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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 8, 2021 17:53:53 GMT
There is no cause or a requirement for sympathy. The quality of our board time and time again fail the club. At the time of BG sacking look at the available managers with decent, recent League one records. The option was retain BG and stick to the plan or hire someone capable and current at league one level. The stat comparison is to show two things - at the point of sacking BG the decision was wrong and the hiring process was a joke and is proving so and is likely to take us down. At the point of sacking BG, the decision was indeed wrong - it should have been implemented months before. The point you're missing (conveniently) is football management isn't just about stats alone. BG is responsible for turning a potentially promotion team into what we now know is relegation material. Or... He came into an overachieving team, flogged to death where the manager had just quit. The team then lost the best GK in the league to injury, the goal scoring centre forward was 60% fit and being patched up to get on the pitch. Just maybe the club had a massive problem with a wage bill that was unaffordable caused by years of mismanagement handing overrated, older players big contracts that were unaffordable for a club of our size. Wael just possibly agreed to write off the debt as long as the club reduced the average age of the squad and decreased the wage bill to make the club sustainable. Actually, no none of the above could be correct. GC walked out on a chance of being a Championship manager in order to be a League 2 manager closer to home and the club was really well run, wages were relevant to income and the bloated list of over paid players would have stormed the playoffs and finished mid table in the championship the following year. Incredibly the board hired BG and behind their backs he sold all these old players on big money and secretly paid nothing for young up and comers without any discussion with the board, recruitment team or Wael. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 8, 2021 18:01:52 GMT
What id do for Tony Craig, Liam Sercombe, Ollie Clarke and JCH right now.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 8, 2021 18:56:24 GMT
At the point of sacking BG, the decision was indeed wrong - it should have been implemented months before. The point you're missing (conveniently) is football management isn't just about stats alone. BG is responsible for turning a potentially promotion team into what we now know is relegation material. Or... He came into an overachieving team, flogged to death where the manager had just quit. The team then lost the best GK in the league to injury, the goal scoring centre forward was 60% fit and being patched up to get on the pitch. Just maybe the club had a massive problem with a wage bill that was unaffordable caused by years of mismanagement handing overrated, older players big contracts that were unaffordable for a club of our size. Wael just possibly agreed to write off the debt as long as the club reduced the average age of the squad and decreased the wage bill to make the club sustainable. Actually, no none of the above could be correct. GC walked out on a chance of being a Championship manager in order to be a League 2 manager closer to home and the club was really well run, wages were relevant to income and the bloated list of over paid players would have stormed the playoffs and finished mid table in the championship the following year. Incredibly the board hired BG and behind their backs he sold all these old players on big money and secretly paid nothing for young up and comers without any discussion with the board, recruitment team or Wael. All speculation. If we had been opportunistic and achieved promotion, sponsorship and TV rights would have paid for itself. That's speculation too. BG tenure has put us back years....it will be years before we are capable of challenging for promotion in this league. Unforgivable. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 8, 2021 19:08:01 GMT
What id do for Tony Craig, Liam Sercombe, Ollie Clarke and JCH right now. Definitely take Craig, JCH and Secombe (on his first season's form). Never been a fan of Clarke although his commitment could never be faulted. In our current situation, he's just the sort of battling player we currently need. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 8, 2021 19:20:22 GMT
What id do for Tony Craig, Liam Sercombe, Ollie Clarke and JCH right now. Definitely take Craig, JCH and Secombe (on his first season's form). Never been a fan of Clarke although his commitment could never be faulted. In our current situation, he's just the sort of battling player we currently need. JCH was never staying and everyone else that left went to League two. Why do you think there wasn’t one, not one, team in our division that bought them? These players that were taking us to the championship all ended up in League 2? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 8, 2021 19:31:30 GMT
Definitely take Craig, JCH and Secombe (on his first season's form). Never been a fan of Clarke although his commitment could never be faulted. In our current situation, he's just the sort of battling player we currently need. JCH was never staying and everyone else that left went to League two. Why do you think there wasn’t one, not one, team in our division that bought them? These players that were taking us to the championship all ended up in League 2? Which just shows how good a manager GC was compared to BG, the former made "L2" players put in top 6 chasing performances over 46 games, the latter oversaw them put in L2 type performances before he binned them all for, mostly, untried, youngsters, in the summer. Given we now have 27(?) first team squad players I doubt the wage budget has been cut that significantly. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 8, 2021 19:42:34 GMT
Definitely take Craig, JCH and Secombe (on his first season's form). Never been a fan of Clarke although his commitment could never be faulted. In our current situation, he's just the sort of battling player we currently need. JCH was never staying and everyone else that left went to League two. Why do you think there wasn’t one, not one, team in our division that bought them? These players that were taking us to the championship all ended up in League 2? Just to add I like all of these players and am not being disrespectful as they have had careers as professional footballers that most people only ever dreamt of. My comments are in context. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 8, 2021 19:43:30 GMT
JCH was never staying and everyone else that left went to League two. Why do you think there wasn’t one, not one, team in our division that bought them? These players that were taking us to the championship all ended up in League 2? Which just shows how good a manager GC was compared to BG, the former made "L2" players put in top 6 chasing performances over 46 games, the latter oversaw them put in L2 type performances before he binned them all for, mostly, untried, youngsters, in the summer. Given we now have 27(?) first team squad players I doubt the wage budget has been cut that significantly. GC did amazing with the players he had in the circumstances. Absolutely fantastic, he squeezed every ounce out of that squad. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 8, 2021 21:13:29 GMT
JCH was never staying and everyone else that left went to League two. Why do you think there wasn’t one, not one, team in our division that bought them? These players that were taking us to the championship all ended up in League 2? Which just shows how good a manager GC was compared to BG, the former made "L2" players put in top 6 chasing performances over 46 games, the latter oversaw them put in L2 type performances before he binned them all for, mostly, untried, youngsters, in the summer. Given we now have 27(?) first team squad players I doubt the wage budget has been cut that significantly. Name the players you would bring back? And name the players you would let go of. Who you bringing back? Reilly? Nichols? Holmes-Dennis? Clarke? Sercombe? Look back through your posts. Absolute hypocrites. The football was slaughtered as were all of the players named above. To a person we would have all kept JCH and Craig only. |
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Post by henry on Feb 8, 2021 21:30:42 GMT
Which just shows how good a manager GC was compared to BG, the former made "L2" players put in top 6 chasing performances over 46 games, the latter oversaw them put in L2 type performances before he binned them all for, mostly, untried, youngsters, in the summer. Given we now have 27(?) first team squad players I doubt the wage budget has been cut that significantly. Name the players you would bring back? And name the players you would let go of. Who you bringing back? Reilly? Nichols? Holmes-Dennis? Clarke? Sercombe? Look back through your posts. Absolute hypocrites. The football was slaughtered as were all of the players named above. To a person we would have all kept JCH and Craig only. That is something I totally agree with and it was scandalous the bile aimed at Graham coughlan just because the football wasn’t, in their opinion, attractive. He done an excellent job when Darrel left and an even better one taking us to fourth, bugger attractive football when you are in with a chance of promotion. That’s my view. |
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Post by 1986gashead on Feb 8, 2021 21:52:24 GMT
What id do for Tony Craig, Liam Sercombe, Ollie Clarke and JCH right now. I didn’t massively disagree with them leaving at the time, but they weren’t replaced with better players so in hindsight it would be great to have them now yeah. I remember Trollope releasing Steve Elliott and Craig Disley (which was the right thing to do in order to progress) but then replaced them with average and frankly worse players. All the fans were then saying we should never have let them go... but the problem was then and is now in the recruitment it seems... to me anyway |
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Post by gruad on Feb 8, 2021 21:58:53 GMT
He seems to be like a mad professor experimenting all the time with nothing consistent from game to game.
Let's hope he finds the magic formula before it's too late...
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 8, 2021 22:11:32 GMT
What id do for Tony Craig, Liam Sercombe, Ollie Clarke and JCH right now. I’d settle for Macca, Manse, Ollie C and Rory G. We’d see some fight all the time not just occasionally. UTG! |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 8, 2021 22:16:46 GMT
What id do for Tony Craig, Liam Sercombe, Ollie Clarke and JCH right now. I’d settle for Macca, Manse, Ollie C and Rory G. We’d see some fight all the time not just occasionally. UTG! Daly, Hanlan, Baldwin, Nicholson, McCormick....never give up. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 8, 2021 22:20:58 GMT
Which just shows how good a manager GC was compared to BG, the former made "L2" players put in top 6 chasing performances over 46 games, the latter oversaw them put in L2 type performances before he binned them all for, mostly, untried, youngsters, in the summer. Given we now have 27(?) first team squad players I doubt the wage budget has been cut that significantly. Name the players you would bring back? And name the players you would let go of. Who you bringing back? Reilly? Nichols? Holmes-Dennis? Clarke? Sercombe? Look back through your posts. Absolute hypocrites. The football was slaughtered as were all of the players named above. To a person we would have all kept JCH and Craig only. Admittedly the football was poor, but in typical Rovers fashion it was starting to improve just before the post Ipswich fall out, although you seem to be missing the point, which was GC had a group of players appearing to play well beyond their means, BG arrived and brought down to their natural level, or even below it. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 8, 2021 22:31:33 GMT
Name the players you would bring back? And name the players you would let go of. Who you bringing back? Reilly? Nichols? Holmes-Dennis? Clarke? Sercombe? Look back through your posts. Absolute hypocrites. The football was slaughtered as were all of the players named above. To a person we would have all kept JCH and Craig only. Admittedly the football was poor, but in typical Rovers fashion it was starting to improve just before the post Ipswich fall out, although you seem to be missing the point, which was GC had a group of players appearing to play well beyond their means, BG arrived and brought down to their natural level, or even below it. No you’re missing the point. GC quit! Why would a manager destined for the championship and all the advertising and sponsorship money that brings just suddenly quit? |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 8, 2021 22:32:48 GMT
Admittedly the football was poor, but in typical Rovers fashion it was starting to improve just before the post Ipswich fall out, although you seem to be missing the point, which was GC had a group of players appearing to play well beyond their means, BG arrived and brought down to their natural level, or even below it. No you’re missing the point. GC quit! Why would a manager destined for the championship and all the advertising and sponsorship money that brings just suddenly quit? They didn’t replace GC with BG. GC quit...just before the transfer window. What does that tell you? |
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Post by landrover on Feb 8, 2021 23:00:44 GMT
Which just shows how good a manager GC was compared to BG, the former made "L2" players put in top 6 chasing performances over 46 games, the latter oversaw them put in L2 type performances before he binned them all for, mostly, untried, youngsters, in the summer. Given we now have 27(?) first team squad players I doubt the wage budget has been cut that significantly. Name the players you would bring back? And name the players you would let go of. Who you bringing back? Reilly? Nichols? Holmes-Dennis? Clarke? Sercombe? Look back through your posts. Absolute hypocrites. The football was slaughtered as were all of the players named above. To a person we would have all kept JCH and Craig only. Your wrong pal, I never ever slaughtered anything Coughlan did. He was my type of manager, straight, honest, hard working and had an understanding of what was needed to succeed, which was an ability to defend, a requirement for the ball to be passed forward and crucially, for the players to give one hundred per cent effort and belief to the cause. I’m still scratching my head as to why he flopped at Mansfield, perhaps his recruitment was poor. Anyway, his ship has sailed. I’d like to think that I’m fairly knowledgeable about the game yet the appointment of Garner was doomed from the start. This was a lad with no professional appearances, no managerial experience and was third or fourth choice coach at two premiership clubs. Funnily enough even I, a fierce critic, thought the timing of his dismissal odd. Garner’s fate seemed to be decided before the Fleetwood debacle. Widdrington’s influence behind the scenes cannot be underestimated. Like Garner, he talks a great game when in reality all he is doing is empire building. |
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Post by aghast on Feb 8, 2021 23:08:09 GMT
No you’re missing the point. GC quit! Why would a manager destined for the championship and all the advertising and sponsorship money that brings just suddenly quit? They didn’t replace GC with BG. GC quit...just before the transfer window. What does that tell you? It doesn't tell me anything. The truth is, we don't really know why GC left. Maybe he really was needing to move closer to his family. Maybe he was told that if we did win an unlikely promotion, he would not be given the huge funds needed to stay in the Championship, and we would drop straight back down, as Wycombe clearly will. Maybe he was on a poor salary as an internal appointment and felt he had to move to get what he felt he deserved. Maybe through the football grapevine he had got wind of the fact that the club were courting Ben Garner, and jumped before he was pushed. It's all guesswork. What isn't guesswork is that Garner had a truly appalling record and the club felt he had to go, even with the selective use of stats like his final five games in charge. Bad as things have been under Tisdale, you seem to be saying that Garner was also awful but not quite as awful for certain short periods, and therefore should not have been sacked. It's a bit like going to the supermarket and finding you've bought a rotten cabbage. You get a replacement and find that's rotten too. And you then say 'I made a mistake. I should have kept the first cabbage'. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 0:06:37 GMT
If I bummed a guy and regretted it . I'd turn to Paul. X
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