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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 10, 2021 10:40:52 GMT
At least Higgs fought for the club to get a new stadium. I’ve seen a distinct lack of fight from Wael on that front so far. WUM Nope. |
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 10, 2021 10:45:22 GMT
Just for my own sanity what is the actual latest update we have... At one point just before the lockdown happened MS said we are going to have some good news in a couple of weeks. Then because of the pandemic that was all put 'on hold' somewhat understandably A bit of digging around the Bristol Live Q&A and I found: Fruit Market update?
Latest rumours are all the space has been bought and the current traders are relocating.
Sam's reply:We're told the deal is not yet signed off, it remains in the hands of lawyers. As you can appreciate, that is a rather complex process, but optimisim remains that it will be completed soon. and then there was this: Hi Sam, I read a article where you said that a stadium at the fruit Market would involve a lease. Is this the land or the whole stadium and what would make it better than the UWE deal that they walked away from as wanted to own it outright?
Sam's reply:It's worth noting that the development of the fruit market is going to be multi-faceted and Rovers will only be connected to the stadium part of the project.
The club are not involved in the buying of the site, that is being led by a third-party developer. Instead, Rovers will be brought on board once the sale is completed.
The arrangement, should everything go to plan, in terms of stadium ownership or leasing, is yet to be confirmed.I don't know if it is same for everyone (probably not) but I am quite optimistic that the owner and club are doing stuff to get us a new stadium and that we were pretty close on the site just before the pandemic hit. Nothing really has changed for me since that interview last year other than having to wait a bit longer for the economic impact of the pandemic etc Is that where were currently are, or have I missed important messages etc? The post have been making similar claims for the best part of two years now, it’s all nonsense and waffle I’m afraid. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 10, 2021 10:48:46 GMT
I'm afraid I stopped taking this seriously at the 'we were all but a league 1 club when he arrived' comment. Unless you've forgotten he arrived on 19th Feb, the day after we beat Morecambe which took us into the play off places. We weren't even in the top 3 let alone walking away with the league so please dont re-write history to suit your anti Wael agenda He had no transfer windows to back DC to shape the team in any meaningful way. Yet people that are very pro Wael and the club use the same argument to claim Barton had nothing to do with the relegation in any way. Hypocrisy at its finest. The team was already there, DC was already there. So no, I don’t consider that his success in anyway, more Higgs’s who laid the groundwork for it if we are going to give someone other than DC credit. Important not to dismiss the 'feel good' factor both for players and fans, the after training meals, the promise of contract for all which DC said they would get if promoted, the Las Vegas trip, the underwriting of the 'Wonga' loan which was a millstone around our necks. Probably other small things too. We only got an automatic promotion spot with the last kick of the ball and on goal difference, promotion was only secured several minutes after the full time whistle when Accrington failed to score. Very fine margins. |
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 10, 2021 10:48:50 GMT
So I realise as a bit of a newbie on this forum that I might be opening myself to accusations ‘of not being one of us’ etc ect, but please hear me out as I just want to depart my tuppence on the ownership situation. When Wael arrived we were all but a league one club. Not having any argument that he took us up in 2016 because he didn’t. That was DC and Higgs’s success and he made a point of very publicly glorying in it. Fair enough I suppose. We now find ourselves a league two club so he’s taken us back a division as far as league position entails. Devolution not evolution then. Stadium? No progress. However more alarming for me is the way it appears Wael is easily led. Feels like he bought too much into the Garner project, we got punished. Influenced too much by Widdrington and Starnes to appoint Tisdale, didn’t go well. Now we’ve allowed the next manager to have control to appoint members to the board, fire entire departments, bring a whole host of figures including Jennings who I’ve heard is next. Who let’s a new manager wield that kind of power? Like Joey and want him to do well, but if the high bar he’s set himself this season isn’t reached which lets be fair is a possibility considering our struggles in L2 in the past, it’ll all end up with tears. You may think its benevolent that Wael appears to be handling the debt situation but asked yourselves why did we rack up that amount of debt just to achieve 0 footballing success, no progress off the field and ultimately relegation in the first place? Even the beloved training ground is having issues, with planning having to be amended halfway through construction after the architects found that the building would not be fit for purpose for a football club. The result? A smallish building designed in the 1990s with a comically lack of windows, a small dingy shed for the gym, a couple of nice pitches and nothing much else. Will they be in for the start of next season? I encourage people to look at the training facilities of Oxford or Fleetwood, or MK Dons, to see how much of a downgrade this is to equivalent football clubs. Rovers fans lap it up due to the lack of progress thats ever been made off the field which is fair enough, but this development has not yet levelled the playing field to other modern football clubs around us, not by a long stretch. Then lets analyse his management of managers shall we? 3 managers have left with clouds over their heads amid rumours of friction with the board in GC, DC and PT. Does that smack of good management to you? The other manager BG got sacked after an atrocious record and the current manager JB, although I’m willing to give him time, has a pretty abysmal record too. Then there’s been fallings out with Ken Masters, fallings out with Steve Hamer, poor treatment of Mansell, embarrassing spat with the supporters club. Not exactly great headlines to accrue. I’m concerned about our future, genuinely concerned. It’s hard to say that but as the football club is close to my heart I’ve just got to speak out and say it. I’m concerned that Wael is rapidly running out funds and has bitten off more than he can chew, I’m concerned about the power we’ve randomly let one manager wield over the club, I’m concerned that an aging fan base and a run down stadium means trouble down the line too. So let me ask you this, say an alternative group of investors came forward, they had funds, reputable contacts in the game, genuine plans for improving the football club. Would this be a ripe opportunity for Wael to step aside? The man has the club at heart as he professes and I’ve not got many bad things to say about the man as a person, so I sincerely hope he considerers his future at the club long term and if the offer is right, steps a side and becomes one of us, a fan. Have a day off mate 👍🏽 |
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 10, 2021 10:51:55 GMT
Wael very possibly saved the club from extinction but has achieved very little from the money he has put into the club. There did seem to be a strategy with the Garner era of develop young players but it certainly did not work, primarily because there was no balance in the squad (age and positionally) and possibly the youngsters signed had been released for a reason. A seemingly good idea that proved a disaster. I'm not sure I know the strategy now but it looks a lot more short term with signings so far directed at competing in the bottom tier of league football. They can probably do a job in league 2 but not much prospect of adding value in the transfer market. I guess the Barton aim is a promotion and an improved CV and few will grumble if indeed a promotion is won next season. As for a long term strategy for taking the club forward unfortunately there is little to see. Agree with this. Everything Wael has tried to date hasn’t worked and he’s flushed a whole load of his money down the toilet to achieve nothing. A lot of his calls in that time have left me worried about his judgement and where the club is going to. Perfectly legitimate concerns that some are determine to shout down and claim are made up at every term. Perhaps they are worried that their unmitigated faith in Wael is misplaced? Strategy now is basically Wael has been starstruck into giving a name he’s heard before full control over most aspects of the club which is really going to damage us down the line. As I said like JB, and want him to win us promotion but can see it all ending in tears sooner rather than later. |
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Post by LJG on Jun 10, 2021 11:15:19 GMT
Wael very possibly saved the club from extinction but has achieved very little from the money he has put into the club. There did seem to be a strategy with the Garner era of develop young players but it certainly did not work, primarily because there was no balance in the squad (age and positionally) and possibly the youngsters signed had been released for a reason. A seemingly good idea that proved a disaster. I'm not sure I know the strategy now but it looks a lot more short term with signings so far directed at competing in the bottom tier of league football. They can probably do a job in league 2 but not much prospect of adding value in the transfer market. I guess the Barton aim is a promotion and an improved CV and few will grumble if indeed a promotion is won next season. As for a long term strategy for taking the club forward unfortunately there is little to see. Agree with this. Everything Wael has tried to date hasn’t worked and he’s flushed a whole load of his money down the toilet to achieve nothing. A lot of his calls in that time have left me worried about his judgement and where the club is going to. Perfectly legitimate concerns that some are determine to shout down and claim are made up at every term. Perhaps they are worried that their unmitigated faith in Wael is misplaced? Strategy now is basically Wael has been starstruck into giving a name he’s heard before full control over most aspects of the club which is really going to damage us down the line. As I said like JB, and want him to win us promotion but can see it all ending in tears sooner rather than later. I agree with you that I have some strong skepticism about transforming the club into Barton Rovers. Nothing to do with it being Joey Barton I would be saying the same whoever it was. What is the average life span for a league manager? I can't be bothered to check but three yearsish? It's inevitable that Joey will leave whether that's because we ask him to or he decides himself. When that happens we will have another complete reset. |
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Post by womble on Jun 10, 2021 11:17:02 GMT
Wael very possibly saved the club from extinction but has achieved very little from the money he has put into the club. There did seem to be a strategy with the Garner era of develop young players but it certainly did not work, primarily because there was no balance in the squad (age and positionally) and possibly the youngsters signed had been released for a reason. A seemingly good idea that proved a disaster. I'm not sure I know the strategy now but it looks a lot more short term with signings so far directed at competing in the bottom tier of league football. They can probably do a job in league 2 but not much prospect of adding value in the transfer market. I guess the Barton aim is a promotion and an improved CV and few will grumble if indeed a promotion is won next season. As for a long term strategy for taking the club forward unfortunately there is little to see. Agree with this. Everything Wael has tried to date hasn’t worked and he’s flushed a whole load of his money down the toilet to achieve nothing. I don’t think it’s reasonable to describe the training ground as achieving nothing. We might argue over the development strategy for it, but clearly, as the latest planning application demonstrates, there is a plan in place. A more nuanced stance than everything Wael has done = bad, might produce a more interesting discussion. |
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 10, 2021 12:02:13 GMT
HarryStoke Gas, here’s a bit of info ta really get yer teeth into:
What if I was ta tell you Wael al Qadi and his ownership was being orchestrated by Skynet when it became self aware in 2016.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Jun 10, 2021 12:05:46 GMT
Maybe he is maybe he isnt ?
But its all irrelevant unless you know someone whos got a few million pounds in there back pocket?
My two pence hes doing yes he made mistakes but who hasn’t hopefully he’s learned from them .only time will tell I suppose
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jun 10, 2021 12:06:49 GMT
HarryStoke Gas, here’s a bit of info ta really get yer teeth into: What if I was ta tell you Wael al Qadi and his ownership was being orchestrated by Skynet when it became self aware in 2016. Adding to that... Dwayne Sports is an alias for Cyberdyne Systems |
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Post by bluebiro on Jun 10, 2021 12:10:28 GMT
Do you still fix laptops
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Post by baggins on Jun 10, 2021 12:12:32 GMT
HarryStoke Gas, here’s a bit of info ta really get yer teeth into: What if I was ta tell you Wael al Qadi and his ownership was being orchestrated by Skynet when it became self aware in 2016. Adding to that... Dwayne Sports is an alias for Cyberdyne Systems Maybe Harrystoke is Sarah Connor? |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jun 10, 2021 12:13:17 GMT
DC has signed;James Wilson( Salford), Ben Garrity(Blackpool),Brad Walker and Aaron Marin who is 6' 3" which is all I know about him.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 10, 2021 12:13:40 GMT
Adding to that... Dwayne Sports is an alias for Cyberdyne Systems Maybe Harrystoke is Sarah Connor? More like Des O'Conner |
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Post by baggins on Jun 10, 2021 12:20:36 GMT
Maybe Harrystoke is Sarah Connor? More like Des O'Conner He's dead. Or is he? |
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 10, 2021 12:23:08 GMT
Maybe Harrystoke is Sarah Connor? More like Des O'Conner  |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jun 10, 2021 12:27:27 GMT
I'm afraid I stopped taking this seriously at the 'we were all but a league 1 club when he arrived' comment. Unless you've forgotten he arrived on 19th Feb, the day after we beat Morecambe which took us into the play off places. We weren't even in the top 3 let alone walking away with the league so please dont re-write history to suit your anti Wael agenda He had no transfer windows to back DC to shape the team in any meaningful way. Yet people that are very pro Wael and the club use the same argument to claim Barton had nothing to do with the relegation in any way. Hypocrisy at its finest. The team was already there, DC was already there. So no, I don’t consider that his success in anyway, more Higgs’s who laid the groundwork for it if we are going to give someone other than DC credit. You're arguing something completely different now, of course he didn't help to shape the squad he arrived too late for that. DC masterminded that promotion I'm not arguing that at all, you stated that when Wael arrived we were 'all but a league 1 club' which considering promotion was only achieved with virtually the last kick of the season is clearly absolute rubbish |
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Post by badengas on Jun 10, 2021 13:00:44 GMT
CBA to read all the above. Wael is taking us in the right direction I hope.
When can I see us actually play a game ?
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Post by bluebiro on Jun 10, 2021 13:07:26 GMT
What's the criteria needed and any special skill sets needed to join this little clique of poison that like to pedal their own little agenda?
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Post by chilly1883 on Jun 10, 2021 13:47:17 GMT
Agree with this. Everything Wael has tried to date hasn’t worked and he’s flushed a whole load of his money down the toilet to achieve nothing. A lot of his calls in that time have left me worried about his judgement and where the club is going to. Perfectly legitimate concerns that some are determine to shout down and claim are made up at every term. Perhaps they are worried that their unmitigated faith in Wael is misplaced? Strategy now is basically Wael has been starstruck into giving a name he’s heard before full control over most aspects of the club which is really going to damage us down the line. As I said like JB, and want him to win us promotion but can see it all ending in tears sooner rather than later. I agree with you that I have some strong skepticism about transforming the club into Barton Rovers. Nothing to do with it being Joey Barton I would be saying the same whoever it was. What is the average life span for a league manager? I can't be bothered to check but three yearsish? It's inevitable that Joey will leave whether that's because we ask him to or he decides himself. When that happens we will have another complete reset. The same as when any manager leaves or gets sacked! Can you tell me the last manager we had, that did exactly the same, as the one previous? |
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