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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 21:19:16 GMT
And to a lesser extent the hypocrites on here who shout the loudest about recorded deaths in UK through COVID are the same people condoning and shouting the loudest about the right to hold protests during a pandemic. And on the flip side the others on here who told us it isn't that bad, there are countries worse off than us and we're doing a stellar job - then they really shouldn't be bothered about a protest. The protestors were probably safer protesting outside, than being coaxed in to restaurants for eat out to die out, pressured in to unsafe work places, forced into schools and student digs etc... Obviously they were safer outside... until the police turned up and started rioting. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 24, 2021 21:24:29 GMT
And to a lesser extent the hypocrites on here who shout the loudest about recorded deaths in UK through COVID are the same people condoning and shouting the loudest about the right to hold protests during a pandemic. For example There is no evidence that BLM supported demonstrations last summer dramatically increased covid infection rates and therefore deaths, but there is clear evidence that the shambolic policies and announcements from November through to the week before Christmas did. That's why Your on a roll oldie , absolutely correct ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 21:37:23 GMT
To some degree, but not protesting means the 'big boys' just carry on. There are other ways to do it, but sometimes it needs mass movement. We seem to conflate a few issues, firstly protesting. Yes, it still has a place. Boycotting is another but I'm not totally convinced it works. Sometimes it does. Secondly those involved, it's not a right or left thing. I'm sure the 'right' would protest too if the issue was heartfelt and to be honest, using descriptions like that tends to box in and polarise debate. Someone will want an outcome just because they think they disagree with the person rather than realise it affects them too. Thirdly, what happens and why things turn ugly. We don't know, it's probably a mixture of the things I mentioned earlier. I don't condone the march but I do understand why they felt that way. Ask yourself, if you wanted to change something which you felt deeply about, how would you do it? Who are the ‘big boys’ you refer to Stuart? Apple, Samsung,Starbucks, costa, Amazon, BP, shell, TUI, etc.? What I can’t get my head around is the exact same people, not all obviously, who protest against these big organisations have a mobile phone, drink in Costa and buy from Amazon, drive cars/vans and fly to foreign destinations! It makes their political protest pointless and hypocritical. As for Government decisions and laws so be it, we elect which Party is in power through ‘democracy’ and we should be law abiding and accept. As i pointed out in another post, these protest are a magnet for extreme groups to infiltrate and go against the establishment something which, I expect, people who should know better are quietly pleased with. If I wanted to change something I personally felt deeply about i would go through the proper channels but I would not chase a lost cause through a protest as i have better things to do with my time and I especially wouldn’t want to be near some of the people shown at that protest with the deadly Covid virus raising its ugly head. Henry! I know you are here just to bait the libs and left but do you really want to play the hypocrisy nonesence? It's quite silly... I mean, you eat fruit and food that is processed by immigrants, you drive on publicly funded roads, used a state school, have had socialist health-care. See, it's childish isn't it, and daft. I don't see how you can argue against the left when you don't even know what the left is. Also, you say antifa are paid... What do you mean by this? |
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Post by henry on Mar 24, 2021 22:36:09 GMT
Who are the ‘big boys’ you refer to Stuart? Apple, Samsung,Starbucks, costa, Amazon, BP, shell, TUI, etc.? What I can’t get my head around is the exact same people, not all obviously, who protest against these big organisations have a mobile phone, drink in Costa and buy from Amazon, drive cars/vans and fly to foreign destinations! It makes their political protest pointless and hypocritical. As for Government decisions and laws so be it, we elect which Party is in power through ‘democracy’ and we should be law abiding and accept. As i pointed out in another post, these protest are a magnet for extreme groups to infiltrate and go against the establishment something which, I expect, people who should know better are quietly pleased with. If I wanted to change something I personally felt deeply about i would go through the proper channels but I would not chase a lost cause through a protest as i have better things to do with my time and I especially wouldn’t want to be near some of the people shown at that protest with the deadly Covid virus raising its ugly head. Henry! I know you are here just to bait the libs and left but do you really want to play the hypocrisy nonesence? It's quite silly... I mean, you eat fruit and food that is processed by immigrants, you drive on publicly funded roads, used a state school, have had socialist health-care. See, it's childish isn't it, and daft. I don't see how you can argue against the left when you don't even know what the left is. Also, you say antifa are paid... What do you mean by this? What are you on about? I am not the hypocrite here and what has me eating fruit processed by immigrants, drive on public funded roads and have socialist health care have to do with the argument? Yes you are being childish. And why would I bait Liberals? Hypocritical left wing people like you yes, Liberals definitely not. And yes, I will play. |
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Mar 24, 2021 22:44:56 GMT
I see all the la la land lefties are out in force defending this shameful act. I'm not shocked at all.
I was hoping to see the police bring out the water cannons to give those soap dodging thugs and good clean.
We can forget about getting back to normal so long as these morons keep gathering in large groups in a pandemic.
Dont usually wish ill health on anyone but I would have no sympathy for anyone who's stupid enough to attend these re-occurig pointless events.
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Post by oldie on Mar 24, 2021 22:54:28 GMT
I see all the la la land lefties are out in force defending this shameful act. I'm not shocked at all. I was hoping to see the police bring out the water cannons to give those soap dodging thugs and good clean. We can forget about getting back to normal so long as these morons keep gathering in large groups in a pandemic. Dont usually wish ill health on anyone but I would have no sympathy for anyone who's stupid enough to attend these re-occurig pointless events. Thank you for your thoughtful and well constructed contribution to the conversation. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 24, 2021 23:45:20 GMT
To some degree, but not protesting means the 'big boys' just carry on. There are other ways to do it, but sometimes it needs mass movement. We seem to conflate a few issues, firstly protesting. Yes, it still has a place. Boycotting is another but I'm not totally convinced it works. Sometimes it does. Secondly those involved, it's not a right or left thing. I'm sure the 'right' would protest too if the issue was heartfelt and to be honest, using descriptions like that tends to box in and polarise debate. Someone will want an outcome just because they think they disagree with the person rather than realise it affects them too. Thirdly, what happens and why things turn ugly. We don't know, it's probably a mixture of the things I mentioned earlier. I don't condone the march but I do understand why they felt that way. Ask yourself, if you wanted to change something which you felt deeply about, how would you do it? Who are the ‘big boys’ you refer to Stuart? Apple, Samsung,Starbucks, costa, Amazon, BP, shell, TUI, etc.? What I can’t get my head around is the exact same people, not all obviously, who protest against these big organisations have a mobile phone, drink in Costa and buy from Amazon, drive cars/vans and fly to foreign destinations! It makes their political protest pointless and hypocritical. As for Government decisions and laws so be it, we elect which Party is in power through ‘democracy’ and we should be law abiding and accept. As i pointed out in another post, these protest are a magnet for extreme groups to infiltrate and go against the establishment something which, I expect, people who should know better are quietly pleased with. If I wanted to change something I personally felt deeply about i would go through the proper channels but I would not chase a lost cause through a protest as i have better things to do with my time and I especially wouldn’t want to be near some of the people shown at that protest with the deadly Covid virus raising its ugly head. The right to protest is part of that fundamental democratic process, the proper channels as you put it. Demonstrations do influence the politicians, not all but many. It's one way of showing the feelings of the electorate both to the powers that be and ourselves. Were you aware of the Bill before? Did you know of its implications? Otherwise it's a letter to your local MP or a online petition, both of which can be ignored too. |
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Post by blueridge on Mar 25, 2021 6:21:47 GMT
Who are the ‘big boys’ you refer to Stuart? Apple, Samsung,Starbucks, costa, Amazon, BP, shell, TUI, etc.? What I can’t get my head around is the exact same people, not all obviously, who protest against these big organisations have a mobile phone, drink in Costa and buy from Amazon, drive cars/vans and fly to foreign destinations! It makes their political protest pointless and hypocritical. As for Government decisions and laws so be it, we elect which Party is in power through ‘democracy’ and we should be law abiding and accept. As i pointed out in another post, these protest are a magnet for extreme groups to infiltrate and go against the establishment something which, I expect, people who should know better are quietly pleased with. If I wanted to change something I personally felt deeply about i would go through the proper channels but I would not chase a lost cause through a protest as i have better things to do with my time and I especially wouldn’t want to be near some of the people shown at that protest with the deadly Covid virus raising its ugly head. The right to protest is part of that fundamental democratic process, the proper channels as you put it. Demonstrations do influence the politicians, not all but many. It's one way of showing the feelings of the electorate both to the powers that be and ourselves. Were you aware of the Bill before? Did you know of its implications? Otherwise it's a letter to your local MP or a online petition, both of which can be ignored too. I don’t have a problem with that - but please explain where does the right to protest start and finish during a lockdown. This isn’t just about this one particular Bill it’s about their perceived right by a selfish few to protest whenever they like even during a pandemic. Are you suggesting this is the only protest that should be allowed or can anyone break the law of the land when they feel the need to protest - and maybe take their can of paint with them and daub property with ACAB or 1312 or any other tag and commit other criminal acts which I’ve already alluded to, because any protests whether you like it or not attract these people and the inevitable happens. You may well be right - perhaps I should ignore the rules (it won’t really matter will it?) - I would have loved to have put an arm around my boys or hug my grandchildren, or attend a birthday party perhaps, or even be with them at Xmas, but no, I’ve been very silly I’ve stuck with the majority who have all made big sacrifices during the last twelve months. A little message for the laughing hyena from Purdown (the random clicker of Gaschat) - feel free to add to the debate if you have anything constructive to add - there you go, someone’s actually noticed you at last. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 25, 2021 7:39:16 GMT
Don't mind a protest. A well organised, safe, peaceful protest, with plenty of warning given to the Police and general public. However, this wasn't any of that and illegal. If they really wanted to protest, why not wait 12 weeks until Johnson's suggested date of June 21st to come out of all restrictions comes round?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 8:07:50 GMT
I see all the la la land lefties are out in force defending this shameful act. I'm not shocked at all. I was hoping to see the police bring out the water cannons to give those soap dodging thugs and good clean. We can forget about getting back to normal so long as these morons keep gathering in large groups in a pandemic. Dont usually wish ill health on anyone but I would have no sympathy for anyone who's stupid enough to attend these re-occurig pointless events. Tory blaming others for his own misgivings, what a surprise. You are aware that both the riots and massive covid outbreak here are because of the governments actions. Or are you so ignorant you can't see past your racist newspaper. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 25, 2021 8:12:16 GMT
The right to protest is part of that fundamental democratic process, the proper channels as you put it. Demonstrations do influence the politicians, not all but many. It's one way of showing the feelings of the electorate both to the powers that be and ourselves. Were you aware of the Bill before? Did you know of its implications? Otherwise it's a letter to your local MP or a online petition, both of which can be ignored too. I don’t have a problem with that - but please explain where does the right to protest start and finish during a lockdown. This isn’t just about this one particular Bill it’s about their perceived right by a selfish few to protest during a pandemic. Are you suggesting this is the only protest that should be allowed or can anyone break the law of the land when they feel the need to protest - and maybe take their can of paint with them and daub property with ACAB or 1312 or any other tag and commit other criminal acts which I’ve already alluded to, because any protests whether you like it or not attract these people and the inevitable happens. You may well be right - perhaps I should ignore the rules (it won’t really matter will it?) - I would have loved to have put an arm around my boys or hug my grandchildren, or attend a birthday party perhaps, or even be with them at Xmas, but no, I’ve been very silly I’ve stuck with the majority who have all made big sacrifices during the last twelve months. A little message for the laughing hyena from Purdown (the random clicker of Gaschat) - feel free to add to the debate if you have anything constructive to add - there you go, someone’s actually noticed you at last. I was referring to protests in general, which henry thought were unnecessary. On this particular protest, I have mixed views. Like you I see it as a breach of the rules we living by for the good of society (we've been shielding for a year now so believe me, I get frustrated hearing family and friends make 'exceptional' trips to the shop for urgent necessities like an Advent Calendar!). I also see the government pushing through contentious legislation that will affect the right to protest, something that could be law before the current restrictions are lifted. Bit like the opposition team playing on and scoring a goal while your keeper was down injured, totally within the rules of the game but hardly cricket, is it? |
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Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Mar 25, 2021 8:25:21 GMT
I see all the la la land lefties are out in force defending this shameful act. I'm not shocked at all. I was hoping to see the police bring out the water cannons to give those soap dodging thugs and good clean. We can forget about getting back to normal so long as these morons keep gathering in large groups in a pandemic. Dont usually wish ill health on anyone but I would have no sympathy for anyone who's stupid enough to attend these re-occurig pointless events. Tory blaming others for his own misgivings, what a surprise. You are aware that both the riots and massive covid outbreak here are because of the governments actions. Or are you so ignorant you can't see past your racist newspaper. It's nice to know your supporting the spread of corona virus. Idiot Not for one minute do I think the government got it all correct but it's hard for them to beat it whilst all this keeps happening. |
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 25, 2021 8:35:25 GMT
It doesn’t matter that we’ve lost a basic human right, at least government have put up more Union flags to cheer us up!
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 25, 2021 8:42:44 GMT
It doesn’t matter that we’ve lost a basic human right, at least government have put up more Union flags to cheer us up! Don't have an issue myself, but I do find it ironic that wrapping yourself up in the national flag is actually a very un-British thing. |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 8:44:27 GMT
And to a lesser extent the hypocrites on here who shout the loudest about recorded deaths in UK through COVID are the same people condoning and shouting the loudest about the right to hold protests during a pandemic. For example There is no evidence that BLM supported demonstrations last summer dramatically increased covid infection rates and therefore deaths, but there is clear evidence that the shambolic policies and announcements from November through to the week before Christmas did. That's why Good grief. Next you’ll be claiming that the BLM city centre riots of orgy and destruction actually contributed to a reduction in infections, such was the righteousness of their actions. |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 8:49:27 GMT
It doesn’t matter that we’ve lost a basic human right, at least government have put up more Union flags to cheer us up! A basic human right? What utter tosh. A basic human right so important that 3000 people in a city with a c500,000 population bothered to turn out to defend. A goodly proportion of those that did attend were not even from Bristol, so let’s say 3000 people out of a national population of some 65 million bothered to attend. And this demo was advertised as the only demo in Britain, there weren’t co demos in other cities. Just more left wing, mouthy minority ranting I’m afraid. |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 8:52:42 GMT
I see all the la la land lefties are out in force defending this shameful act. I'm not shocked at all. I was hoping to see the police bring out the water cannons to give those soap dodging thugs and good clean. We can forget about getting back to normal so long as these morons keep gathering in large groups in a pandemic. Dont usually wish ill health on anyone but I would have no sympathy for anyone who's stupid enough to attend these re-occurig pointless events. Tory blaming others for his own misgivings, what a surprise. You are aware that both the riots and massive covid outbreak here are because of the governments actions. Or are you so ignorant you can't see past your racist newspaper. Where did WSOTR refer to any newspaper? You really are a prize plum. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 25, 2021 9:15:55 GMT
For example There is no evidence that BLM supported demonstrations last summer dramatically increased covid infection rates and therefore deaths, but there is clear evidence that the shambolic policies and announcements from November through to the week before Christmas did. That's why Good grief. Next you’ll be claiming that the BLM city centre riots of orgy and destruction actually contributed to a reduction in infections, such was the righteousness of their actions. No, he’s stating a statistical fact. But of course you’d disagree with that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 25, 2021 9:20:09 GMT
Good grief. Next you’ll be claiming that the BLM city centre riots of orgy and destruction actually contributed to a reduction in infections, such was the righteousness of their actions. No, he’s stating a statistical fact. But of course you’d disagree with that. My statistics are facts while your facts are merely statistics. |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 9:21:01 GMT
That’s not patronising, that’s utter surprise a health worker would condone such activity, especially as (s)he would have seen first hand the worse effects of Covid first hand. It would be horrifying if (s)he had admitted attending the demo. Protect the NHS. Hands Face. Space. However I do feel for you because being accused of being patronising (when you were) obviously stung and you’ve been itching to score an equaliser. Clearly you dint understand the word patronising. Not the first time you’ve confused yourself. Trying to remember I time you haven’t actually. Herewith the Cambridge definition of the word. Always glad to help clear a befuddled mind. As you can now see I wasn’t patronising Officer Dribble, I was expressing genuine amazement at his/her attitude. You're welcome. |
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