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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2021 22:54:57 GMT
There was no way Cameron would have had a plan for anything as he was 100% certain it would be a vote to stay,of all the PMs in my lifetime he has been one of the most incompetent . Then May never wanted to leave so she was at a complete lost to articulate any sort of plan other than throw out red lines which fooked any proper negotiations from day one. A most sorry period in our history By the way my friend my names Clive I just live in a place called Trevor . Yes thats a good point Clive, although I do think he would have been more organised and formulated a plan if he had stayed. Mind you, maybe not seeming as he quit right away lol. He managed to upset a long Labour control of government though and grew stronger in the following election so im not sure he was the incompetent. Dont get me started on May!! Absolute shambles from start to finish!! Considering he had absolutely no contingency plan for leaving the EU there is absolutely no chance Cameron would have had a plan |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 15, 2021 22:57:36 GMT
At least she was right when she said no British prime minister could agree to divide Northern Ireland . Johnson just lied about it to get his deal through , amongst all his other lies. True but all politicians lie,how cynical 😆 This guy & gov are taking it to as yet unseen levels . Trumpian levels. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 15, 2021 23:01:54 GMT
True but all politicians lie,how cynical 😆 This guy & gov are taking it to as yet unseen levels . Trumpian levels. What worse than good old Blair surely not. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 15, 2021 23:08:49 GMT
Yes thats a good point Clive, although I do think he would have been more organised and formulated a plan if he had stayed. Mind you, maybe not seeming as he quit right away lol. He managed to upset a long Labour control of government though and grew stronger in the following election so im not sure he was the incompetent. Dont get me started on May!! Absolute shambles from start to finish!! Considering he had absolutely no contingency plan for leaving the EU there is absolutely no chance Cameron would have had a plan When you think about it in the cold light of day ,his decision to call a referendum and have no plan to deal with a leave vote was criminally insane,if it had cost lives like the pandemic then he would be subject to the same opprobrium that the government are subjected to today. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 15, 2021 23:55:44 GMT
This guy & gov are taking it to as yet unseen levels . Trumpian levels. What worse than good old Blair surely not. As a 21 yr old , i barely remember those days. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 16, 2021 7:40:43 GMT
What worse than good old Blair surely not. As a 21 yr old , i barely remember those days. So much hope,so much expectation and so much wasted opportunity. |
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Post by matealotblue on Mar 16, 2021 8:44:03 GMT
This guy & gov are taking it to as yet unseen levels . Trumpian levels. What worse than good old Blair surely not. Who’s Blair...? |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 16, 2021 17:58:08 GMT
Sorry gents, I will get back to your messages shortly. Had a tough day and now am getting sexist comments from NobbyGas and the WhiteDuke on the other forum. Gonna have a glass of wine and get back to you later. I see the kangaroo court has found you guilty on the other forum 🙄 |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 16, 2021 18:04:03 GMT
Sorry gents, I will get back to your messages shortly. Had a tough day and now am getting sexist comments from NobbyGas and the WhiteDuke on the other forum. Gonna have a glass of wine and get back to you later. I see the kangaroo court has found you guilty on the other forum 🙄 Stuart made me away of this, but don’t you mean me? 😂 Living rent free I tells ya |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 16, 2021 22:46:17 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 17, 2021 7:55:16 GMT
How many Countries violate standards on Human Rights? I would be surprised if there were many that haven't,includes us and the Western Democracys. What are the options ? |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 17, 2021 9:27:30 GMT
How many Countries violate standards on Human Rights? I would be surprised if there were many that haven't,includes us and the Western Democracys. What are the options ? Probably quite a lot but are you happy with GB lowering the bar compared to the EU to get deals over the line ? We’re getting nuclear bombs to protect us from China but we might do a trade deal with them ! |
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Post by francegas on Mar 17, 2021 10:05:30 GMT
How many Countries violate standards on Human Rights? I would be surprised if there were many that haven't,includes us and the Western Democracys. What are the options ? Probably quite a lot but are you happy with GB lowering the bar compared to the EU to get deals over the line ? We’re getting nuclear bombs to protect us from China but we might do a trade deal with them ! But the EU do trade with China and countries like Saudi Arabia etc. So how is Britain lowering the bar compared to the EU. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 17, 2021 10:35:47 GMT
Probably quite a lot but are you happy with GB lowering the bar compared to the EU to get deals over the line ? We’re getting nuclear bombs to protect us from China but we might do a trade deal with them ! But the EU do trade with China and countries like Saudi Arabia etc. So how is Britain lowering the bar compared to the EU. Because Raab was saying we’d go lower than the ECHR to get trade deals |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 17, 2021 19:05:24 GMT
But the EU do trade with China and countries like Saudi Arabia etc. So how is Britain lowering the bar compared to the EU. Because Raab was saying we’d go lower than the ECHR to get trade deals Do we then not trade with the US who we could easily argue break HRs what with their detention of terrorists without trial and treatment of non white citizens or do we just be pragmatic/real politique and try to use our influence as a trading partner. If we didn't do the latter then I can envisage a situation where we can trade with no one. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 17, 2021 19:22:11 GMT
Because Raab was saying we’d go lower than the ECHR to get trade deals Do we then not trade with the US who we could easily argue break HRs what with their detention of terrorists without trial and treatment of non white citizens or do we just be pragmatic/real politique and try to use our influence as a trading partner. If we didn't do the latter then I can envisage a situation where we can trade with no one. If we do do a deal with the US we’ll be accepting lower food standards , which will do our farmers no good as to compete and be competitive we’d have to lower ours or go bust . There was a good documentary on tv a while back showing what goes on in the Us farming sector , shocking conditions and some real bad practices going on . Brexiters have to ask themselves how desperate they are for trade deals and what they are prepared to accept . How low will you go guys ? |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 17, 2021 19:25:46 GMT
Do we then not trade with the US who we could easily argue break HRs what with their detention of terrorists without trial and treatment of non white citizens or do we just be pragmatic/real politique and try to use our influence as a trading partner. If we didn't do the latter then I can envisage a situation where we can trade with no one. If we do do a deal with the US we’ll be accepting lower food standards , which will do our farmers no good as to compete and be competitive we’d have to lower ours or go bust . There was a good documentary on tv a while back showing what goes on in the Us farming sector , shocking conditions and some real bad practices going on . Brexiters have to ask themselves how desperate they are for trade deals and what they are prepared to accept . How low will you go guys ? Aren't you conflating two different issues,one should we do a trade deal based on the US Human Rights record and two if we do what's in the deal and will it be detrimental to UK Farmers/Consumers. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 17, 2021 19:33:39 GMT
If we do do a deal with the US we’ll be accepting lower food standards , which will do our farmers no good as to compete and be competitive we’d have to lower ours or go bust . There was a good documentary on tv a while back showing what goes on in the Us farming sector , shocking conditions and some real bad practices going on . Brexiters have to ask themselves how desperate they are for trade deals and what they are prepared to accept . How low will you go guys ? Aren't you conflating two different issues,one should we do a trade deal based on the US Human Rights record and two if we do what's in the deal and will it be detrimental to UK Farmers/Consumers. Either way it’s a mute point because any trade deal with the US is way off |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 17, 2021 19:39:49 GMT
Aren't you conflating two different issues,one should we do a trade deal based on the US Human Rights record and two if we do what's in the deal and will it be detrimental to UK Farmers/Consumers. Either way it’s a mute point because any trade deal with the US is way off I have a feeling it will be quicker than we think. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 17, 2021 19:52:20 GMT
Either way it’s a mute point because any trade deal with the US is way off I have a feeling it will be quicker than we think. Pint says it’s not this side of the next general election ? |
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