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Post by wsmjohn on Mar 14, 2021 8:23:58 GMT
Take Devon out of that 1989/90 team and there’s no way we would have got promoted. He caused opposition defences no end of problems and when it mattered most, he applied the cool finishes that won us the title. A highly effective target man who knew his game and got the very best out of himself and others in his career. There’s no way Mehew and Saunders get half the goals they got for the Gas without Devon’s contribution and that’s no sleight at all on their abilities. He was absolutely pivotal to the way we played and deserves enormous respect for what he helped us achieve. Who's to say that if we didn't have Devon, we'd have had someone else? Someone better? Someone quicker. Someone with more skill. Someone who could score more than 10 a season. Like I said, I thought he was pretty useless. Opinions. |
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Post by wsmjohn on Mar 14, 2021 8:28:07 GMT
Take Devon out of that 1989/90 team and there’s no way we would have got promoted. He caused opposition defences no end of problems and when it mattered most, he applied the cool finishes that won us the title. A highly effective target man who knew his game and got the very best out of himself and others in his career. There’s no way Mehew and Saunders get half the goals they got for the Gas without Devon’s contribution and that’s no sleight at all on their abilities. He was absolutely pivotal to the way we played and deserves enormous respect for what he helped us achieve. Who's to say that if we didn't have Devon, we'd have had someone else? Someone better? Someone quicker. Someone with more skill. Someone who could score more than 10 a season. Like I said, I thought he was pretty useless. Opinions. [br Only got to play in the Premier league, Devon was big powerfu, a little clumsy but could finish. Really enjoyed watching him. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 14, 2021 8:30:57 GMT
Who's to say that if we didn't have Devon, we'd have had someone else? Someone better? Someone quicker. Someone with more skill. Someone who could score more than 10 a season. Like I said, I thought he was pretty useless. Opinions. [br Only got to play in the Premier league, Devon was big powerfu, a little clumsy but could finish. Really enjoyed watching him. 1 season and scored less than 10, so to say he could finish isn't really true. If you enjoyed watching him then that's all that matters. I didn't. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Mar 14, 2021 8:32:13 GMT
You’ve got the skin of rhino and the brains of a rocking horse. Is this like some Native American naming exercise? In which case I will be “shouts after pints” I’m definitely “Swears at Inanimate Objects” . . . |
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Post by lisbongas on Mar 14, 2021 8:35:25 GMT
Take Devon out of that 1989/90 team and there’s no way we would have got promoted. He caused opposition defences no end of problems and when it mattered most, he applied the cool finishes that won us the title. A highly effective target man who knew his game and got the very best out of himself and others in his career. There’s no way Mehew and Saunders get half the goals they got for the Gas without Devon’s contribution and that’s no sleight at all on their abilities. He was absolutely pivotal to the way we played and deserves enormous respect for what he helped us achieve. Who's to say that if we didn't have Devon, we'd have had someone else? Someone better? Someone quicker. Someone with more skill. Someone who could score more than 10 a season. Like I said, I thought he was pretty useless. Opinions. You'll be knocking big Christian Mclean next! Don't recall many fans back in 1990 who were saying lets drop Devon White because on the budget we have available we will easily attract a better quicker more skillful centre forward. As I say Devon went on to play in the premiership which suggests he had a little bit about him. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2021 8:43:21 GMT
Using the predictor 48 does seem enough, I assume with the 4 teams all battling together it reduces the number of points required? Regardless we just need to stay top of the bottom 6 til the end of the season.
It looking like games v Plymouth, Crewe etc could be the game that make or break our season.
Back to the game I wonder why Oztumer is now so out of favour &/or fitness/form, as he helped us hammer Wimbledon not so ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2021 8:46:58 GMT
How the match thread has got onto debating the merits of Bruno I’m not quite sure but fwiw my opinion of him was that he was awkward, unpredictable, uneasy on the eye but hugely effective and his strength and ‘bullying’ of defences helped bring others into the game - he was your classic old school no 9 target man. He wasn’t useless but was a player that had certain strengths that he played to. You’d never see him go on mazy runs as that wasn’t his game but he was fairly clinical in the 6 yard box and great at forcing things using his strength.
Do I think he’d be as effective in today’s modern game or have been a premiership player if he was around now? - probably not but at his time he was and it was fully deserved.
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Post by baggins on Mar 14, 2021 8:55:53 GMT
Who's to say that if we didn't have Devon, we'd have had someone else? Someone better? Someone quicker. Someone with more skill. Someone who could score more than 10 a season. Like I said, I thought he was pretty useless. Opinions. You'll be knocking big Christian Mclean next! Don't recall many fans back in 1990 who were saying lets drop Devon White because on the budget we have available we will easily attract a better quicker more skillful centre forward. As I say Devon went on to play in the premiership which suggests he had a little bit about him. That's fine. |
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 14, 2021 9:03:29 GMT
Using the predictor 48 does seem enough, I assume with the 4 teams all battling together it reduces the number of points required? Regardless we just need to stay top of the bottom 6 til the end of the season. It looking like games v Plymouth, Crewe etc could be the game that make or break our season. Back to the game I wonder why Oztumer is now so out of favour &/or fitness/form, as he helped us hammer Wimbledon not so ago. I think we need to aim for 54 dont want a last day we need a draw business, we ve been there before, think we are better against teams that want to play and poor against the lower battling teams. I expect us to get 4 points this week both Charlton and Plymouth are there for the taking, expect Hare to come in if Rodders is unfit. |
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Post by 4d on Mar 14, 2021 9:10:26 GMT
Pos Team P GD Pts
1 Peterborough 46 +22 97
2 Sunderland 46 +25 95
3 Hull 46 +32 94
4 Doncaster 46 +12 77
5 Portsmouth 46 +13 74
6 Lincoln City 46 +19 73
7 Ipswich 46 +5 72
8 Oxford Utd 46 +7 66
9 Charlton 46 +3 63
10 Accrington Stanley 46 +5 58
11 Gillingham 46 +1 58
12 Crewe 46 -3 56
13 Blackpool 46 +8 55
14 Burton Albion 46 -13 55
15 Shrewsbury 46 -1 54
16 Plymouth 46 -12 54
17 Bristol Rovers 46 -19 54
18 Fleetwood Town 46 +9 53
19 MK Dons 46 +0 52
20 AFC Wimbledon 46 -24 46
21 Rochdale 46 -21 44
22 Northampton 46 -21 43
23 Wigan 46 -23 41
24 Swindon 46 -24 41
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Post by 4d on Mar 14, 2021 9:17:04 GMT
Also run in doesn’t seem so daunting if you look at the form table, which might be more relevant...
1 Burton Albion 8 +8 21
2 Hull City 8 +15 19
3 Sunderland 8 +12 19
4 Peterborough United 8 +7 16
5 Blackpool 8 +4 15
6 Ipswich Town 8 +2 15
7 Gillingham 8 +3 13
8 Shrewsbury Town 8 +2 12
9 Fleetwood Town 8 +1 12
10 Bristol Rovers 8 0 10
11 Oxford United 8 -1 10
12 Milton Keynes Dons 8 -4 10
13 Northampton Town 8 +2 9
14 Lincoln City 8 +1 9
15 Wigan Athletic 8 -3 9
16 Charlton Athletic 8 -3 9
17 AFC Wimbledon 8 -5 9
18 Doncaster Rovers 8 -4 8
19 Accrington Stanley 8 -5 8
20 Crewe Alexandra 8 -6 8
21 Swindon Town 8 -5 7
22 Portsmouth 8 -6 7
23 Plymouth Argyle 8 -7 7
24 Rochdale 8 -8 5
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2021 9:24:55 GMT
Using the predictor 48 does seem enough, I assume with the 4 teams all battling together it reduces the number of points required? Regardless we just need to stay top of the bottom 6 til the end of the season. It looking like games v Plymouth, Crewe etc could be the game that make or break our season. Back to the game I wonder why Oztumer is now so out of favour &/or fitness/form, as he helped us hammer Wimbledon not so ago. I think we need to aim for 54 dont want a last day we need a draw business, we ve been there before, think we are better against teams that want to play and poor against the lower battling teams. I expect us to get 4 points this week both Charlton and Plymouth are there for the taking, expect Hare to come in if Rodders is unfit. Where are posters getting that Charlton are there for the taking from, their home form isn't brilliant but their current form is reasonable and they are only 2 pts of a play off place. Just avoiding defeat will be a good result. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 14, 2021 9:25:58 GMT
I doubt even JB has got us down to achieve 54 pts!
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Post by Gaswood on Mar 14, 2021 9:29:48 GMT
Only target for me is staying up, however we manage it. Then it (hopefully) gives JB a chance to assess the squad and set up, then make any adjustments. Also a full pre-season with that coaching team and systems. I’ve seen a better standard even in the games we haven’t won, so as long as we stay up that’s fine with me however many points or GD it takes!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 14, 2021 9:33:48 GMT
Nice! Can we expect pics of a prawn cocktail, chicken in a basket, and banana split for your dinner tonight? So Just remember troops, if th match is bad.....  *this post is meant as humour, if anyone is offended I apologise in advance 👍 I don't know any Berni's.... |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 14, 2021 9:36:09 GMT
48 points I'd agree wouldnt normally be enough and if that's what we end up with I think it will be a very nervous last couple of games. But to get to 48 the bottom 3 all need another 17 points so effectively 6 wins from their remaining games. That's a tall order considering Swindon & Rochdale have 11 games left each.
I'm not suggesting 48 will definitely be enough but the bottom 6 all have to win 5 or 6 games to get to that mark. Ultimately I'd rather we sorted this mess out ourselves rather than hoping 4 teams are a slightly worse than us, 3 points on Tues would be a good start
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Post by lympstonegas on Mar 14, 2021 9:38:38 GMT
Who's to say that if we didn't have Devon, we'd have had someone else? Someone better? Someone quicker. Someone with more skill. Someone who could score more than 10 a season. Like I said, I thought he was pretty useless. Opinions. You'll be knocking big Christian Mclean next! Don't recall many fans back in 1990 who were saying lets drop Devon White because on the budget we have available we will easily attract a better quicker more skillful centre forward. As I say Devon went on to play in the premiership which suggests he had a little bit about him. Legend alone for the goals he scored against the sh** Bit like Gary Smart only Bruno played in the premiership. Dissing Gerry Francis opinion on a player otherwise and we all know what a side he assembled at Twerton |
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Post by LJG on Mar 14, 2021 9:40:28 GMT
let’s hope it’s Paul Tisdale or Ben Garner🙏🏻 Hope not. 1.08 points per game might see them safe. |
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Post by gregsy on Mar 14, 2021 12:02:37 GMT
Think it was 1958 we last won there. Certainly not seen a win there in my supporting days - plenty of defeats sadly. Seen us play them away at The Valley, Selhurst Park and Upton Park and never win at any of them, since they’ve played us at Eastville, Twerton and The Mem this must be up there as one of the head to head confrontations involving the most home grounds? Brighton might’ve topped it but I don’t think we played them when they were exiled at Gillingham so I think they equal it. We played Charlton away at 'the mount' in Catford during their one and only season there in 23/24 (1st march 24) coming out 3-1 winners, so thats 7 different home venues. Eastville, Twerton, Mem - Valley, Mount, Upton, Selhurst. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mount_(stadium)Rotherham is a 6: Eastville,Twerton, Mem - Millmoor, Don Valley, New York. Brighton is a potential 6 if we play at Falmer. This made me look into fixtures between Charlton and Brighton. Valley, Mount, Upton, Selhurst - Goldstone, withdean, Falmer, which is also 7 So if we ever build a new ground we should have that record sorted as far as I can tell, unless anyone can think of a higher figure. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Mar 14, 2021 12:18:26 GMT
I doubt even JB has got us down to achieve 54 pts! There's no way we will get 54 points. I suspect the safety point tally will be somewhere between 48 and 51 points. The relegation table has decreased to six clubs now Burton have climbed away. It looks like their January acquisitions have had a dramatic effect on their fortunes. |
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