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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 9, 2021 7:17:26 GMT
They didn’t replace GC with BG. GC quit...just before the transfer window. What does that tell you? It doesn't tell me anything. The truth is, we don't really know why GC left. Maybe he really was needing to move closer to his family. Maybe he was told that if we did win an unlikely promotion, he would not be given the huge funds needed to stay in the Championship, and we would drop straight back down, as Wycombe clearly will. Maybe he was on a poor salary as an internal appointment and felt he had to move to get what he felt he deserved. Maybe through the football grapevine he had got wind of the fact that the club were courting Ben Garner, and jumped before he was pushed. It's all guesswork. What isn't guesswork is that Garner had a truly appalling record and the club felt he had to go, even with the selective use of stats like his final five games in charge. Bad as things have been under Tisdale, you seem to be saying that Garner was also awful but not quite as awful for certain short periods, and therefore should not have been sacked. It's a bit like going to the supermarket and finding you've bought a rotten cabbage. You get a replacement and find that's rotten too. And you then say 'I made a mistake. I should have kept the first cabbage'. Final 8 games was 1.38 points per game. All league games this season, 11 games in total = 1.1 points per game. 12 points overall. You can talk cabbages, carrots and cauliflowers but those stats aren’t selective. They are current form and full season stats. PT last 8 games is currently 0.63 points per game. All league games for PT this season, 14 games in total = 0.86 points per game. |
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Post by landrover on Feb 9, 2021 8:50:47 GMT
It doesn't tell me anything. The truth is, we don't really know why GC left. Maybe he really was needing to move closer to his family. Maybe he was told that if we did win an unlikely promotion, he would not be given the huge funds needed to stay in the Championship, and we would drop straight back down, as Wycombe clearly will. Maybe he was on a poor salary as an internal appointment and felt he had to move to get what he felt he deserved. Maybe through the football grapevine he had got wind of the fact that the club were courting Ben Garner, and jumped before he was pushed. It's all guesswork. What isn't guesswork is that Garner had a truly appalling record and the club felt he had to go, even with the selective use of stats like his final five games in charge. Bad as things have been under Tisdale, you seem to be saying that Garner was also awful but not quite as awful for certain short periods, and therefore should not have been sacked. It's a bit like going to the supermarket and finding you've bought a rotten cabbage. You get a replacement and find that's rotten too. And you then say 'I made a mistake. I should have kept the first cabbage'. Final 8 games was 1.38 points per game. All league games this season, 11 games in total = 1.1 points per game. 12 points overall. You can talk cabbages, carrots and cauliflowers but those stats aren’t selective. They are current form and full season stats. PT last 8 games is currently 0.63 points per game. All league games for PT this season, 14 games in total = 0.86 points per game. I can’t recall you coming on here calling for Garner’s head after he had achieved a mighty 4 points from his opening 8 league games. And somewhere in amongst that he managed to get us knocked out of the FA Cup and also out of the Football League Trophy. Time for you to stop digging because all you’re doing is reminding posters just how bad your boy was. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 9, 2021 9:07:25 GMT
I’m not calling for PTs head. He should never have got the job.
The board have made a terrible decision to sack a manager not in relegation form and appoint a manager that has taken us into relegation form.
Garner struggled first season, no doubt at all. I think he was 0.54 ppg.
But the board stuck with him. Signed players he wanted, set things up his way and then sacked him when he had the following run:
8 games W 3 D 2 L 3
You sack a manager at a club like ours when they are struggling in the relegation zone.
- Hodges at Wimbledon last 8 games W 0 D 2 L 6
- Ricketts at Shrewsbury last 8 games W 0 D 3 L 5
- Buxton at Burton last 8 games W 0 D 3 L 5
Can you not see what a catastrophic decision
It was to sack a manager 8 weeks after backing him in the transfer window on a run of form where two of the losses were against teams
In the top 3.
You can talk about last year, you can talk about next year but the board have failed us miserably yet again and they are hiding.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 9, 2021 9:16:27 GMT
I’m not calling for PTs head. He should never have got the job. The board have made a terrible decision to sack a manager not in relegation form and appoint a manager that has taken us into relegation form. Garner struggled first season, no doubt at all. I think he was 0.54 ppg. But the board stuck with him. Signed players he wanted, set things up his way and then sacked him when he had the following run: 8 games W 3 D 2 L 3 You sack a manager at a club like ours when they are struggling in the relegation zone. - Hodges at Wimbledon last 8 games W 0 D 2 L 6 - Ricketts at Shrewsbury last 8 games W 0 D 3 L 5 - Buxton at Burton last 8 games W 0 D 3 L 5 Can you not see what a catastrophic decision It was to sack a manager 8 weeks after backing him in the transfer window on a run of form where two of the losses were against teams In the top 3. You can talk about last year, you can talk about next year but the board have failed us miserably yet again and they are hiding. What's this obsession with bigging up one of the (if not the) worst managers in our history? It's starting to look pathological. |
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Post by landrover on Feb 9, 2021 9:23:34 GMT
carlts, the reason you are saying that Tisdale shouldn’t have got the job in the first place is because Garner shouldn’t have been sacked. In other words, it’s not just Tisdale, anyone else would be in your firing line. Garner was clearly out of his depth and was lucky to survive as long as he did. Why are you constantly in denial?
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Post by rusho'gas on Feb 9, 2021 9:36:24 GMT
This whole thread is bizarre, beyond bizarre.
Has Tisdale been sacked ? No
Was Garner one of the worst (statistically) managers in Rovers history ?
Fairly black and white really
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 9, 2021 9:44:26 GMT
This whole thread is bizarre, beyond bizarre. Has Tisdale been sacked ? No Was Garner one of the worst (statistically) managers in Rovers history ? Fairly black and white really What seems odd is that we sacked a manager that was doing badly having been doing appallingly. Especially when everyone was told he was here to change the whole thinking and recruitment at the club, a long term experiment. Then appoint proven unsuccessful manager at this level to shore up the ship and ensure we don’t go down and he makes things worse. New manager bounce? More like dead cat bounce |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 9, 2021 9:59:22 GMT
I’d settle for Macca, Manse, Ollie C and Rory G. We’d see some fight all the time not just occasionally. UTG! Daly, Hanlan, Baldwin, Nicholson, McCormick....never give up. Perhaps read what I said? Daly hasn’t played for ages until Saturday, McC hasn’t always been selected recently, Baldwin missed a few matches recently, Hanlan and Nicholson I agree with you. But I’m sure you’d agree we need than 2 regulars and 3 maybes to be trying all the time. Blimey, and I’m a rose-tinter! 😉 UTG! |
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 9, 2021 10:06:50 GMT
carlts, the reason you are saying that Tisdale shouldn’t have got the job in the first place is because Garner shouldn’t have been sacked. In other words, it’s not just Tisdale, anyone else would be in your firing line. Garner was clearly out of his depth and was lucky to survive as long as he did. Why are you constantly in denial? what with being on gardening leave winter and lockdown ben hasn't got much to do apart from chucking out stats about himself. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 9, 2021 10:46:51 GMT
I’m not calling for PTs head. He should never have got the job. The board have made a terrible decision to sack a manager not in relegation form and appoint a manager that has taken us into relegation form. Garner struggled first season, no doubt at all. I think he was 0.54 ppg. But the board stuck with him. Signed players he wanted, set things up his way and then sacked him when he had the following run: 8 games W 3 D 2 L 3 You sack a manager at a club like ours when they are struggling in the relegation zone. - Hodges at Wimbledon last 8 games W 0 D 2 L 6 - Ricketts at Shrewsbury last 8 games W 0 D 3 L 5 - Buxton at Burton last 8 games W 0 D 3 L 5 Can you not see what a catastrophic decision It was to sack a manager 8 weeks after backing him in the transfer window on a run of form where two of the losses were against teams In the top 3. You can talk about last year, you can talk about next year but the board have failed us miserably yet again and they are hiding. What's this obsession with bigging up one of the (if not the) worst managers in our history? It's starting to look pathological. I’m showing you that it was a very strange decision to sack a manager when he was improving. What we did was bizarre when compared to similar clubs, in similar positions. Actual stats, actual results analysis is not bigging up. Why don’t you respond to the message? Analyse the data yourself. We sacked a manager who had the team recording wins, taking points off teams around us and improving. You seem to gloss over anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 9, 2021 10:48:29 GMT
carlts, the reason you are saying that Tisdale shouldn’t have got the job in the first place is because Garner shouldn’t have been sacked. In other words, it’s not just Tisdale, anyone else would be in your firing line. Garner was clearly out of his depth and was lucky to survive as long as he did. Why are you constantly in denial? Far from it. An appointment that improved the PPG and wins ratio, league position such as Cotterill at Shrewsbury could never be argued. It would be impossible to do so on statistical and factual analysis. Facts and stats are PT has made us worse. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 9, 2021 10:49:41 GMT
This whole thread is bizarre, beyond bizarre. Has Tisdale been sacked ? No Was Garner one of the worst (statistically) managers in Rovers history ? Fairly black and white really What seems odd is that we sacked a manager that was doing badly having been doing appallingly. Especially when everyone was told he was here to change the whole thinking and recruitment at the club, a long term experiment. Then appoint proven unsuccessful manager at this level to shore up the ship and ensure we don’t go down and he makes things worse. New manager bounce? More like dead cat bounce Exactly this. If the MEM was open I would expect a massive revolt against Starnes and Widdrington. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 9, 2021 10:51:11 GMT
Daly, Hanlan, Baldwin, Nicholson, McCormick....never give up. Perhaps read what I said? Daly hasn’t played for ages until Saturday, McC hasn’t always been selected recently, Baldwin missed a few matches recently, Hanlan and Nicholson I agree with you. But I’m sure you’d agree we need than 2 regulars and 3 maybes to be trying all the time. Blimey, and I’m a rose-tinter! 😉 UTG! Who do you believe / feel doesn’t try in our current team / match day squad? On a regular basis who lets us down effort wise and doesn’t give 100%? |
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 9, 2021 10:56:10 GMT
What seems odd is that we sacked a manager that was doing badly having been doing appallingly. Especially when everyone was told he was here to change the whole thinking and recruitment at the club, a long term experiment. Then appoint proven unsuccessful manager at this level to shore up the ship and ensure we don’t go down and he makes things worse. New manager bounce? More like dead cat bounce Exactly this. If the MEM was open I would expect a massive revolt against Starnes and Widdrington. You're joking right? Relegation to the Conference was greeted with a collective shrug. Most apathetic fanbase in world football. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 9, 2021 11:12:55 GMT
Exactly this. If the MEM was open I would expect a massive revolt against Starnes and Widdrington. You're joking right? Relegation to the Conference was greeted with a collective shrug. Most apathetic fanbase in world football. Except the bloke in skin tight shorts and tank top that punched a horse. Apparently. |
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Post by justin blue on Feb 9, 2021 11:20:24 GMT
What seems odd is that we sacked a manager that was doing badly having been doing appallingly. Especially when everyone was told he was here to change the whole thinking and recruitment at the club, a long term experiment. Then appoint proven unsuccessful manager at this level to shore up the ship and ensure we don’t go down and he makes things worse. New manager bounce? More like dead cat bounce Exactly this. If the MEM was open I would expect a massive revolt against Starnes and Widdrington. Would you be revolting? |
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 9, 2021 11:27:37 GMT
You're joking right? Relegation to the Conference was greeted with a collective shrug. Most apathetic fanbase in world football. Except the bloke in skin tight shorts and tank top that punched a horse. Apparently. That was a shrug, the horse got in the way. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 9, 2021 11:33:31 GMT
Exactly this. If the MEM was open I would expect a massive revolt against Starnes and Widdrington. You're joking right? Relegation to the Conference was greeted with a collective shrug. Most apathetic fanbase in world football. I couldn’t disagree with that at all. In the last twenty years we must have become the softest touch in soccer. I bet the three stooges ( Starnes/Widdington/Tisdale ) can’t believe they can pick up their salaries with so little grief. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 9, 2021 11:43:52 GMT
You're joking right? Relegation to the Conference was greeted with a collective shrug. Most apathetic fanbase in world football. I couldn’t disagree with that at all. In the last twenty years we must have become the softest touch in soccer. I bet the three stooges ( Starnes/Widdington/Tisdale ) can’t believe they can pick up their salaries with so little grief. It’s a disgrace is what it is. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 9, 2021 12:14:37 GMT
I couldn’t disagree with that at all. In the last twenty years we must have become the softest touch in soccer. I bet the three stooges ( Starnes/Widdington/Tisdale ) can’t believe they can pick up their salaries with so little grief. It’s a disgrace is what it is. You'd better start a protest then, with all your mates who just won't stand for such a disgrace. I won't hold my breath, mind. |
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