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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 21, 2021 17:38:33 GMT
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Post by axegas on Apr 21, 2021 17:45:27 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.”
I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS.
It’s just factually incorrect.
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Post by mftc on Apr 21, 2021 17:53:18 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. Not sure, does he mean schoolboy/ youth/ academy being "lower" because it is not men's football? Andre Jnr played his first "men's game" in the 15 mins v Walsall. If he had played 6 months in the conference south he may have not looked as nervous perhaps?
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Post by axegas on Apr 21, 2021 18:02:01 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. Not sure, does he mean schoolboy/ youth/ academy being "lower" because it is not men's football? Andre Jnr played his first "men's game" in the 15 mins v Walsall. If he had played 6 months in the conference south he may have not looked as nervous perhaps? That could be one possible explanation, but the likes of Hanlan, Westbrooke and Grant had 100 senior games under their belt at more or less this level before coming here. With the exception of Liddle and Koiki who also have barely featured, we don’t have too many players on the books that don’t have lots of games at this level under their belt.
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Post by oldie on Apr 21, 2021 18:09:28 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. Exactly Just another load of BS as he tries to cover his own shocking lack of ability as a manager.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 21, 2021 18:13:13 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. Exactly Just another load of BS as he tries to cover his own shocking lack of ability as a manager. Would you say Paul Cook with a current win % of 16.7 with much better players has shocking lack of managerial ability too? I have to say I was impressed with Bartons Fleetwood side when they played us. If he can replicate that here we will be right up there.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Apr 21, 2021 18:46:05 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. He means lower divisions and under 23 leagues as he refers to it again later in the interview in this context.
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 21, 2021 19:14:45 GMT
Exactly Just another load of BS as he tries to cover his own shocking lack of ability as a manager. Would you say Paul Cook with a current win % of 16.7 with much better players has shocking lack of managerial ability too? I have to say I was impressed with Bartons Fleetwood side when they played us. If he can replicate that here we will be right up there. I would say having a worse record than both Garner and Tisdale, while dropping 5 places in the table to rock bottom is pretty damning though, isn't it?
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Post by BS6 Gas on Apr 21, 2021 19:22:03 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. Exactly Just another load of BS as he tries to cover his own shocking lack of ability as a manager. Well next season JB will either live by or die by/fall on his sword. Time will tell but let’s give him 2 transfer windows.
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Post by Jomo on Apr 21, 2021 19:30:54 GMT
I'd love to be a fly on the wall the next time Barton and Widdrington are in the same room. He has absolutely destroyed Widdrington in that interview, just without literally saying his name. There can be no doubt whatsoever, that Wael has a big decision to make, because it is 100% untenable that Barton and Widdrington can remain at the club together from now on.
In fact, Barton's rants about the makeup of the team could literally not be more at odds with the club's so-called strategy for sustainable development. How on earth will Wael play this? Will we actually completely throw our sustainable model out of the window?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 21, 2021 19:34:16 GMT
I'd love to be a fly on the wall the next time Barton and Widdrington are in the same room. He has absolutely destroyed Widdrington in that interview, just without literally saying his name. There can be no doubt whatsoever, that Wael has a big decision to make, because it is 100% untenable that Barton and Widdrington can remain at the club together from now on. In fact, Barton's rants about the makeup of the team could literally not be more at odds with the club's so-called strategy for sustainable development. How on earth will Wael play this? Will we actually completely throw our sustainable model out of the window? Getting relegated isnt sustainable either! JB says he sees keeping only single numbers next season. Who do we think the 9 are that he rates? Apologies. Being discussed here. gaschat.co.uk/thread/17911/project-restart?page=1#post-740251
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Post by oldie on Apr 21, 2021 19:39:34 GMT
Would you say Paul Cook with a current win % of 16.7 with much better players has shocking lack of managerial ability too? I have to say I was impressed with Bartons Fleetwood side when they played us. If he can replicate that here we will be right up there. I would say having a worse record than both Garner and Tisdale, while dropping 5 places in the table to rock bottom is pretty damning though, isn't it? Precisely put Gastafari
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Post by oldie on Apr 21, 2021 19:42:12 GMT
Exactly Just another load of BS as he tries to cover his own shocking lack of ability as a manager. Well next season JB will either live by or die by/fall on his sword. Time will tell but let’s give him 2 transfer windows. If it was your risk capital, would you? Based on the evidence so far?
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 21, 2021 19:43:59 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. Yeah I find it a strange comment. Of the players signed under Garner and Tisdale. Cian Harries(Played games at League 1 level for Coventry, also played a couple of games in The Championship for Swansea, although inexperienced) Sam Nicholson(Played over 200 games in SPL, Scottish Championship and MLS) Jack Baldwin(Over 200 games at League 1 level) Max Ehmer(Over 300 games at League 1 level) Erhum Oztumer(Over 160 games at League 1 level) Zain Westbrooke(Played over 30 games for the runaway Champions last season) Brandon Hanlon(Played over 100 games at League 1 level) George Williams(Played over 200 games at League 1 level) Joe Day(Over 300 games, mostly at League 2 level, but still experienced) Added to Jaakola, Leahy, Rodman etc who were already here, there's plenty of experience. Grant and McCormick also played games at League 1 and League 2 level. It's only Ayunga, Daly, Tutonda and Koiki who had no league experience at all
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Post by gaschat on Apr 21, 2021 19:45:25 GMT
I'd love to be a fly on the wall the next time Barton and Widdrington are in the same room. He has absolutely destroyed Widdrington in that interview, just without literally saying his name. There can be no doubt whatsoever, that Wael has a big decision to make, because it is 100% untenable that Barton and Widdrington can remain at the club together from now on. In fact, Barton's rants about the makeup of the team could literally not be more at odds with the club's so-called strategy for sustainable development. How on earth will Wael play this? Will we actually completely throw our sustainable model out of the window? Getting relegated isnt sustainable either! JB says he sees keeping only single numbers next season. Who do we think the 9 are that he rates? Apologies. Being discussed here. gaschat.co.uk/thread/17911/project-restart?page=1#post-740251It really doesn’t matter who he rates or not because he is clueless...11 (eleven) points from 15 (fifteen) matches ( mis-matches), should be enough to convince even the most ardent support of JB that he has to go. I have been consistent in my analysis of him as a man and manager since I read with disbelief that he was linked with our managerial vacancy...how I wish I had been wrong but sadly I over estimated his ability. ffs have some pride, man up, accept you are a failure and go!
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Post by oldie on Apr 21, 2021 19:48:01 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. Yeah I find it a strange comment. Of the players signed under Garner and Tisdale. Cian Harries(Played games at League 1 level for Coventry, also played a couple of games in The Championship for Swansea, although inexperienced) Sam Nicholson(Played over 200 games in SPL, Scottish Championship and MLS) Jack Baldwin(Over 200 games at League 1 level) Max Ehmer(Over 300 games at League 1 level) Erhum Oztumer(Over 160 games at League 1 level) Zain Westbrooke(Played over 30 games for the runaway Champions last season) Brandon Hanlon(Played over 100 games at League 1 level) George Williams(Played over 200 games at League 1 level) Joe Day(Over 300 games, mostly at League 2 level, but still experienced) Added to Jaakola, Leahy, Rodman etc who were already here, there's plenty of experience. Grant and McCormick also played games at League 1 and League 2 level. It's only Ayunga, Daly, Tutonda and Koiki who had no league experience at all He wont let facts get in the way of his excuses.
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Post by oldie on Apr 21, 2021 19:53:40 GMT
I hope Swissgas doesnt mind me copying his post from the other place on to here...
"It is hard not to come to the conclusion that Barton is all bluster with no substance.
One example is his apparent enlistment of "leadership expert" Lt Colonel Chris Gibson whom he said was going to help restructure Rovers. On a quick google search I couldn't find anything connecting Chris Gibson to Fleetwood Town let alone transforming them but what I did find was that he is actually a motivational speaker who can be hired by the hour. So what we have here is Barton convincing many impressionable Gasheads that he is bringing in his own version of McKinsey & Company to restructure the entire Rovers organisation when in fact it is someone any company could engage to come in and spark up a staff meeting. Why do we keep falling for it ?"
Precisely put Swiss. Loads on here are having their tummies tickled.
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Post by GasAttacK on Apr 21, 2021 20:03:09 GMT
He's not far off to be fair:
Joe Day - Most of his career in L2. JVS - Never played in England. Josh Grant - Only played in L2. Josh Hare - Sign from non league. David Tutonda - Sign from non league Cian Harries - Practically no first team experience prior to signing. Ali Koiki - Only played L2. Ben Liddle - No first team experience. Zain Westbooke - Nearly 24 when we signed him and only 25 league starts. Sam Nicholson - Never played in England. Cam Hargreaves - Sign from non league. Josh Barrett - No first team experience. James Daly - No first team experince. Jonha Ayunga - Signed from non league.
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Post by alanrg on Apr 21, 2021 20:07:23 GMT
If one of them goes it is a no brainier Widdrington has to go
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Post by gaschat on Apr 21, 2021 20:12:52 GMT
If one of them goes it is a no brainier Widdrington has to go Get rid of both...clean sheet and start again.
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