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Post by Gassy on Jan 27, 2021 21:14:15 GMT
Actually I’ve been wondering this for a while, tried googling but couldn’t find anything. If you’re an EU country, do you have to take part of the tender or can you order independently as well? My assumption is you can do both? There is a specific rule which makes clear that states can approve vaccines under emergency legislation, particularly in a pandemic situation. Which we did, our government actually quoted this rule when the approved the Pfizer vaccine. Any State within the EU could have done, I can only think they did not as they all, apart from the UK, agreed to a joint procurement policy. They have been caught out, their probable sclerosis in getting things done quickly has exposed them. Very poor. Oh trust me, I am well aware of that rule. I’ve completed a course on HTA and used to work in market access & HEOR. What I’m asking is about EU tender/procurement rules. For example if a the EU puts together a joint bid for ventilators, can Germany say ‘no thanks, we’ll do it ourselves’? Or do they have to take part in that tender? If that makes sense? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 21:35:20 GMT
There is a specific rule which makes clear that states can approve vaccines under emergency legislation, particularly in a pandemic situation. Which we did, our government actually quoted this rule when the approved the Pfizer vaccine. Any State within the EU could have done, I can only think they did not as they all, apart from the UK, agreed to a joint procurement policy. They have been caught out, their probable sclerosis in getting things done quickly has exposed them. Very poor. Oh trust me, I am well aware of that rule. I’ve completed a course on HTA and used to work in market access & HEOR. What I’m asking is about EU tender/procurement rules. For example if a the EU puts together a joint bid for ventilators, can Germany say ‘no thanks, we’ll do it ourselves’? Or do they have to take part in that tender? If that makes sense? Ah, ok. This was released in April 2020. "1.4.2020 EN Official Journal of the European Union CI 108/1 COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMISSION Guidance from the European Commission on using the public procurement framework in the emergency situation related to the COVID-19 crisis (2020/C 108 I/01) 1. Introduction – Options and flexibilities under the public procurement framework COVID-19 is a health crisis that requires swift and smart solutions and agility in dealing with an immense increase of demand for similar goods and services while certain supply chains are disrupted. Public buyers in the Member States are at the forefront for most of these goods and services. They have to ensure the availability of personal protective equipment such as face masks and protective gloves, medical devices, notably ventilators, other medical supplies, but also hospital and IT infrastructure, to name only a few. At European level, the Commission together with the Member States has already stepped up efforts by launching joint procurement actions for various medical supplies. To further tailor its assistance to this emergency situation the Commission explains in this guidance (1), which options and flexibilities are available under the EU public procurement framework for the purchase of the supplies, services, and works needed to address the crisis. Public buyers have several options they can consider: — Firstly, in cases of urgency they can avail themselves of possibilities to substantially reduce the deadlines to accelerate open or restricted procedures. — Should those flexibilities not be sufficient, a negotiated procedure without publication can be envisaged. Eventually, even a direct award to a preselected economic operator could be allowed, provided the latter is the only one able to deliver the required supplies within the technical and time constraints imposed by the extreme urgency. — In addition, public buyers should also consider looking at alternative solutions and engaging with the market. This guidance focusses especially on procurements in cases of extreme urgency, which enable public buyers to buy within a matter of days, even hours, if necessary. Precisely for a situation such as the current COVID-19 crisis which presents an extreme and unforeseeable urgency, the EU directives do not contain procedural constraints." |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2021 21:37:00 GMT
There is a specific rule which makes clear that states can approve vaccines under emergency legislation, particularly in a pandemic situation. Which we did, our government actually quoted this rule when the approved the Pfizer vaccine. Any State within the EU could have done, I can only think they did not as they all, apart from the UK, agreed to a joint procurement policy. They have been caught out, their probable sclerosis in getting things done quickly has exposed them. Very poor. Oh trust me, I am well aware of that rule. I’ve completed a course on HTA and used to work in market access & HEOR. What I’m asking is about EU tender/procurement rules. For example if a the EU puts together a joint bid for ventilators, can Germany say ‘no thanks, we’ll do it ourselves’? Or do they have to take part in that tender? If that makes sense? As I understand it, it depends on the terms agreed for any co operation. In terms of the vaccine, they agreed to the central plan and Germany are getting a ticking off. "Member States have committed, as part of the EU Vaccines Strategy, not to enter into parallel negotiations with the same vaccine manufacturers with which talks are on-going at EU level. This does not exclude the possibility to take part in negotiations with other vaccine companies through COVAX." ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_1662 |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 28, 2021 8:14:13 GMT
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Post by oldgas on Jan 29, 2021 11:02:40 GMT
Do the Remainers on here consider the EU trying to steal our vaccines whilst allowing Germany to act illegally by ignoring the procurement programme a Brexit win or a Brexit loss?
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Post by peterparker on Jan 29, 2021 13:36:43 GMT
I see Minford is talking tripe again
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Post by yattongas on Jan 29, 2021 21:42:39 GMT
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Post by peterparker on Jan 31, 2021 10:22:16 GMT
So looks like we are applying to join the CPTPP.
What rules do we have to accept? Who presides over disputes? How does this affect 'Sovereignty'?
I didnt realise (according to an article in the Express) The EU have also been invites to join, although there could be sticking points there. Digital seems to be a conflict
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Post by Gassy on Jan 31, 2021 10:41:57 GMT
So looks like we are applying to join the CPTPP. What rules do we have to accept? Who presides over disputes? How does this affect 'Sovereignty'? I didnt realise (according to an article in the Express) The EU have also been invites to join, although there could be sticking points there. Digital seems to be a conflict Interesting, will have to do some research on it as I don’t know much about it tbh. Does that take over the trade deal with Japan, for example? Food standards would be the first main benefit I can see. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 31, 2021 12:40:38 GMT
On Marr this morning Liz Truss says we’re signing a trade deal with New Zealand that by her own department figures will make us 1% worse off . That’s gotta be a win ? 🇬🇧
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 31, 2021 14:10:13 GMT
At the moment CPTPP is about the size of Germany, so is a long term project, but a potentially good one. We are deepening our strategic relationship with countries in the area and the Royal Navy will exercise in the region later this year. A good summary from Auntie: "Exactly a year after it said goodbye to the EU, the UK is eying a new trading club. It sounds a win-win: those Pacific Rim nations represent 13% of global income and 500 million people - and the UK would retain the freedom to strike deals elsewhere. There'd be agreement on how standards and regulations are set (with minimums to be adhered to) - but they wouldn't need to be identical. In practice, however, the short-terms gains for households and business would be limited. The UK already has trade deals with seven of the 11 nations - and is pursuing two more. In total, CPTPP nations account for less than 10% of UK exports, a fraction of what goes to the EU. This deal would however deepen some of those ties - and allow UK manufacturers who source components from multiple nations in the bloc some benefits under "rules of origins" allowances. But the real boost could come in the future, if others join - in particular the US, as President Biden has hinted. That would give the UK that hoped-for trade deal with America - within a trading bloc wielding considerable power on the global stage. The UK is the first non-founding country to apply to join the CPTPP and, if successful, would be its second biggest economy after Japan. The free trade block aims to reduce trade tariffs - a form of border tax - between member countries. It includes a promise to eliminate or reduce 95% of import charges- although some of these charges are kept to protect some home-made products, for example Japan's rice and Canada's dairy industry. In return, countries must cooperate on regulations, such as food standards. However, these standards and regulations do not have to be identical, and member countries can strike their own trade deals. The government was putting place strategies that would "deliver for Britain in 2030 and 2050", Ms Truss said. She said services, robotics, data and digital industries were particularly set to gain, which could lead to more UK jobs. Membership will also offer the potential for faster and cheaper visas for business people, the government said. The formal request to join will be made on Monday, with negotiations expected in the spring." www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55871373 |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 31, 2021 15:13:43 GMT
At the moment CPTPP is about the size of Germany, so is a long term project, but a potentially good one. We are deepening our strategic relationship with countries in the area and the Royal Navy will exercise in the region later this year. A good summary from Auntie: "Exactly a year after it said goodbye to the EU, the UK is eying a new trading club. It sounds a win-win: those Pacific Rim nations represent 13% of global income and 500 million people - and the UK would retain the freedom to strike deals elsewhere. There'd be agreement on how standards and regulations are set (with minimums to be adhered to) - but they wouldn't need to be identical. In practice, however, the short-terms gains for households and business would be limited. The UK already has trade deals with seven of the 11 nations - and is pursuing two more. In total, CPTPP nations account for less than 10% of UK exports, a fraction of what goes to the EU. This deal would however deepen some of those ties - and allow UK manufacturers who source components from multiple nations in the bloc some benefits under "rules of origins" allowances. But the real boost could come in the future, if others join - in particular the US, as President Biden has hinted. That would give the UK that hoped-for trade deal with America - within a trading bloc wielding considerable power on the global stage. The UK is the first non-founding country to apply to join the CPTPP and, if successful, would be its second biggest economy after Japan. The free trade block aims to reduce trade tariffs - a form of border tax - between member countries. It includes a promise to eliminate or reduce 95% of import charges- although some of these charges are kept to protect some home-made products, for example Japan's rice and Canada's dairy industry. In return, countries must cooperate on regulations, such as food standards. However, these standards and regulations do not have to be identical, and member countries can strike their own trade deals. The government was putting place strategies that would "deliver for Britain in 2030 and 2050", Ms Truss said. She said services, robotics, data and digital industries were particularly set to gain, which could lead to more UK jobs. Membership will also offer the potential for faster and cheaper visas for business people, the government said. The formal request to join will be made on Monday, with negotiations expected in the spring." www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55871373The bonus will be if the US joins as Biden has previously hinted at,trade deal by the back door! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 31, 2021 15:23:21 GMT
At the moment CPTPP is about the size of Germany, so is a long term project, but a potentially good one. We are deepening our strategic relationship with countries in the area and the Royal Navy will exercise in the region later this year. A good summary from Auntie: "Exactly a year after it said goodbye to the EU, the UK is eying a new trading club. It sounds a win-win: those Pacific Rim nations represent 13% of global income and 500 million people - and the UK would retain the freedom to strike deals elsewhere. There'd be agreement on how standards and regulations are set (with minimums to be adhered to) - but they wouldn't need to be identical. In practice, however, the short-terms gains for households and business would be limited. The UK already has trade deals with seven of the 11 nations - and is pursuing two more. In total, CPTPP nations account for less than 10% of UK exports, a fraction of what goes to the EU. This deal would however deepen some of those ties - and allow UK manufacturers who source components from multiple nations in the bloc some benefits under "rules of origins" allowances. But the real boost could come in the future, if others join - in particular the US, as President Biden has hinted. That would give the UK that hoped-for trade deal with America - within a trading bloc wielding considerable power on the global stage. The UK is the first non-founding country to apply to join the CPTPP and, if successful, would be its second biggest economy after Japan. The free trade block aims to reduce trade tariffs - a form of border tax - between member countries. It includes a promise to eliminate or reduce 95% of import charges- although some of these charges are kept to protect some home-made products, for example Japan's rice and Canada's dairy industry. In return, countries must cooperate on regulations, such as food standards. However, these standards and regulations do not have to be identical, and member countries can strike their own trade deals. The government was putting place strategies that would "deliver for Britain in 2030 and 2050", Ms Truss said. She said services, robotics, data and digital industries were particularly set to gain, which could lead to more UK jobs. Membership will also offer the potential for faster and cheaper visas for business people, the government said. The formal request to join will be made on Monday, with negotiations expected in the spring." www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55871373The bonus will be if the US joins as Biden has previously hinted at,trade deal by the back door! China are tempted too. |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 1, 2021 21:53:15 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 2, 2021 15:42:48 GMT
That's third country status and relatively dirty seas for you. "The EU has told British fishermen they are indefinitely banned from selling live mussels, oysters, clams cockles and scallops to its member states. As the UK is now a separate country, it is not allowed to transport the animals to the EU unless they have already been treated in purification plants. But the industry says it does not have enough tanks ready and the process can slow exports, making them less viable." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55903599 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 2, 2021 15:47:41 GMT
No free movement insects either. British bees for British flowers. "A delivery of 15 million baby bees to the UK could "be sent back or destroyed" because of post-Brexit laws, the man trying to import them has said. Patrick Murfet wants to import the Italian bees for his business, and to help farmers pollinate crops. New laws which came into effect after the UK left the single market in January say only queen bees can be imported into Great Britain." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-55901419 |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 2, 2021 22:23:57 GMT
That's third country status and relatively dirty seas for you. "The EU has told British fishermen they are indefinitely banned from selling live mussels, oysters, clams cockles and scallops to its member states. As the UK is now a separate country, it is not allowed to transport the animals to the EU unless they have already been treated in purification plants. But the industry says it does not have enough tanks ready and the process can slow exports, making them less viable." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55903599What an opportunity for our fishing industry! |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 2, 2021 22:24:41 GMT
Looks like we're looking to re-negotiate the NI deal.
I thought it was a fantastic deal though?
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Post by yattongas on Feb 2, 2021 23:08:21 GMT
Looks like we're looking to re-negotiate the NI deal. I thought it was a fantastic deal though? |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 3, 2021 12:52:03 GMT
DUP last week: It's an outrage that the EU considered invoking Article 16!
DUP today: we must invoke Article 16 immediately!
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