Brexit wins ... add yours here.

But done none the less

Winning ! 🇬🇧

Yep better, because we aren’t paying through the nose to be a member of their corrupt club, run for the benefit of France and Germany, and who’s rules and regulations we were forced to follow.

Bargain I’d say.

Few posts to reply to, so I'll just post without clicking reply

Stuart: Hardly a surprise he's been in similar situations before, it's always the usual characters. I completely agree with you that no one had a viable, coherent plan. That is what I meant when I said it was a lost opportunity that solely rests at our own door. When you say net gain, do you mean that you don't see a net gain for a country that left the EU, or for any country in Europe? To explain the 2nd point, do you believe its possible to be successful without joining any of the EU schemes like Schengen, common market, customs union etc.

Trevor: When I said disorganised and stupid, I more meant in our negotiations with the EU. We should have had a clear plan that was well communicated and understood if we voted leave. As soon as Cameron resigned - any small amount of stability we had was out the window.

Yatton: Perhaps, we'll have to come back to this topic in 20 years - I'll pop it in my calendar now! But on a serious note, do trade deals expire? I'd have been interested in a softer Brexit where we could phase ourselves out over say 10-20 years. We certainly wouldn't be in the mess we're in now if that were to happen.

By net gain I am referring to the benefits of being out compared with what we had previously as members, we have chosen to make trading and other aspects of life more difficult and costly.

There may be opportunities to improve bilateral relationships elsewhere but I just don't see the tangible improvements outweighing the loss of a much larger and geographically closer market.

That isn't just economic either, I felt membership amplified our voice in the world so that has been lost too, and it risks breaking up our own country with Northern Ireland and Scotland leaving.

With regards to your question about being successful outside of the EU rules, of course we can but I don't think it will be as good and we weren't part of all of the institutions, we had legally binding opt outs on those we didn't want.

Thank you for clarifying. I do disagree about the net gain, I think there can be a gain but it will take 20 years roughly. Even more after the start we've given ourselves, as you say, we've chosen to make trading and other aspects of life more difficult and costly.

I'm not sure being part of the EU amplified our voice globally, surely we're more amplified being seen as the UK, rather than always being a representative of the EU? Scotland I think also would have looked to leave again anyway, Sturgeon seems to have her sights firmly on independence and Brexit gave her an easy excuse IMO. As for N. Ireland, I agree. Although I do think it's unlikely they'll leave.

On your last point, yes you're right. I think perhaps the biggest part of the poor defence of Vote Remain, was actually not looking enough at the facts. They should have shown more what actual benefits we had as the UK, but actually chose not to take advantage of. That left far too much room for people like Farage to spread fake news which pandered to people too easily.

To be fair the current mob never had a plan either , Boris only made up his mind at the last minute , picking a side that was best for his career.
As for the 20 yr wait for improvements , that’s a cop out. We weren’t told that , well not until after the vote had taken place

Sorry gents, I will get back to your messages shortly. Had a tough day and now am getting sexist comments from NobbyGas and the WhiteDuke on the other forum.

Gonna have a glass of wine and get back to you later.

At least she was right when she said no British prime minister could agree to divide Northern Ireland . Johnson just lied about it to get his deal through , amongst all his other lies.