photo....
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 19, 2020 15:31:30 GMT
www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2020/november/paul-tisdale-manager-rovers-bristol/Bristol Rovers Football Club is delighted to announce Paul Tisdale as its new First Team Manager. CEO Martyn Starnes said Tisdale's qualities "mirror that of the Club’s' ongoing strategy to build a ‘Bristol Rovers DNA’, with the new Manager signing a two and a half year deal. Tisdale's career path is a unique one, with spells in English, Finnish and Greek football allowing the former-midfielder to pick up a variety of footballing styles. Following the turn of the millennium, Tisdale was forced to hang up his boots early due to injury, with periods at Southampton, Panionios featuring as the highlights of his playing career. Following the conclusion of his playing days, Tisdale returned to familiar territory from his childhood, the city of Bath. There, he took charge of the University of Bath football team between 1999 and 2006. In that time, Tisdale raised eyebrows by entering his university side into the FA Cup in the 2002-03 season, progressing through four qualifying rounds with his squad of students to reach the first round proper. There, his side was beaten by League opposition, but his team's journey would remain remarkable. In 2006, Tisdale took the managerial post at Exeter City, taking over with the club in the National League. In his first campaign in charge, the Malta-Born manager took the Devonshire side to a 5th place finish, before being beaten 2-1 in the 06/07 Play-Off final. Tisdale would ensure Exeter's spell in the National League went no further in the following campaign, finding redemption for his previous Play-Off Final pain with a 1-0 victory over Cambridge United in the 07/08 season, Tisdale's first promotion in management. This play-off success acted as a springboard for further progression, in a way that reflects similar recent successes for the Gas, as Tisdale propelled his side to back-to-back promotions taking Exeter City to League One automatically a season later. He guided Exeter to their highest ever league position and continued in the role until 2018, taking Exeter to the League Two Play-Off final twice in that period. At the end of the 2018 campaign though, the former-midfielder opted to leave the Devonshire side, ending his 12-year partnership with the club. Tisdale was the longest-serving manager in English football's top four divisions at the time of his departure. During his time at Exeter, Tisdale can be credited for the development of a number of players including current Premier League striker, Ollie Watkins, amongst others such as Ethan Ampadu, Matt Grimes, and George Friend. Most recently, Tisdale took on the post at MK Dons, where he successfully halted the club's decline from the Championship and delivered promotion back from League Two at the first attempt, finishing 3rd. The 47-year-old now steps into life at BS7, with a Rovers side he has met 12 times in his managerial career, taking control of his first game on Saturday, when the Gas play Swindon Town. Speaking on the appointment, CEO Martyn Starnes said, "We are delighted to welcome Paul to the football club." "Paul has a vast amount of experience in the game and has several promotions on his CV. His ambition and long-term goals mirror that of the Club's ongoing strategy, to build a Bristol Rovers DNA. "His track record of developing younger players is impressive and we believe he's the ideal person to maximise the full potential that the playing squad possesses. "We look forward to working closely with Paul to bring success to Bristol Rovers F.C.”
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