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Post by theduke on Apr 18, 2021 22:37:21 GMT
People are kidding themselves if they think the Premier League will ban them and things just carry on normally.
For one, the Premier League is nowhere near as valuable without those six sides. All the television networks will want huge reimbursements on what they’ve paid the Premier League if United, Liverpool, etc aren’t in their schedules and new tv contracts will be up to 90% less valuable. Broadcasters in the US and Far East are not going to be shell out much to show a Everton V Crystal Palace.
This ploy has huge trickle down implications for the other clubs and the players they can attract, plus the contracts they can afford. The remaining Premier League would essentially become the Championship in an instant. The absence of the top six domestically would completely devastate the English game.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 18, 2021 22:39:15 GMT
It won’t happen . They’ll end up demanding a bigger slice of the pie and they’ll probably get it. Mission achieved.
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Post by Jomo on Apr 18, 2021 22:47:27 GMT
It won’t happen . They’ll end up demanding a bigger slice of the pie and they’ll probably get it. Mission achieved. What the f**k have they done to deserve it. Disgusting shameful and sickening greed. They already have it all, why the hell do they constantly demand more? They can stick their ESL and their slice of pie up their arses and stick themselves up there while they're at it, and never come back.
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Post by singupgas on Apr 18, 2021 22:48:48 GMT
If 6 teams do leave the Premier League.
What would that do for us, would the top 6 teams in each league below be promoted and no relegation?
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 18, 2021 22:50:21 GMT
It won’t happen unless the breakaway get UEFAs permission. After these opening shots UEFA and FIFA and the breakaway clubs will come to some agreement or it won’t happen. If it was a breakaway league it would not get FIFAs backing so players of these clubs wouldn’t be able to play for their countries in World Cups or European Championships. The biggest and best players want to play in and win World Cups. That’s what makes them the biggest and the best? Might be happy for two or even three years but when there’s no progression to the national side then it would wither and die. If the breakaway clubs couldn’t play in other competitions (national cups, PL) then the interest, apart from the clubs involved, would die. This will only happen when the clubs and EUFA agree on some cobble-together format. Fans of the clubs will be important and once they start to give their opinions I would expect the clubs to change their views. Part of the trouble is Man U, Man C, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea are owned by foreigners and don’t give a toss about anything except the money involved. Only Daniel Levy at Spurs in British and he'll be afraid of missing out if he doesn’t join up. As a Rovers fan I don’t really care if it happens. I can see circumstances where if it did happen football for the rest could get better. Leagues 1 and 2 are so far away from the current PL as to make it unreal. The PL would continue, albeit in a different form and football would have to look at so many things that need changing that it might be good. I just don’t think it will happen without permission, which they’ll get after some Brexit-style negotiations.
UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 18, 2021 22:53:02 GMT
Honestly, I'd love to just say let them go and we can live without the idiots. But unfortunately, you know SkySports are probably licking their lips in excitement over this and the media will follow Probably, as BT have the Champions League atm! UTG!
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 18, 2021 22:55:15 GMT
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 18, 2021 22:55:38 GMT
It won’t happen . They’ll end up demanding a bigger slice of the pie and they’ll probably get it. Mission achieved. Exactly, an agreement will be reached. UTG!
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Post by yattongas on Apr 18, 2021 23:00:59 GMT
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 18, 2021 23:01:58 GMT
People are kidding themselves if they think the Premier League will ban them and things just carry on normally. For one, the Premier League is nowhere near as valuable without those six sides. All the television networks will want huge reimbursements on what they’ve paid the Premier League if United, Liverpool, etc aren’t in their schedules and new tv contracts will be up to 90% less valuable. Broadcasters in the US and Far East are not going to be shell out much to show a Everton V Crystal Palace. This ploy has huge trickle down implications for the other clubs and the players they can attract, plus the contracts they can afford. The remaining Premier League would essentially become the Championship in an instant. The absence of the top six domestically would completely devastate the English game. That’s how it is NOW. But that will change if those clubs and anyone involved with them find that they exist only in a wilderness with no way back. There is so much opposition and outrage to this idea, even at government level here and elsewhere that the clubs could literally be starved out of existence. The whole thing relies on getting a huge broadcast deal and then selling subscriptions to fans. The supporters organisations at all 6 English clubs involved are furiously opposed to this, that might influence the level of take up to any broadcaster selling subscriptions. The ultimate sanction though is that national governments could ban the broadcasting of the games so anyone watching would be doing so illegally. That would cut numbers right back too. I feel quite optimistic that this will backfire spectacularly on the clubs involved. It could and should invoke the change that the game needs anyway to bring the power back from a few ridiculously wealthy owners who have no respect for the good of the game or even the long standing fans of the clubs they own.
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 18, 2021 23:47:00 GMT
From my understanding it is just a 'Super League' to replace the Champions League isn't it? They won't be leaving The Premier League. Yeah it's still greedy shithousery, but not as bad as I first thought.
The Champions League in itself has been all about greed, when 4 teams from countries can qualify when they're miles away from becoming Champions. That's nothing but greed.
Football has been all about greed for the last 29 years.
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Post by singupgas on Apr 18, 2021 23:53:03 GMT
From my understanding it is just a 'Super League' to replace the Champions League isn't it? They won't be leaving The Premier League. Yeah it's still greedy shithousery, but not as bad as I first thought. The Champions League in itself has been all about greed, when 4 teams from countries can qualify when they're miles away from becoming Champions. That's nothing but greed. Football has been all about greed for the last 29 years. The clubs will possibly be banned from domestic league. How can the other 14 Premier league clubs compete when these clubs when they are rumored to be given 400m just for joining the Super league.
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Post by gasheadontour on Apr 18, 2021 23:59:57 GMT
Could Rovers avoid relegation if 6 clubs are kicked out of the Premier League?
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 19, 2021 0:37:08 GMT
From my understanding it is just a 'Super League' to replace the Champions League isn't it? They won't be leaving The Premier League. Yeah it's still greedy shithousery, but not as bad as I first thought. The Champions League in itself has been all about greed, when 4 teams from countries can qualify when they're miles away from becoming Champions. That's nothing but greed. Football has been all about greed for the last 29 years. The clubs will possibly be banned from domestic league. How can the other 14 Premier league clubs compete when these clubs when they are rumored to be given 400m just for joining the Super league. I dont disagree. However, UEFA have been mucking around with the format for years. Teams that get knocked out of Champions League groups get put in the Europa League. That's a farce in itself. The reason why the 'Big 6' have done this is because UEFA want to change the format again by adding more teams. I'd love to go back to the European Cup(Just Champions), UEFA Cup(for 2nd, 3rd, 4th place) and Cup Winners Cup(FA Cup and League Cup winners). They're also messing about with international tournaments adding more teams and having World Cups being played in the middle of a Desert in Qatar FFS! Football has become all about money and greed. Even the Play Offs are just about money. A team who finishes 6th and wins at Wembley makes more money from that game than the club who played 46 games to finish as Champions. All about money. So while I wholeheartedly agree that this 'Big 6' nonsense is pure greed shithousery. Football has been doing this for the last 29 years.
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Post by axegas on Apr 19, 2021 1:19:01 GMT
Is it wrong that I’m sort of enjoying seeing UEFA, Premier League and FIFA absolutely sh**ting it? They’ve been beaten at their own greedy, self-absorbed game, they’ll come cap in hand to the breakaway sides because they can’t afford not. The Premier League aren’t going to kick out the clubs that attract all the TV money and the big 6 know it.
Perez, chairman of Real Madrid quoted as saying that if players are banned from entering the World Cup, they’ll create a new World Cup. Hate what the pinnacle of football has become.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Apr 19, 2021 1:55:36 GMT
I like the idea of deducting them points just for signing up to it whether or not it gets off the ground. If they all got deducted 50 points each then Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool would be relegated and it would be a fight between Leicester and West Ham for the title. Might force them to quit the domestic leagues if the only big sixers route to European competition this season was by winning one of the cups.
Once the ESL exists it sounds like none of the sports broadcasters will touch it for fear of being branded hypocrites...so that might help kill it.
The government can easily make life impossible for them too....by demanding a police presence is mandatory at all professional football events but that only domestically organised football matches will be supplied by the police...hence ESL games can be scheduled in England but cannot be played here due to the unavailability of the police to maintain order!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 19, 2021 4:45:30 GMT
Wasn’t this proved recently when it shown that a certain number of clubs would make a profit without any fans at games. Tv money, naming rights and merchandising make them all they need When you realise how much the owners of say, Man City, are worth, the money brought in from season ticket sales is like finding 10p in your car to them. When they bought Man City for £350 mil, they were asked why it wasn't announced. The reply was because it wasn't a big enough purchase to make a fuss about. Seriously. If you found 10p in your jallopy your car would then be worth 5p
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Post by Westy on Apr 19, 2021 5:50:48 GMT
I like the idea of deducting them points just for signing up to it whether or not it gets off the ground. If they all got deducted 50 points each then Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool would be relegated and it would be a fight between Leicester and West Ham for the title. Might force them to quit the domestic leagues if the only big sixers route to European competition this season was by winning one of the cups. Once the ESL exists it sounds like none of the sports broadcasters will touch it for fear of being branded hypocrites...so that might help kill it. The government can easily make life impossible for them too....by demanding a police presence is mandatory at all professional football events but that only domestically organised football matches will be supplied by the police...hence ESL games can be scheduled in England but cannot be played here due to the unavailability of the police to maintain order! Interesting point on the broadcasters. That's made imagine it's highly likely the ESL will setup their own Netflix style subscription service so all the money goes straight to them, with complete control over what gets aired, who watches what, and where the money goes. Hadn't thought about that until you mentioned the broadcasters but mark my words, I bet this is where it's going. Exclusive subscription based "soccer" entertainment... 😡
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 5:51:48 GMT
Capitalism strikes again
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Apr 19, 2021 5:57:40 GMT
I don't support the proposals, but ultimately will it make that much difference? The last 8 of the Champions League usually consists of the same old clubs anyway. I imagine once FIFA, UEFA and the Premier League realise they will lose all their best players and with it money, they'll drop their threats and play ball. Clubs from lesser footballing Nations and Eastern Europe may have a chance to compete with others more on their financial level?
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