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Post by althepirate on Dec 3, 2020 10:01:12 GMT
Well after a good night sleep and letting the emotions cool down I decided to look at the facts. The main reality that we lost two nil at home. So what do the stats tell us? We had 28% more possession, more shots 17 in fact and more corners. To me this means that we create opportunities to score which is a great positive and reflects the recruitment of midfield players. The big minus is that only 3 were on target which reflects the lack of striker signings. The constant flux of our defence imo doesnt help the players and I yearn for Davies, Kilgour and Craig with GC's organisation. Tis is really struggling with extremely unbalanced recruitment under BG and TW who had the final say?
The danger now is stopping a loss of confidence in the team as they look at their position in the table especially with the young players.I think we need to get the defence right first and a stable team selection. I can't see much improvement in the strikers until Jan although I do think Ayunga can bring much needed strength to our forward play when fit again.
It was awful last night but 17 shots is encouraging and getting the balance between not trying too hard being fearful of missing a chance, combined with the pressure of our league position requires a certain skill. We have no choice but to support Tis and the players anything else won't be constructive. He has inherited a very difficult position.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 3, 2020 10:04:06 GMT
First time I turned off iFollow before the end - Waste of time and money
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 3, 2020 10:13:36 GMT
So what do the stats tell us? We had 28% more possession, more shots 17 in fact and more corners. To me this means that we create opportunities to score which is a great positive and reflects the recruitment of midfield players. The xG (measure of chance creation quality) from our first 14 matches suggests otherwise - only Wigan have created fewer good chances than us in L1 so far. Possession stats mean very little in terms of chance creation, especially against a side like Gillingham who are more than happy to have less of the ball and hit you on the counter. And looking at shots on its own can be very misleading IMO - Nicholson’s shot from 7/8 yards out last night counted the same as Josh Grant’s wild effort from outside the area. Unfortunately the in-depth stats suggest that we don’t create enough chances and that we don’t take enough of them when we do. |
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 3, 2020 10:14:36 GMT
Well after a good night sleep and letting the emotions cool down I decided to look at the facts. The main reality that we lost two nil at home. So what do the stats tell us? We had 28% more possession, more shots 17 in fact and more corners. To me this means that we create opportunities to score which is a great positive and reflects the recruitment of midfield players. The big minus is that only 3 were on target which reflects the lack of striker signings. The constant flux of our defence imo doesnt help the players and I yearn for Davies, Kilgour and Craig with GC's organisation. Tis is really struggling with extremely unbalanced recruitment under BG and TW who had the final say? The danger now is stopping a loss of confidence in the team as they look at their position in the table especially with the young players.I think we need to get the defence right first and a stable team selection. I can't see much improvement in the strikers until Jan although I do think Ayunga can bring much needed strength to our forward play when fit again. It was awful last night but 17 shots is encouraging and getting the balance between not trying too hard being fearful of missing a chance, combined with the pressure of our league position requires a certain skill. We have no choice but to support Tis and the players anything else won't be constructive. He has inherited a very difficult position. Agree with this,I would add the following: Loss of confidence is the biggest killer for any team in any sport and I want us to get a dirty win or draw pdq to reverse the momentum,if we go into the Xmas programme without anything in the run up we will be adrift and in a situation that will be extremely difficult to turn around with a young team. |
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Post by althepirate on Dec 3, 2020 10:24:14 GMT
Well after a good night sleep and letting the emotions cool down I decided to look at the facts. The main reality that we lost two nil at home. So what do the stats tell us? We had 28% more possession, more shots 17 in fact and more corners. To me this means that we create opportunities to score which is a great positive and reflects the recruitment of midfield players. The big minus is that only 3 were on target which reflects the lack of striker signings. The constant flux of our defence imo doesnt help the players and I yearn for Davies, Kilgour and Craig with GC's organisation. Tis is really struggling with extremely unbalanced recruitment under BG and TW who had the final say? The danger now is stopping a loss of confidence in the team as they look at their position in the table especially with the young players.I think we need to get the defence right first and a stable team selection. I can't see much improvement in the strikers until Jan although I do think Ayunga can bring much needed strength to our forward play when fit again. It was awful last night but 17 shots is encouraging and getting the balance between not trying too hard being fearful of missing a chance, combined with the pressure of our league position requires a certain skill. We have no choice but to support Tis and the players anything else won't be constructive. He has inherited a very difficult position. Agree with this,I would add the following: Loss of confidence is the biggest killer for any team in any sport and I want us to get a dirty win or draw pdq to reverse the momentum,if we go into the Xmas programme without anything in the run up we will be adrift and in a situation that will be extremely difficult to turn around with a young team. My thoughts entirely. |
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Post by althepirate on Dec 3, 2020 10:29:37 GMT
So what do the stats tell us? We had 28% more possession, more shots 17 in fact and more corners. To me this means that we create opportunities to score which is a great positive and reflects the recruitment of midfield players. The xG (measure of chance creation quality) from our first 14 matches suggests otherwise - only Wigan have created fewer good chances than us in L1 so far. Possession stats mean very little in terms of chance creation, especially against a side like Gillingham who are more than happy to have less of the ball and hit you on the counter. And looking at shots on its own can be very misleading IMO - Nicholson’s shot from 7/8 yards out last night counted the same as Josh Grant’s wild effort from outside the area. Unfortunately the in-depth stats suggest that we don’t create enough chances and that we don’t take enough of them when we do. Yes I completely agree that possession means little, but shots to me mean we have created an opportunity we think we can score from. How do your stats compare between BG and Tis regarding shots on target? I'm hoping Tis has improved this and is a result of the higher tempo we now play at. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 11:05:41 GMT
So what do the stats tell us? We had 28% more possession, more shots 17 in fact and more corners. To me this means that we create opportunities to score which is a great positive and reflects the recruitment of midfield players. The xG (measure of chance creation quality) from our first 14 matches suggests otherwise - only Wigan have created fewer good chances than us in L1 so far. Possession stats mean very little in terms of chance creation, especially against a side like Gillingham who are more than happy to have less of the ball and hit you on the counter. And looking at shots on its own can be very misleading IMO - Nicholson’s shot from 7/8 yards out last night counted the same as Josh Grant’s wild effort from outside the area. Unfortunately the in-depth stats suggest that we don’t create enough chances and that we don’t take enough of them when we do. True in some ways, but having a shot from distance, even if wildly off target, is indicative of a change in approach. Garner wanted us to walk the ball into the net arsenal style and that was reflected in our dismal efforts on goal. A shot, even if bad, can richochet kindly or go for a corner so can help you gain a foothold in the opposing half. We need more games to see how whether this change in attitude manifests itself in tangible improvements but it’s certainly one of the few positives we have to cling to at the moment, in my view |
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Post by althepirate on Dec 3, 2020 12:36:37 GMT
The xG (measure of chance creation quality) from our first 14 matches suggests otherwise - only Wigan have created fewer good chances than us in L1 so far. Possession stats mean very little in terms of chance creation, especially against a side like Gillingham who are more than happy to have less of the ball and hit you on the counter. And looking at shots on its own can be very misleading IMO - Nicholson’s shot from 7/8 yards out last night counted the same as Josh Grant’s wild effort from outside the area. Unfortunately the in-depth stats suggest that we don’t create enough chances and that we don’t take enough of them when we do. True in some ways, but having a shot from distance, even if wildly off target, is indicative of a change in approach. Garner wanted us to walk the ball into the net arsenal style and that was reflected in our dismal efforts on goal. A shot, even if bad, can richochet kindly or go for a corner so can help you gain a foothold in the opposing half. We need more games to see how whether this change in attitude manifests itself in tangible improvements but it’s certainly one of the few positives we have to cling to at the moment, in my view Yes agreed and I always thought more shots give a team a psychological advantage even if they aren't converted. The job now is to do exactly that. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Dec 3, 2020 19:12:47 GMT
Perhaps those zealots of possession football can begin to realise how worthless it is. According to the BBC, we had twice as much possessionm as Gillingham. It's what you do with the ball that counts - not how much you have it.
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Post by theduke on Dec 3, 2020 19:28:02 GMT
Perhaps those zealots of possession football can begin to realise how worthless it is. According to the BBC, we had twice as much possessionm as Gillingham. It's what you do with the ball that counts - not how much you have it. Wael and co were spooked by the declining attendances at the Mem under Coughlan. The side was performing well in the league table but despite that fewer people were coming through the gate. To some that might be indictment of the standard of football Graham was serving up. Honestly, the club just wants to be like Peterborough. Attractive football (for the most part), a conveyor belt of young talented footballers that get sold for good profits and a regular challenger for the play-offs. Nothing wrong with that, but how we've set about replicating that has left a lot to be desired. |
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Post by Blackbeard on Dec 4, 2020 17:23:46 GMT
Any manager taking on a team with one fit striker is self destruct button. We all said this will happen 6 weeks ago and garner was allowed to bring in another midfielder and left back. Chippenham got 5 strikers and signed one on loan from us as cover. Poor tisdale must be wondering what he taken on. Garner should of been supervised from higher up the chain. Totally in balanced side ... Good point about Chippenham oddly enough our loanee has been recalled but not seen the bench let alone chance to play They can’t see the wood for the trees bemused |
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Post by Blackbeard on Dec 4, 2020 17:25:30 GMT
350 accurate passes to their 150 and 2-0 down just about sums up what’s wrong with this team. Possession is actually pointless unless you have the chops to use it man c and Liverpool do we don’t |
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Post by socrates on Dec 4, 2020 17:41:23 GMT
350 accurate passes to their 150 and 2-0 down just about sums up what’s wrong with this team. Possession is actually pointless unless you have the chops to use it man c and Liverpool do we don’t My point was these players have had it drummed in to them that it’s all about keeping the ball and playing short passes. It needs to be drummed out of them ASAP. League 1 is about high tempo get stuck in fight for every ball and get it forward and put the opposition defenders under pressure because they will make mistakes at this level. We have hardly done that this season which is why we’ve been mostly utter sh**e. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 17:43:07 GMT
Perhaps those zealots of possession football can begin to realise how worthless it is. According to the BBC, we had twice as much possessionm as Gillingham. It's what you do with the ball that counts - not how much you have it. Wael and co were spooked by the declining attendances at the Mem under Coughlan. The side was performing well in the league table but despite that fewer people were coming through the gate. To some that might be indictment of the standard of football Graham was serving up. Honestly, the club just wants to be like Peterborough. Attractive football (for the most part), a conveyor belt of young talented footballers that get sold for good profits and a regular challenger for the play-offs. Nothing wrong with that, but how we've set about replicating that has left a lot to be desired. Spot on, we’re trying to emulate a slick setup that has consistently over-achieved in it’s returns off the off pitch if not on it, but we’re trying to do it with a Poundland budget and, crucially, no-one at the club with the experience or know-how of how to achieve it. Like you say, some gradual adjustment would have made sense but no, rip it up, start again and we find ourselves in the mire as a result. Tisdale’s got a real job on his hands |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 4, 2020 18:34:57 GMT
"Poundland budget" any chance you could publish our playing budget in comparison to the top 10 L1 sides, as we seem to have an hell of a lot of players compared to other L1 sides outside the top 10?
As far as Peterborough their player conveyor belt seems to have been running for a decade or more, headed by Barry Fry, not just built overnight. Hopefully Tisdale as explained some home truths to Wael before he was appointed.
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