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Post by Gassy on Feb 2, 2021 10:50:05 GMT
If JVS made that mistake that Day did, he’d have been absolutely crucified on here. Which mistake? Rochdale's first was a defender's error at the near post and the second was due to the defence not closing down and allowing far too much space and time for the shot. I stand to be corrected, but Grant for the first and Leahy/Harries for the second. The 2nd. Might need to watch it again mate, it was into his arms and he spilled it back into the net as he dived to his right. The shot should be been stopped sure, but this was basics for a GK. The fact that we even mention the defence shows the difference as if that was JVS, it wouldn’t have mattered IMO. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Feb 2, 2021 11:03:48 GMT
If JVS made that mistake that Day did, he’d have been absolutely crucified on here. I totally agree if it were JvS it would be so different, Joe should have done a bit better but I also think that a ball/shot taken the hard from that close should have bodies flying try to block Leahy got done.. it happens and was trying to get his foot in. Westbrooke was staring at it (might have been caught in two minds making sure he bloked the passing lane?) Unfortunately Harries turns away from it which is disappointing for him. If he stood still it would have hurt but it was have bounced off him for sure. It was a series of errors, as you say, but that hands behind the back 'curtsy' you often see these days really annoys me and is not defending. Players should literally be doing everything they can to get their bodies in the way and not giving the attacker a free sight of goal. Even when Leahy was beaten, there should still have been enough cover. |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 2, 2021 11:21:16 GMT
Its the whole problem of playing with wing backs instead of full backs. You are relying on your three centre halves to be organised and unfortunately we have three statues who "turn off" too often. Concentration and leadership are important and we have neither. I thought Williams was signed as being a full back but no sooner we sign him then Tis suddenly reverts back to three at the back. He has strange ideas.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Feb 2, 2021 11:42:45 GMT
Anyway, back to tonight. A hard earned 3 points with all strikers scoring and later wondering what all the fuss was about.  |
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Post by hardingegas on Feb 2, 2021 11:44:02 GMT
Agree Leahy was 'done' on his wrong foot but it happens at every level of football - you only have see Salah's goal against West Ham - very similar.
Harries should have been steaming in to block the shot as he's meant to be covering in case this happens. I'm sure Craig or even Baldwin would have done so.
For me, he's too flat footed and immobile. Granted he can pass well, but he needs to step up and make those blocks and tackles a priority.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 2, 2021 11:48:08 GMT
Agree Leahy was 'done' on his wrong foot but it happens at every level of football - you only have see Salah's goal against West Ham - very similar. Harries should have been steaming in to block the shot as he's meant to be covering in case this happens. I'm sure Craig or even Baldwin would have done so. For me, he's too flat footed and immobile. Granted he can pass well, but he needs to step up and make those blocks and tackles a priority. Yeah I totally agree, didn't particularly mind Leahy getting done, we should have cover and never just be one on one in that situation. Historically I have seen Harries put his body on the line and be full of passion etc, that's why I said he will be disappointed with that. |
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Post by TAGas on Feb 2, 2021 11:51:31 GMT
I think the best result we'll get is 0-0.
They have conceded 23 goals all season weve only scored 23...
And the last time a striker scored a goal was the 2nd January against Blackpool.
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Post by axegas on Feb 2, 2021 12:09:55 GMT
I think we will need to dig deep with a Peterborough like performance to get anything from tonight. Ogogo and Grant need to start together, with 4 at the back behind them IMO.
If there is one good thing, it’s that Accrington will be used to being the underdogs, perhaps they won’t be able to handle the pressure of being favourites who knows.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Feb 2, 2021 12:14:03 GMT
I think we will need to dig deep with a Peterborough like performance to get anything from tonight. Ogogo and Grant need to start together, with 4 at the back behind them IMO. If there is one good thing, it’s that Accrington will be used to being the underdogs, perhaps they won’t be able to handle the pressure of being favourites who knows. Ogogo won't be playing. |
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 2, 2021 12:18:31 GMT
We have the worst form of any league 1 club, and 2nd lowest scorers. We will lose. What else can you expect?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 12:34:26 GMT
Agree Leahy was 'done' on his wrong foot but it happens at every level of football - you only have see Salah's goal against West Ham - very similar. Harries should have been steaming in to block the shot as he's meant to be covering in case this happens. I'm sure Craig or even Baldwin would have done so. For me, he's too flat footed and immobile. Granted he can pass well, but he needs to step up and make those blocks and tackles a priority. Leahy and Westbrooke were far closer to the scorer than Harries. Neither of them made a forward move towards him. |
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Post by gregsy on Feb 2, 2021 12:45:48 GMT
Let's hope this is one of those rabbit out of a hat performances we've seen this season....
Actually, as the season moves on it would be more like pulling a tyrannosaurus-rex out of a thimble....
But you never know....
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 2, 2021 12:47:32 GMT
Could be a close game this one? Maybe we could nick it 1-0 if we can get our noses in front. Accrington are not in great form, don't concede many, maybe we will see a response from the players after Saturdays rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 12:59:19 GMT
Hells Bells - John Coleman has Accrington firing whilst Tisdale has no clue on formation or who to play.
He promised a reaction from that bottler performance on Saturday - So what will that mean ? Change of personnel? Change of formation? Maher will whisper in his ear and the train will crash again!!
One thing is for sure ... Oztumer needs to start showing us his worth (PT might just bench him) and Westbrooke needs to start getting involved properly or be benched permanently. Hopefully Baldwin is back for the woeful Harries. We need the energy of our boy from Chelsea who at least looks like he cares.
Would not be surprised to see the Dodgeball Dutchman recalled after Days woeful butterfingered effort for the second goal - that would suggest PT made a mistake though so unlikely.
My heart says we sneak a win or a point with a win on Saturday and we all ( myself included) fall in behind Pied Piper Paul and dance along... My head tells me comprehensively beaten tonight by a well drilled team playing for each other and then again on Saturday by a team who will demonstrate a proper New Manager bounce.
For me it's now about when Starnes and Wael will act - show they made an awful mistake and appoint someone who once again can get us out of the self dug pit crafted by Management.
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Post by gasbath on Feb 2, 2021 13:18:10 GMT
Agree Leahy was 'done' on his wrong foot but it happens at every level of football - you only have see Salah's goal against West Ham - very similar. Harries should have been steaming in to block the shot as he's meant to be covering in case this happens. I'm sure Craig or even Baldwin would have done so. For me, he's too flat footed and immobile. Granted he can pass well, but he needs to step up and make those blocks and tackles a priority. From what I remember it was know one else's fault but Leahy's he picked his man up wide near the edge of the box and kept shuffling backwards towards the 6 yard area making up the forwards mind not to do anything but keep going forward no pressure then when he was in point blank range drop a shoulder and smashed one at goal. which yes it was at Day but at point blank range all the other players are picking up runners in case he squares it like walsall said good going forward not so good defending |
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Post by peterparker on Feb 2, 2021 13:21:21 GMT
whatever happened to 'creativity'. forced or otherwise? (At Rovers or anywhere else)
Now I am not suggesting this is a long term solution to anything, we needed a striker and we desperately need Daly back, but whatever happened to chucking a centre-half up front or converting someone else.
What has happened to Zain Walker? could Rodman have been a partner to Hanlan for a game or 2. Give Ehmer a game upfront
in the absence of signing a striker in the window and indeed prior, have we tried to do ANYTHING vaguely different. a few players have moved around a little bit, but all within 'The system'
Where is Cam Hargreaves? Get me some of his energy on the football pitch. he may not be the greatest in some people's eyes , but he might give us some drive on the football pitch
Can we just try something different rather than swapping 1 or 2 players in or out for the next game. Dam drop 5 or 6 of them. We really have
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 2, 2021 13:22:42 GMT
Agree Leahy was 'done' on his wrong foot but it happens at every level of football - you only have see Salah's goal against West Ham - very similar. Harries should have been steaming in to block the shot as he's meant to be covering in case this happens. I'm sure Craig or even Baldwin would have done so. For me, he's too flat footed and immobile. Granted he can pass well, but he needs to step up and make those blocks and tackles a priority. From what I remember it was know one else's fault but Leahy's he picked his man up wide near the edge of the box and kept shuffling backwards towards the 6 yard area making up the forwards mind not to do anything but keep going forward no pressure then when he was in point blank range drop a shoulder and smashed one at goal. which yes it was at Day but at point blank range all the other players are picking up runners in case he squares it like walsall said good going forward not so good defending I mean they will claim responsibility as a unit but from my post (pictures added) Leahys man beat him and entered the box - quickly being chased by Leahy... no one else moved towards him to close that gap before he unleashed a shot from about 8-10 yards a full on bolt too, big backlift! after the shot Harries turned away from it, which I found strange cuz usually he is throwing his body on the line... maybe its an uncontrollable reaction? Pretty sure I jump a bit when my lad is about to pump one at me (but I am not a pro) gaschat.co.uk/post/699735 |
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Post by TAGas on Feb 2, 2021 13:24:38 GMT
Agree Leahy was 'done' on his wrong foot but it happens at every level of football - you only have see Salah's goal against West Ham - very similar. Harries should have been steaming in to block the shot as he's meant to be covering in case this happens. I'm sure Craig or even Baldwin would have done so. For me, he's too flat footed and immobile. Granted he can pass well, but he needs to step up and make those blocks and tackles a priority. From what I remember it was know one else's fault but Leahy's he picked his man up wide near the edge of the box and kept shuffling backwards towards the 6 yard area making up the forwards mind not to do anything but keep going forward no pressure then when he was in point blank range drop a shoulder and smashed one at goal. which yes it was at Day but at point blank range all the other players are picking up runners in case he squares it like walsall said good going forward not so good defending Didn't he get relegated with Walsall too? |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 2, 2021 13:39:54 GMT
If JVS made that mistake that Day did, he’d have been absolutely crucified on here. Which mistake? Rochdale's first was a defender's error at the near post and the second was due to the defence not closing down and allowing far too much space and time for the shot. I stand to be corrected, but Grant for the first and Leahy/Harries for the second. That’s how I saw it, but Day must know that his defence has a mistake in it and be prepared for it. Not really his fault but I hope he learnt from it. UTG! |
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Post by Jomo on Feb 2, 2021 13:42:25 GMT
Agree Leahy was 'done' on his wrong foot but it happens at every level of football - you only have see Salah's goal against West Ham - very similar. Harries should have been steaming in to block the shot as he's meant to be covering in case this happens. I'm sure Craig or even Baldwin would have done so. For me, he's too flat footed and immobile. Granted he can pass well, but he needs to step up and make those blocks and tackles a priority. I agree with most of that except the part about him being able to pass well. I personally don't think he does pass well at all. Far too many aimless and inaccurate diagonal balls. |
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