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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 9, 2021 8:50:19 GMT
I'm not normally in agreement with Simon Jenkins but this bit is very true: "We have learned much in the past year. Brexit is not a disaster but nor is it a bonanza. There are no “great deals” to be done with the rest of the world. There is no such thing as trade sovereignty. The EU remains Britain’s biggest trading partner and trade with it has not been freed of bureaucracy by Brexit" An EFTA style agreement would make this whole thing so much better, leaving the political aspects but continuing to trade. That's what most wanted, wasn't it? On a separate note, I see over on the other forum, Nobby is complaining about delays on imports from the UK to Germany, something we warned about for years. Oh Nobby. Think it's time I had a chat to him Good luck, he still owes me an apology after flouncing off last year. Anyway, this red tape we were looking to rid ourselves of: "Andrew Lynas owns a food service business serving the hospitality sector across Ireland. He told Radio 4's Today programme that the new system was complex and bureaucratic. "We buy cheese from a GB supplier and it used to be really simple. We'd place an order and three days later we would get the goods," he said. "Now we place an order and we have to fill in eight different bits of paperwork and that lead time that was four days has now become 12 days and that has a huge impact on our customers." He said there was an additional issue with goods coming from Europe: "I have an orange juice supplier in Spain, they then transport their goods to a warehouse in GB." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57403258Listening to the Ireland correspondent on Sky News, the EU doesn't trust Boris which is why they need something more than goodwill. Can't believe they don't trust us anymore. |
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Post by baggins on Jun 9, 2021 12:51:50 GMT
I'm not normally in agreement with Simon Jenkins but this bit is very true: "We have learned much in the past year. Brexit is not a disaster but nor is it a bonanza. There are no “great deals” to be done with the rest of the world. There is no such thing as trade sovereignty. The EU remains Britain’s biggest trading partner and trade with it has not been freed of bureaucracy by Brexit" An EFTA style agreement would make this whole thing so much better, leaving the political aspects but continuing to trade. That's what most wanted, wasn't it? On a separate note, I see over on the other forum, Nobby is complaining about delays on imports from the UK to Germany, something we warned about for years. Oh Nobby. Think it's time I had a chat to him Really not worth it. |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 9, 2021 22:46:37 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jun 10, 2021 5:28:41 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Jun 10, 2021 7:11:26 GMT
Boris will crumble on this. If the Aussies walk away it'll damage everything they've been arguing about for the last x years. |
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2021 7:17:17 GMT
Boris will crumble on this. If the Aussies walk away it'll damage everything they've been arguing about for the last x years. I would hazard a guess this is all about agriculture. The fact that this has not been signed yet speaks volumes. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 10, 2021 8:06:01 GMT
I'm not normally in agreement with Simon Jenkins but this bit is very true: "We have learned much in the past year. Brexit is not a disaster but nor is it a bonanza. There are no “great deals” to be done with the rest of the world. There is no such thing as trade sovereignty. The EU remains Britain’s biggest trading partner and trade with it has not been freed of bureaucracy by Brexit" An EFTA style agreement would make this whole thing so much better, leaving the political aspects but continuing to trade. That's what most wanted, wasn't it? On a separate note, I see over on the other forum, Nobby is complaining about delays on imports from the UK to Germany, something we warned about for years. Oh Nobby. Think it's time I had a chat to him Did you get a response? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 10, 2021 8:07:51 GMT
Boris will crumble on this. If the Aussies walk away it'll damage everything they've been arguing about for the last x years. It's going to be totemic now Biden is in office, he'll want to agree something although the ongoing NI protocol ought to take precedence. |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 10, 2021 9:42:29 GMT
Remember Liz Truss in 2016 …..
“ leave cannot name one country we would get a better trade deal with if we left the EU”
Liz Truss is the Secretary of State for international trade and president of the board of trade .
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2021 9:59:40 GMT
Oh Nobby. Think it's time I had a chat to him Did you get a response? Would liven it up a bit over there. Its like tumbleweed. |
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2021 10:00:46 GMT
Remember Liz Truss in 2016 ….. “ leave cannot name one country we would get a better trade deal with if we left the EU” Liz Truss is the Secretary of State for international trade and president of the board of trade . 😂🇬🇧 Its still painful. Reading that. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 10, 2021 15:34:45 GMT
Oh Nobby. Think it's time I had a chat to him Did you get a response? Nope, he has moved on to birth rate or something |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 10, 2021 15:44:27 GMT
Nope, he has moved on to birth rate or something Just seen that. Win for you I'd say. Hi Towngas 👋 |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 10, 2021 17:02:27 GMT
Would liven it up a bit over there. Its like tumbleweed. That’s because you’re too scared to go on there 😃 |
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2021 19:40:01 GMT
Would liven it up a bit over there. Its like tumbleweed. That’s because you’re too scared to go on there 😃 God dont. I am trying hard to just take it easy |
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Post by empirebaypete on Jun 11, 2021 0:08:55 GMT
I haven't read that article but they were talking about this trade deal on the radio here the other day.
They were saying about the UK farmers being concerned that there would be a flood of Aussie Lamb & Beef in the UK market.
That in turn could lead to lower prices. I still find it unbelievable it's cheaper to take meat half way around the world than it is to produce it locally.
Every so often here in Australia there'll be a campaign to eat more locally produced pork. We're told that a lot of the pork products we eat here (bacon especially) is produced in Canada. Why? How is it cheaper to transport the stuff.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 11, 2021 1:35:57 GMT
I haven't read that article but they were talking about this trade deal on the radio here the other day.
They were saying about the UK farmers being concerned that there would be a flood of Aussie Lamb & Beef in the UK market.
That in turn could lead to lower prices. I still find it unbelievable it's cheaper to take meat half way around the world than it is to produce it locally.
Every so often here in Australia there'll be a campaign to eat more locally produced pork. We're told that a lot of the pork products we eat here (bacon especially) is produced in Canada. Why? How is it cheaper to transport the stuff.
AIUI, it's not the cost of transport but the economies of scale which outweigh the transportation cost. For example, the average beef herd size in the UK is between 28 to 50 cows, according to the National Farmers' Union. But a 2016 report published by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission found that in northern Australia average herd size was 1,576 per farm. The total number of sheep and lambs in the UK in 2015 was estimated at just over 33million while the Australian Bureau of Statistics put the number at 64million for Australian farms in June 2020. (Figures via the Daily Mail). Add to that other differences such as those in animal husbandry which increases meat production then it makes it cheaper to produce. |
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Post by Gassy on Jun 11, 2021 6:18:49 GMT
I haven't read that article but they were talking about this trade deal on the radio here the other day.
They were saying about the UK farmers being concerned that there would be a flood of Aussie Lamb & Beef in the UK market.
That in turn could lead to lower prices. I still find it unbelievable it's cheaper to take meat half way around the world than it is to produce it locally.
Every so often here in Australia there'll be a campaign to eat more locally produced pork. We're told that a lot of the pork products we eat here (bacon especially) is produced in Canada. Why? How is it cheaper to transport the stuff.
AIUI, it's not the cost of transport but the economies of scale which outweigh the transportation cost. For example, the average beef herd size in the UK is between 28 to 50 cows, according to the National Farmers' Union. But a 2016 report published by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission found that in northern Australia average herd size was 1,576 per farm. The total number of sheep and lambs in the UK in 2015 was estimated at just over 33million while the Australian Bureau of Statistics put the number at 64million for Australian farms in June 2020. (Figures via the Daily Mail). Add to that other differences such as those in animal husbandry which increases meat production then it makes it cheaper to produce. Not sure whether I’m impressed by your specific knowledge or not... But this makes sense. So far we’ve got: Tories complaining the deal is bad, farmers complaining about competition, the spoons owner saying there’s not enough EU immigration, and Nobby complaining about transport delays. Christ what’s next? OldGas is going to start wondering why the NHS isn’t getting an extra £250m per week? It’s almost as if, and hear me out here guys, it’s almost as if this was predicted.. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 11, 2021 6:43:24 GMT
AIUI, it's not the cost of transport but the economies of scale which outweigh the transportation cost. For example, the average beef herd size in the UK is between 28 to 50 cows, according to the National Farmers' Union. But a 2016 report published by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission found that in northern Australia average herd size was 1,576 per farm. The total number of sheep and lambs in the UK in 2015 was estimated at just over 33million while the Australian Bureau of Statistics put the number at 64million for Australian farms in June 2020. (Figures via the Daily Mail). Add to that other differences such as those in animal husbandry which increases meat production then it makes it cheaper to produce. Not sure whether I’m impressed by your specific knowledge or not... But this makes sense. So far we’ve got: Tories complaining the deal is bad, farmers complaining about competition, the spoons owner saying there’s not enough EU immigration, and Nobby complaining about transport delays. Christ what’s next? OldGas is going to start wondering why the NHS isn’t getting an extra £250m per week? It’s almost as if, and hear me out here guys, it’s almost as if this was predicted.. How about another referendum 😆😆 |
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Post by Gassy on Jun 11, 2021 6:58:07 GMT
Not sure whether I’m impressed by your specific knowledge or not... But this makes sense. So far we’ve got: Tories complaining the deal is bad, farmers complaining about competition, the spoons owner saying there’s not enough EU immigration, and Nobby complaining about transport delays. Christ what’s next? OldGas is going to start wondering why the NHS isn’t getting an extra £250m per week? It’s almost as if, and hear me out here guys, it’s almost as if this was predicted.. How about another referendum 😆😆 Don’t be silly that would be far too decisive. We should have a referendum on whether we should have a referendum 😁 |
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