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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 7, 2021 14:19:38 GMT
Can you send me the link to the video footage please? Thought it wouldn’t be long before people started to say that. From the sounds of it a cowardly unprovoked attack from behind that gave Stendel some fairly nasty injuries. If Joey’s going to produce some cast iron evidence that the witness is making it up, the footage is wrong and Stendel tripped then fair enough. Can you send me the link to the video footage please? Seems that this is how the victim and one witness have described it - can’t imagine they would downplay what happened. I just don't get how Miles can say he has see worse than something he hasn't seen?
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Post by TAGas on Jun 7, 2021 14:21:58 GMT
No idea how this can't be sorted by the end of tomorrow. Surely the jury just have to decide if JB pushed him or not pushed him and if there is enough evidence (which to me at this moment in time there isn't) then charge him.
It's obvious JB as done it, but some how got to prove it.
Probably would have been better for JB to admit he did it at the start and just said it was an accident after running down the tunnel and accidently knocked Mr Stendel over and offer to pay his dental bill and a pint.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 7, 2021 14:26:07 GMT
So if I'm reading this right, Joey knocked him over running by him and he decided to press charges because he fell over?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 7, 2021 14:27:05 GMT
No idea how this can't be sorted by the end of tomorrow. Surely the jury just have to decide if JB pushed him or not pushed him and if there is enough evidence (which to me at this moment in time there isn't) then charge him. It's obvious JB as done it, but some how got to prove it. Probably would have been better for JB to admit he did it at the start and just said it was an accident after running down the tunnel and accidently knocked Mr Stendel over and offer to pay his dental bill and a pint. Courts and press are out to get him. Even if it was an accident I'm sure he was on strict orders not to comment about this situation.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 7, 2021 14:29:49 GMT
I'm surprised that one of our forum legal geniuses isnot representing JB
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 14:31:00 GMT
No idea how this can't be sorted by the end of tomorrow. Surely the jury just have to decide if JB pushed him or not pushed him and if there is enough evidence (which to me at this moment in time there isn't) then charge him. It's obvious JB as done it, but some how got to prove it. Probably would have been better for JB to admit he did it at the start and just said it was an accident after running down the tunnel and accidently knocked Mr Stendel over and offer to pay his dental bill and a pint. Courts and press are out to get him. Even if it was an accident I'm sure he was on strict orders not to comment about this situation. The only real enemy to Joey Barton is Joey Barton himself. I don't think he has ever held his hands up even after attacking people from behind before so let's see how this case pans out.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 7, 2021 14:32:52 GMT
No idea how this can't be sorted by the end of tomorrow. Surely the jury just have to decide if JB pushed him or not pushed him and if there is enough evidence (which to me at this moment in time there isn't) then charge him. It's obvious JB as done it, but some how got to prove it. Probably would have been better for JB to admit he did it at the start and just said it was an accident after running down the tunnel and accidently knocked Mr Stendel over and offer to pay his dental bill and a pint. Courts and press are out to get him. Even if it was an accident I'm sure he was on strict orders not to comment about this situation. Out to get him because he's committed offence after offence. I hope they would punish someone that keeps on offending (assuming he is guilty).
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Post by Gassy on Jun 7, 2021 14:33:25 GMT
Thought it wouldn’t be long before people started to say that. From the sounds of it a cowardly unprovoked attack from behind that gave Stendel some fairly nasty injuries. If Joey’s going to produce some cast iron evidence that the witness is making it up, the footage is wrong and Stendel tripped then fair enough. Seems that this is how the victim and one witness have described it - can’t imagine they would downplay what happened. I just don't get how Miles can say he has see worse than something he hasn't seen? If you actually read the post, miles isn’t saying he’s seen the push. He’s saying that he’s seen worse than a push.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 7, 2021 14:35:14 GMT
So if I'm reading this right, Joey knocked him over running by him and he decided to press charges because he fell over? According to that statement, he didn’t fall over though, he was pushed deliberately. Will be interesting to see what the defence has to say tomorrow
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jun 7, 2021 14:35:51 GMT
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 7, 2021 14:36:47 GMT
I just don't get how Miles can say he has see worse than something he hasn't seen? If you actually read the post, miles isn’t saying he’s seen the push. He’s saying that he’s seen worse than a push. I read the post. Hes saying he's seen worse than a push, well I'd love to know what footage he's seen as I haven't seen any, maybe he would be kind enough to send the link so we can see for ourselves. Even if it just a push, it must have been quite bad for the damage caused, anyway it's all just hearsay and assumptions. Clearly rattled your cage recently though Gassy. 😉
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jun 7, 2021 14:37:16 GMT
Ok
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Post by amgas on Jun 7, 2021 14:40:28 GMT
Reading the prosecution's opening statement I am not sure he is even sure if Barton is guilty. Assuming he did knock him over it must be almost impossible to prove whether it was accidental or a deliberate assault based on the ( lack of ) evidence they seem to have. It strikes me this is going to come down to one persons word against another. If he was not a football manager would this ever have got to a Crown Court ?
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jun 7, 2021 14:41:01 GMT
How does it all work? Does the defence do an opening statement now? Or does all the prosecution stuff get done in one go?
15:11 SAM FROST
Mr Stendel will give evidence in the morning
That brings Mr Goldsack’s prosecution opening to an end. The court has heard Mr Stendel will give evidence from Germany via videolink tomorrow as the first witness in the case.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 7, 2021 14:41:31 GMT
Courts and press are out to get him. Even if it was an accident I'm sure he was on strict orders not to comment about this situation. Out to get him because he's committed offence after offence. I hope they would punish someone that keeps on offending (assuming he is guilty). Not saying either way if he's guilty or not. Just that given his record he has lost the benefit of the doubt and he can't just say "ah I did it, but I didn't mean to do it" because he has lost all good will given his record.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 7, 2021 14:41:36 GMT
If you actually read the post, miles isn’t saying he’s seen the push. He’s saying that he’s seen worse than a push. I read the post. Hes saying he's seen worse than a push, well I'd love to know what footage he's seen as I haven't seen any, maybe he would be kind enough to send the link so we can see for ourselves. Even if it just a push, it must have been quite bad for the damage caused, anyway it's all just hearsay and assumptions. Clearly rattled your cage recently though Gassy. 😉 You’ve read it, but you’ve misunderstood it. He said he’s seen worse than a push, not Barton’s push. It’s really not hard. Nothing rattled here old sport, how about you stop trying to wind people up, eh? Can you do that?
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Post by axegas on Jun 7, 2021 14:43:34 GMT
I read the post. Hes saying he's seen worse than a push, well I'd love to know what footage he's seen as I haven't seen any, maybe he would be kind enough to send the link so we can see for ourselves. Even if it just a push, it must have been quite bad for the damage caused, anyway it's all just hearsay and assumptions. Clearly rattled your cage recently though Gassy. 😉 You’ve read it, but you’ve misunderstood it. He said he’s seen worse than a push, not Barton’s push. It’s really not hard. Nothing rattled here old sport, how about you stop trying to wind people up, eh? Can you do that? In fairness he said he’s seen plenty worse, not he’s seen worse than a push. Arguing over semantics here but I can see where GGMI is coming from as it wasn’t made clear.
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Post by playtowin on Jun 7, 2021 14:43:46 GMT
It doesnt sound like any words were exchanged. The phrase "pushed against him " is not the same as pushed him over. The fact JAB carried on without acknowledging what had happened could be argued he was in a hurry to get to the changing room to use the toilet. Bumping against stendel as he ran down the tunnel.
Joey seems more like the square upto and punch type rather than push from behind and run off.
Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 14:44:08 GMT
Thought it wouldn’t be long before people started to say that. From the sounds of it a cowardly unprovoked attack from behind that gave Stendel some fairly nasty injuries. If Joey’s going to produce some cast iron evidence that the witness is making it up, the footage is wrong and Stendel tripped then fair enough. Seems that this is how the victim and one witness have described it - can’t imagine they would downplay what happened. I just don't get how Miles can say he has see worse than something he hasn't seen? Who is Miles? I obviously need to pay more attention.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 7, 2021 14:44:33 GMT
I just don't get how Miles can say he has see worse than something he hasn't seen? Who is Miles? I obviously need to pay more attention. milesy83
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