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Post by aghast on Apr 2, 2021 19:21:28 GMT
I wasn't happy with Barton's appointment given his history, but in football manager terms he did well to get Fleetwood within two games of the Championship.
From the little I think I know about the mindset of the average professional footballer, I don't think they would care too much about his playing career misdemeanours. They'd be more impressed with his experience and passion.
So on paper, he was a decent appointment. But for reasons I don't understand, he's managed to be worse than Garner and Tisdale so far, and time is rapidly running out.
I know he's had injuries. Unfortunate, but which manager doesn't have them?
I don't think we can afford to sack him, for financial, reputational and egotistical reasons, and maybe it will all come good next season (in L2?)
But to me it's clear that Barton hasn't managed to turn anything around. He's actually made a bad situation worse, with his results and his public opinions on players and previous managers.
I'm at a loss to see how he can motivate them to actually win three or four of the remaining games.
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Post by Okebournegas on Apr 2, 2021 19:23:06 GMT
I will respectfully have to disagree with with you RoverDrive on this mate. Barton very much 100% in for me , there is nothing any manager could do with this god awful bunch of players. We have to stick by him , like we did with DC in his early days when things went tits up , it paid off massively in the end and gave me my most enjoyable few years as a gashead, I’m so gutted that it’s got to this stage and we’re heading back down to league 2 , sure JB has made mistakes and he’ll make more along the way I’m sure but I can’t point the finger of blame at him for the mess we’re in now , the damage was already done.
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Post by sodburygas on Apr 2, 2021 19:24:56 GMT
Barton gave them Monday and Wednesday off training. Unbelievable but true. After weeks of Sat & Tues games why would that be an issue? Honestly I despair at this place I think it is a issue as Barton has said he has had no time on the training ground. He gets a chance to have a weeks training and decides to give them two days off. Personally I would like him to spend time training the players to improve and implement his style of play rather than doing nothing and excepting relegation.
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Post by oldie on Apr 2, 2021 19:27:55 GMT
I wasn't happy with Barton's appointment given his history, but in football manager terms he did well to get Fleetwood within two games of the Championship. From the little I think I know about the mindset of the average professional footballer, I don't think they would care too much about his playing career misdemeanours. They'd be more impressed with his experience and passion. So on paper, he was a decent appointment. But for reasons I don't understand, he's managed to be worse than Garner and Tisdale so far, and time is rapidly running out. I know he's had injuries. Unfortunate, but which manager doesn't have them? I don't think we can afford to sack him, for financial, reputational and egotistical reasons, and maybe it will all come good next season (in L2?) But to me it's clear that Barton hasn't managed to turn anything around. He's actually made a bad situation worse, with his results and his public opinions on players and previous managers. I'm at a loss to see how he can motivate them to actually win three or four of the remaining games. This. The evidence speaks for itself.
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Post by axegas on Apr 2, 2021 19:29:55 GMT
I didn’t want Barton appointed in the first place given his record, I have made no secret of hiding that. However taking a step back and approaching it like I would any other manager, I think a full summer is needed to give JB some time to build his own squad. Then we can judge him on what he brings to the table, rather than his impact on a squad that has already failed under two successive managers and is quite clearly a poor side for this division.
It’s been a disaster of a season for the football club and I’m just looking forward to putting it to bed regardless of what division we are next year.
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Post by Thegasaregoingup on Apr 2, 2021 19:31:18 GMT
Get behind Joey, or shall we go bankrupt appointing umpteen managers until one gets a break. It’s the players that’s the problem. Does my head in when you’re calling for the managers head. Barton IN.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 19:32:40 GMT
Get behind Joey, or shall we go bankrupt appointing umpteen managers until one gets a break. It’s the players that’s the problem. Does my head in when you’re calling for the managers head. Barton IN. Think you may want to change your user name..
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Post by ricardo on Apr 2, 2021 19:33:19 GMT
Out of interest have any stattos got Barton’s record vs the previous 2 to share?
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Post by trevorgas on Apr 2, 2021 19:36:04 GMT
I wasn't happy with Barton's appointment given his history, but in football manager terms he did well to get Fleetwood within two games of the Championship. From the little I think I know about the mindset of the average professional footballer, I don't think they would care too much about his playing career misdemeanours. They'd be more impressed with his experience and passion. So on paper, he was a decent appointment. But for reasons I don't understand, he's managed to be worse than Garner and Tisdale so far, and time is rapidly running out. I know he's had injuries. Unfortunate, but which manager doesn't have them? I don't think we can afford to sack him, for financial, reputational and egotistical reasons, and maybe it will all come good next season (in L2?) But to me it's clear that Barton hasn't managed to turn anything around. He's actually made a bad situation worse, with his results and his public opinions on players and previous managers. I'm at a loss to see how he can motivate them to actually win three or four of the remaining games. This. The evidence speaks for itself. The die was cast on our relegation long before JB arrived,the whole set up of the squad has been wrong and with little experience at the back and none upfront we were asking for relegation and no surprise that's where we are. I will judge JB when it's his team and he's had a pre season as many have said I defy any Mgr to keep this team in Div 1 .
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Post by oldie on Apr 2, 2021 19:37:01 GMT
I didn’t want Barton appointed in the first place given his record, I have made no secret of hiding that. However taking a step back and approaching it like I would any other manager, I think a full summer is needed to give JB some time to build his own squad. Then we can judge him on what he brings to the table, rather than his impact on a squad that has already failed under two successive managers and is quite clearly a poor side for this division. It’s been a disaster of a season for the football club and I’m just looking forward to putting it to be regardless of what division we are next year. But that would be true of any manager. That would have applied to Tisdale equally. Barton's record is appalling, what evidence is there he will recruit well, work well with Widdrington, or coach to success a squad that will contain many of the current squad as they were only recruited last summer on pro contracts? I dont see it, other than blind faith.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 19:42:24 GMT
I didn’t want Barton appointed in the first place given his record, I have made no secret of hiding that. However taking a step back and approaching it like I would any other manager, I think a full summer is needed to give JB some time to build his own squad. Then we can judge him on what he brings to the table, rather than his impact on a squad that has already failed under two successive managers and is quite clearly a poor side for this division. It’s been a disaster of a season for the football club and I’m just looking forward to putting it to be regardless of what division we are next year. But that would be true of any manager. That would have applied to Tisdale equally. Barton's record is appalling, what evidence is there he will recruit well, work well with Widdrington, or coach to success a squad that will contain many of the current squad as they were only recruited last summer on pro contracts? I dont see it, other than blind faith. Do you put any blame on Wael for these appointments?
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Post by oldie on Apr 2, 2021 19:49:47 GMT
But that would be true of any manager. That would have applied to Tisdale equally. Barton's record is appalling, what evidence is there he will recruit well, work well with Widdrington, or coach to success a squad that will contain many of the current squad as they were only recruited last summer on pro contracts? I dont see it, other than blind faith. Do you put any blame on Wael for these appointments? The managers? Yes of course, he is on the board which signed off their recruitment. We went through this bollox last summer. Give Garner a recruitment window we said. Many of us thought, indeed said on here, that the summer recruitment was very decent on paper. By October Garner was gone. The summer recruitment watered down the drain. Tisdale comes in, does ok for a few weeks, February he is gone. In comes Barton and here we are in April and he has the worse record of the three. And people say stick with the worse manager, because....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 19:52:55 GMT
Do you put any blame on Wael for these appointments? The managers? Yes of course, he is on the board which signed off their recruitment. We went through this bollox last summer. Give Garner a recruitment window we said. Many of us thought, indeed said on here, that the summer recruitment was very decent on paper. By October Garner was gone. The summer recruitment watered down the drain. Tisdale comes in, does ok for a few weeks, February he is gone. In comes Barton and here we are in April and he has the worse record of the three. And people say stick with the worse manager, because.... So would’ve you sacked DC when he took us to the conference?
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Post by axegas on Apr 2, 2021 19:56:08 GMT
I didn’t want Barton appointed in the first place given his record, I have made no secret of hiding that. However taking a step back and approaching it like I would any other manager, I think a full summer is needed to give JB some time to build his own squad. Then we can judge him on what he brings to the table, rather than his impact on a squad that has already failed under two successive managers and is quite clearly a poor side for this division. It’s been a disaster of a season for the football club and I’m just looking forward to putting it to be regardless of what division we are next year. But that would be true of any manager. That would have applied to Tisdale equally. Barton's record is appalling, what evidence is there he will recruit well, work well with Widdrington, or coach to success a squad that will contain many of the current squad as they were only recruited last summer on pro contracts? I dont see it, other than blind faith. But equally we don’t have any evidence that he wouldn’t recruit well, work well with Widdrington or have the ability to coach a Rovers side of his making adequately. That’s why I’d just want the summer to see, I argued the same with Garner, and even Tisdale, I think we were a bit hasty in sacking him. I don’t like Barton, but I still believe in giving managers a fair crack of the whip.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 2, 2021 20:00:20 GMT
Not really sure why you think RD isn't supporting the Gas, then. Surely we all get different stuff that we dislike about it, and different personnel we don't fancy. I didn’t slag off BG I supported him hoping he would come good,now JB has picked up all this mess and I believe he’s got what it takes to turn this club around 🙏 Being a MOD he could be a bit more careful on his personal vendetta against our manager. For the record, we are members and posters first and mods second. Being a mod doesn’t mean you have no opinion on any subject, or can’t express that opinion, it just means we are here to police the dick element to the forum, which thankfully is getting smaller by the week. If RD has an opinion that JB should be sacked then that’s his prerogative and he’s also entitled to air it when he wants in the same way you are allowed to have your opinion and state your differences.
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Post by oldie on Apr 2, 2021 20:00:42 GMT
The managers? Yes of course, he is on the board which signed off their recruitment. We went through this bollox last summer. Give Garner a recruitment window we said. Many of us thought, indeed said on here, that the summer recruitment was very decent on paper. By October Garner was gone. The summer recruitment watered down the drain. Tisdale comes in, does ok for a few weeks, February he is gone. In comes Barton and here we are in April and he has the worse record of the three. And people say stick with the worse manager, because.... So would’ve you sacked DC when he took us to the conference? That's a call made with hindsight. Given that he was already here and worked under Ward who hung around for a bit I guess it made sense. This is not the situation since Coughlan walked out
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 20:03:04 GMT
I didn’t slag off BG I supported him hoping he would come good,now JB has picked up all this mess and I believe he’s got what it takes to turn this club around 🙏 Being a MOD he could be a bit more careful on his personal vendetta against our manager. For the record, we are members and posters first and mods second. Being a mod doesn’t mean you have no opinion on any subject, or can’t express that opinion, it just means we are here to police the dick element to the forum, which thankfully is getting smaller by the week. If RD has an opinion that JB should be sacked then that’s his prerogative and he’s also entitled to air it when he wants in the same way you are allowed to have your opinion and state your differences. For the record anyone’s opinion is fine but RD oversteps the mark concerning JB
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 2, 2021 20:04:44 GMT
Completely agree with the OP. The blokes an arrogant fraud with a history of a being a thug. Barton OUT. "fraud" pretty sure he's played at a decent level and managed an L1 club who made the play offs, so hardly a fraud? Not sure what sacking Barton now would achieve given these Muppets have failed under 4 managers already this season. We may as well wait til the summer and see if Barton stays out of prison.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 20:04:47 GMT
For the record, we are members and posters first and mods second. Being a mod doesn’t mean you have no opinion on any subject, or can’t express that opinion, it just means we are here to police the dick element to the forum, which thankfully is getting smaller by the week. If RD has an opinion that JB should be sacked then that’s his prerogative and he’s also entitled to air it when he wants in the same way you are allowed to have your opinion and state your differences. For the record anyone’s opinion is fine but RD oversteps the mark concerning JB Why, because his view is different to yours, show us an example of a forum rule that RD has broken?
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Post by oldie on Apr 2, 2021 20:07:15 GMT
But that would be true of any manager. That would have applied to Tisdale equally. Barton's record is appalling, what evidence is there he will recruit well, work well with Widdrington, or coach to success a squad that will contain many of the current squad as they were only recruited last summer on pro contracts? I dont see it, other than blind faith. But equally we don’t have any evidence that he wouldn’t recruit well, work well with Widdrington or have the ability to coach a Rovers side of his making adequately. That’s why I’d just want the summer to see, I argued the same with Garner, and even Tisdale, I think we were a bit hasty in sacking him. I don’t like Barton, but I still believe in giving managers a fair crack of the whip. Tend to agree with you. Did we give Tisdale a fair crack of the whip? If so then we already have with Barton. Something is wrong that perhaps runs much deeper. Clarke effectively got himself sacked, Coughlan walked out, Garner was given months, then a major recruitment window, then sacked about ten weeks later, similarly Tisdale and now we have another manager producing even worse results. Really?
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