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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 22:27:08 GMT
It's clear you're talking b*llocks, as you've already confused me with somebody else. If you don't want to demand better than what we're being served up, if you don't want to demand better than being beaten 6-1 by Accrington Stanley, if you dont want to demand better performances from individual players, if you dont want to demand better than being relegation fodder, if you dont want to demand better for the entire Football Club, then good for you. We should all be demanding better for Bristol Rovers, not only that but we deserve, far, far better as well. Yes...but the point is how should we communicate our demands? The board seemed to listen to falling crowds under Coughlan- when he left we promptly changed tack in terms of the quality of football. Not that that makes much difference at the moment but that was potentially a telling indication that supporters do have some leverage. |
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Post by justin blue on Feb 2, 2021 22:27:21 GMT
No need to get all precious, this was always going to be a nailed on defeat whether we like it or not. Why not get something out of it to ease the pain.Because it's a bit like footballers not really caring if their side gets stuffed. What like our lot just did. Do you really thing they gave a toss about us while they were bringing disgrace on this club tonight. |
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 2, 2021 22:29:49 GMT
It's clear you're talking b*llocks, as you've already confused me with somebody else. If you don't want to demand better than what we're being served up, if you don't want to demand better than being beaten 6-1 by Accrington Stanley, if you dont want to demand better performances from individual players, if you dont want to demand better than being relegation fodder, if you dont want to demand better for the entire Football Club, then good for you. We should all be demanding better for Bristol Rovers, not only that but we deserve, far, far better as well. Yes...but the point is how should we communicate our demands? Normally through the turnstiles is one way, im sure if we could go to the next home game some of us would show our displeasure. Obviously that isn't possible at the moment, but there's still plenty of other ways to show displeasure of whats being served up. The clubs Social Media accounts is an example. I'm not the only one to think apathy is entrenched in a lot of our fan base. That lot down the road wouldn't settle for this that's for sure. Being "Faithful and True" until we get relegated every few years is wearing thin!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 22:30:10 GMT
It's clear you're talking b*llocks, as you've already confused me with somebody else. If you don't want to demand better than what we're being served up, if you don't want to demand better than being beaten 6-1 by Accrington Stanley, if you dont want to demand better performances from individual players, if you dont want to demand better than being relegation fodder, if you dont want to demand better for the entire Football Club, then good for you. We should all be demanding better for Bristol Rovers, not only that but we deserve, far, far better as well. Yes...but the point is how should we communicate our demands? Don’t pay for iFollow ... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 22:32:49 GMT
It's clear you're talking b*llocks, as you've already confused me with somebody else. If you don't want to demand better than what we're being served up, if you don't want to demand better than being beaten 6-1 by Accrington Stanley, if you dont want to demand better performances from individual players, if you dont want to demand better than being relegation fodder, if you dont want to demand better for the entire Football Club, then good for you. We should all be demanding better for Bristol Rovers, not only that but we deserve, far, far better as well. I think the point is demanding something doesn't actually achieve anything. It doesn't make it happen and it doesn't contribute to getting results. Some people can sit there after a loss and think to themselves 'well, that was sh**' and some people can think 'I demand better' but at the end of the day, they both achieve the same results, nothing. So, taking a moral position on one or the other is essentially pointless. You're welcome to go on the internet and demand stuff, but then other people are welcome to post stuff like 'let's not get too upset,' or ,'mind how you go.' It has the same moral weight. You (and I'm saying 'you' as in the general 'you' not you specifically) can't blame our predicament on those who don't post demands on the internet. Absolutely, but it’s part of the human condition to express dissatisfaction as a way of getting it off your chest. If all it achieves is getting it off someone’s chest then that may not be of value to anyone else but it’s of value to the individual then fair play. Tonight it’s not just the typical complainers who have had enough, it’s a lot bigger than that and everyone who who gives it the old “oh just get behind the team” bollocks after that load of crap is going to be wasting their time. People are annoyed because the players didn’t even have a go, they don’t respect the manager and then questions start getting asked about who hired the players and who hired the manager and on it goes. It may achieve f**k all- but that’s not the point. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2021 22:32:49 GMT
How sad is that betting on your own team to lose/get relegated, are you really that desperate to win a few quid gambling. No need to get all precious, this was always going to be a nailed on defeat whether we like it or not. Why not get something out of it to ease the pain. I'm not that desperate for a few quid! |
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Post by RD on Feb 2, 2021 22:33:31 GMT
No need to get all precious, this was always going to be a nailed on defeat whether we like it or not. Why not get something out of it to ease the pain. I'm not that desperate for a few quid! nothing to do with being desperate, it's about being savvy |
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Post by axegas on Feb 2, 2021 22:36:22 GMT
We had our best team out there too, McCormick, Oztumer, Nicholson, Hanlan the whole lot and yet we never controlled the game, never looked even close to matching Accrinton’s level of determination to get the possession and do something with it.
The defence is seriously bad. Ehmer has never displayed any captain material behaviour since joining the club, he doesn’t organise the defenders, rally the troops. He’s flat footed and gets turned very easily by some of the better L1 attackers. Kilgour gives the attackers too much respect, never marks the man tightly enough, shows a lack of positional sense. Some of Leahy’s defending is questionable for this level too.
The midfield is very inconsistent, Grant will have a great game where he is busy making tackles and nice passes one week and the next failing to provide any defensive coverage or be an outlet to other player when in possession. Westbrooke never makes a tackle and recently I’ve noticed his contributions when he does get the ball are pretty poor as well. Nicholson is the one bright spark, he looks far too good for this team.
The attack is lacking in depth and experience. Daly and Ayunga have three EFL goals between them meaning that Hanlan has to carry the burden of expectations to find us the net which he hasn’t coped well with recently, although in fairness the amount of service he gets is abysmal.
We’ve been lucky on this bad run of form that other teams us around us haven’t been winning either but that won’t last forever. The game coming up at home to Swindon is looking massive in the context of this season as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 22:36:40 GMT
Yes...but the point is how should we communicate our demands? The board seemed to listen to falling crowds under Coughlan- when he left we promptly changed tack in terms of the quality of football. Not that that makes much difference at the moment but that was potentially a telling indication that supporters do have some leverage. Worrying but true. What we’d do to be 3rd in the league playing boring football now |
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Post by Ali G on Feb 2, 2021 22:38:43 GMT
That was a managerial road crash. They had no idea - enough said.
The worst night since we lost to Braintree
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 2, 2021 22:39:07 GMT
It's clear you're talking b*llocks, as you've already confused me with somebody else. If you don't want to demand better than what we're being served up, if you don't want to demand better than being beaten 6-1 by Accrington Stanley, if you dont want to demand better performances from individual players, if you dont want to demand better than being relegation fodder, if you dont want to demand better for the entire Football Club, then good for you. We should all be demanding better for Bristol Rovers, not only that but we deserve, far, far better as well. I think the point is demanding something doesn't actually achieve anything. It doesn't make it happen and it doesn't contribute to getting results. Some people can sit there after a loss and think to themselves 'well, that was sh**' and some people can think 'I demand better' but at the end of the day, they both achieve the same results, nothing. So, taking a moral position on one or the other is essentially pointless. You're welcome to go on the internet and demand stuff, but then other people are welcome to post stuff like 'let's not get too upset,' or ,'mind how you go.' It has the same moral weight. You (and I'm saying 'you' as in the general 'you' not you specifically) can't blame our predicament on those who don't post demands on the internet. I would say protests are a form of demanding aren't they? Over the past 6 months we've seen plenty of those. I would say Footballers taking the knee over the same 6 months is a form of demanding change. Us as supporters who put our hard earned cash into the club, whether it be paying to get in when we're allowed, following the club up and down the country, paying for IFollow subscriptions, merchandise etc should be able to demand better than getting spanked 6-1 to Accrington Stanley. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 2, 2021 22:39:07 GMT
I think the point is demanding something doesn't actually achieve anything. It doesn't make it happen and it doesn't contribute to getting results. Some people can sit there after a loss and think to themselves 'well, that was sh**' and some people can think 'I demand better' but at the end of the day, they both achieve the same results, nothing. So, taking a moral position on one or the other is essentially pointless. You're welcome to go on the internet and demand stuff, but then other people are welcome to post stuff like 'let's not get too upset,' or ,'mind how you go.' It has the same moral weight. You (and I'm saying 'you' as in the general 'you' not you specifically) can't blame our predicament on those who don't post demands on the internet. Absolutely, but it’s part of the human condition to express dissatisfaction as a way of getting it off your chest. If all it achieves is getting it off someone’s chest then that may not be of value to anyone else but it’s of value to the individual then fair play. Tonight it’s not just the typical complainers who have had enough, it’s a lot bigger than that and everyone who who gives it the old “oh just get behind the team” bollocks after that load of crap is going to be wasting their time. People are annoyed because the players didn’t even have a go, they don’t respect the manager and then questions start getting asked about who hired the players and who hired the manager and on it goes. It may achieve f**k all- but that’s not the point. I agree. I have no problem with anyone doing that. What I'm talking about is people taking the moral high ground over those who aren't whining and blaming them for our predicament because they didn't whine enough. |
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Post by james246 on Feb 2, 2021 22:40:10 GMT
Well that was a miserable evening - I am off to bed
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 2, 2021 22:40:13 GMT
I think the point is demanding something doesn't actually achieve anything. It doesn't make it happen and it doesn't contribute to getting results. Some people can sit there after a loss and think to themselves 'well, that was sh**' and some people can think 'I demand better' but at the end of the day, they both achieve the same results, nothing. So, taking a moral position on one or the other is essentially pointless. You're welcome to go on the internet and demand stuff, but then other people are welcome to post stuff like 'let's not get too upset,' or ,'mind how you go.' It has the same moral weight. You (and I'm saying 'you' as in the general 'you' not you specifically) can't blame our predicament on those who don't post demands on the internet. Absolutely, but it’s part of the human condition to express dissatisfaction as a way of getting it off your chest. If all it achieves is getting it off someone’s chest then that may not be of value to anyone else but it’s of value to the individual then fair play. Tonight it’s not just the typical complainers who have had enough, it’s a lot bigger than that and everyone who who gives it the old “oh just get behind the team” bollocks after that load of crap is going to be wasting their time. People are annoyed because the players didn’t even have a go, they don’t respect the manager and then questions start getting asked about who hired the players and who hired the manager and on it goes. It may achieve f**k all- but that’s not the point. At the end of the day only Wael can decide whether PT stays in the job or leaves, demanding something doesn't mean it's going to happen. |
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Post by justin blue on Feb 2, 2021 22:43:23 GMT
No need to get all precious, this was always going to be a nailed on defeat whether we like it or not. Why not get something out of it to ease the pain. I'm not that desperate for a few quid! Lend us a fiver. |
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Post by LJG on Feb 2, 2021 22:44:31 GMT
Like I said, go on then - demand it. It's clear you're talking b*llocks, as you've already confused me with somebody else. If you don't want to demand better than what we're being served up, if you don't want to demand better than being beaten 6-1 by Accrington Stanley, if you dont want to demand better performances from individual players, if you dont want to demand better than being relegation fodder, if you dont want to demand better for the entire Football Club, then good for you. We should all be demanding better for Bristol Rovers, not only that but we deserve, far, far better as well. I haven't confused you with anyone. I'm directly replying to your post. Again - demand away. Demand until you're blue in the face. Demand and demand until you're sick. |
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Post by LJG on Feb 2, 2021 22:46:10 GMT
Yes...but the point is how should we communicate our demands? The board seemed to listen to falling crowds under Coughlan- when he left we promptly changed tack in terms of the quality of football. Not that that makes much difference at the moment but that was potentially a telling indication that supporters do have some leverage. What on earth are you talking about, Will? Graham left us, he wasn't sacked. |
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 2, 2021 22:47:38 GMT
It's clear you're talking b*llocks, as you've already confused me with somebody else. If you don't want to demand better than what we're being served up, if you don't want to demand better than being beaten 6-1 by Accrington Stanley, if you dont want to demand better performances from individual players, if you dont want to demand better than being relegation fodder, if you dont want to demand better for the entire Football Club, then good for you. We should all be demanding better for Bristol Rovers, not only that but we deserve, far, far better as well. I haven't confused you with anyone. I'm directly replying to your post. Again - demand away. Demand until you're blue in the face. Demand and demand until you're sick. Yes you have, because you thought I wanted Wael out! Im 100% certain that you've demanded one thing or another in your life, as have everybody else. |
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Post by LJG on Feb 2, 2021 22:51:45 GMT
I haven't confused you with anyone. I'm directly replying to your post. Again - demand away. Demand until you're blue in the face. Demand and demand until you're sick. Im 100% certain that you've demanded one thing or another in your life, as have everybody else. No I haven't and no I didn't. I said Go and lie in bed tonight and say "Wael out, Wael out, Wael out". That will have as much impact as "demanding more". I haven't said anywhere that you want Wael out. Ever. I'm still not hearing much demanding from you if I'm honest. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 22:52:47 GMT
Absolutely, but it’s part of the human condition to express dissatisfaction as a way of getting it off your chest. If all it achieves is getting it off someone’s chest then that may not be of value to anyone else but it’s of value to the individual then fair play. Tonight it’s not just the typical complainers who have had enough, it’s a lot bigger than that and everyone who who gives it the old “oh just get behind the team” bollocks after that load of crap is going to be wasting their time. People are annoyed because the players didn’t even have a go, they don’t respect the manager and then questions start getting asked about who hired the players and who hired the manager and on it goes. It may achieve f**k all- but that’s not the point. At the end of the day only Wael can decide whether PT stays in the job or leaves, demanding something doesn't mean it's going to happen. Of course but I think the word demanding is misleading, I doubt anyone saying “I demand you sack Tisdale!!” is seriously thinking Wael is going to say “yes I’ll do it right away!” They are just expressing dissatisfaction at the way the club is run on a night when a club that has vastly over achieved has given us a proper footballing lesson that will stay in the memory for a while. I don’t blame anyone for looking at Accrington and being angry about how they have got it so right whilst we have got it so badly wrong despite there being a significant disparity in fan numbers and apparent owner’s wealth. |
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