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Post by baggins on Jun 12, 2021 6:39:13 GMT
There was a bloke a while back on the forums that said, Wael and the board turned down credible proposals for a stadium on a good piece of land in Bristol. It was literally all ready to go and perfect for the club to build and move into. The alternative for Wael? Well there appears to be no alternative, I haven’t heard progress on the FM for months and if you listen to certain people, they’ll tell you there won’t be any. If that doesn’t concern people, I don’t know what does. And before people comment where’s the proof, the guy in question was a genuine Gashead with a decent track record, so yes I am inclined to believe him. It didn't sound credibal to me, it just sounded a vision with no real financial backing? Heard that before.
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Post by piedpiper on Jun 12, 2021 9:35:59 GMT
I’m sure it was watertight…
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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2021 10:47:14 GMT
Name a single other organisation in the world, sporting or otherwise, that have allowed second tier management to appoint and remove board members. When you realise there are none. Have a think about why that might be. That’s a false analogy. It’s much more like a musician telling their record label they don’t like their producer and mixer and they want new one. Controlling directors control businesses, and the decision rested with Wael, not Joey Barton. I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2021 11:08:54 GMT
AN likely to fold ? Why do so many Bristolian & Welsh people us AN instead of and ? Sorry but a pet peeve.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 12, 2021 12:09:43 GMT
AN likely to fold ? Why do so many Bristolian & Welsh people us AN instead of and ? Sorry but a pet peeve. It's been written in the vernacular, KP, just missing the apostrophe denoting the unpronounced 'd'. BJ is from north of the border, although if truth be known, he's probably the poshest on here after Baggins. 😎
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Post by baggins on Jun 12, 2021 12:19:00 GMT
AN likely to fold ? Why do so many Bristolian & Welsh people us AN instead of and ? Sorry but a pet peeve. It's been written in the vernacular, KP, just missing the apostrophe denoting the unpronounced 'd'. BJ is from north of the border, although if truth be known, he's probably the poshest on here after Baggins. 😎 Hey!! ?
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 12, 2021 12:51:48 GMT
That’s a false analogy. It’s much more like a musician telling their record label they don’t like their producer and mixer and they want new one. Controlling directors control businesses, and the decision rested with Wael, not Joey Barton. I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED. Yes, but Wael could have said no. You’re saying that a operational manager is appointing board members. He’s not. If Wael didn’t like it, he couldn’t appoint them. Joey has clearly suggested people and given the current directors are abject failures, Wael is taking this advice. The point being made is Joey is not appointing them and could not appoint them. I’m not sure where you’re going with the NED point, I would say a pointless hair splitting exercise to win pointless points. Agree to disagree. If you think that first team managers don’t have an extremely strong influence on a football club and are, if anything, more powerful than some or all directors, and want to compare it to the board structure of Barclays Bank, feel free to do so.
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Post by baggins on Jun 12, 2021 13:06:50 GMT
I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED. Yes, but Wael could have said no. You’re saying that a operational manager is appointing board members. He’s not. If Wael didn’t like it, he couldn’t appoint them. Joey has clearly suggested people and given the current directors are abject failures, Wael is taking this advice. The point being made is Joey is not appointing them and could not appoint them. I’m not sure where you’re going with the NED point, I would say a pointless hair splitting exercise to win pointless points. Agree to disagree. If you think that first team managers don’t have an extremely strong influence on a football club and are, if anything, more powerful than some or all directors, and want to compare it to the board structure of Barclays Bank, feel free to do so. Wael says yes. Wael says no. That's it.
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Post by playtowin on Jun 12, 2021 13:25:23 GMT
I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED. Yes, but Wael could have said no. You’re saying that a operational manager is appointing board members. He’s not. If Wael didn’t like it, he couldn’t appoint them. Joey has clearly suggested people and given the current directors are abject failures, Wael is taking this advice. The point being made is Joey is not appointing them and could not appoint them. I’m not sure where you’re going with the NED point, I would say a pointless hair splitting exercise to win pointless points. Agree to disagree. If you think that first team managers don’t have an extremely strong influence on a football club and are, if anything, more powerful than some or all directors, and want to compare it to the board structure of Barclays Bank, feel free to do so. The new director arrived to do a specific analysis of the club . Which i guess he did judging by the exits that have occured. Wael must have been impressed enough to find a role at the club for him. Would be my take on the situation
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jun 12, 2021 13:47:33 GMT
AN likely to fold ? Why do so many Bristolian & Welsh people us AN instead of and ? Sorry but a pet peeve. Jools - he’s Scottish. The clue’s in the name: “Big Jock”. He types in a Scottish accent . . .
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jun 12, 2021 14:30:14 GMT
AN likely to fold ? Why do so many Bristolian & Welsh people us AN instead of and ? Sorry but a pet peeve. And you have written us instead of use…. As mentioned above, he’s not Bristolian or Welsh, the clue is in his username. FML, take a break and enjoy the weekend.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2021 16:09:38 GMT
That’s a false analogy. It’s much more like a musician telling their record label they don’t like their producer and mixer and they want new one. Controlling directors control businesses, and the decision rested with Wael, not Joey Barton. I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED. Given we managed to get relegated and run up debts of over £20m thrn perhaps someone else making football decisions on Wael's behalf is no bad thing? Or would you prefer Wael keeps making the decisions himself and we end up back in non league football with even bigger debts? Hamer, Starnes and Widdrington have all been, relative failures, Gibson will do well be be worse than those three, although he's previous connections to JB he doesn't appear to be a member of his Scouse inner group of mates.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2021 19:43:50 GMT
AN likely to fold ? Why do so many Bristolian & Welsh people us AN instead of and ? Sorry but a pet peeve. Jools - he’s Scottish. The clue’s in the name: “Big Jock”. He types in a Scottish accent . . . But i notced lots of Welsh and Bristolians do it. Can’t say I have seen it typed by the online Scots I know
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2021 19:47:11 GMT
AN likely to fold ? Why do so many Bristolian & Welsh people us AN instead of and ? Sorry but a pet peeve. And you have written us instead of use…. As mentioned above, he’s not Bristolian or Welsh, the clue is in his username. FML, take a break and enjoy the weekend. typo
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 12, 2021 21:46:29 GMT
Jools - he’s Scottish. The clue’s in the name: “Big Jock”. He types in a Scottish accent . . . But i notced lots of Welsh and Bristolians do it. Can’t say I have seen it typed by the online Scots I know If you look at Jocks rather mouth watering mealtime thread you’ll see plenty of posts written in his Scottish twang.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 12, 2021 22:00:27 GMT
Jools - he’s Scottish. The clue’s in the name: “Big Jock”. He types in a Scottish accent . . . But i notced lots of Welsh and Bristolians do it. Can’t say I have seen it typed by the online Scots I know Big jock I think is a shortening of a well known rangers phrase in relation to the child abuse scandal at Celtic and jock stein. If he’s a rangers fan That would likely to be the case
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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2021 22:01:33 GMT
I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED. Yes, but Wael could have said no. You’re saying that a operational manager is appointing board members. He’s not. If Wael didn’t like it, he couldn’t appoint them. Joey has clearly suggested people and given the current directors are abject failures, Wael is taking this advice. The point being made is Joey is not appointing them and could not appoint them. I’m not sure where you’re going with the NED point, I would say a pointless hair splitting exercise to win pointless points. Agree to disagree. If you think that first team managers don’t have an extremely strong influence on a football club and are, if anything, more powerful than some or all directors, and want to compare it to the board structure of Barclays Bank, feel free to do so. Erm ... I still feel like you're making my point for me but phrasing it as though it's a rebuttal to what I've said. Wael made the appointment and demotion. Yes. It's evidently and I think undeniably been done at the behest of Barton. Pretty much my sole point is that Wael has done the deed because Barton has demanded it. That's literally from where my scepticism has arisen. I've never said anything about a bank. I said "any organisation, sporting or otherwise" so other football clubs are included in that and as yet no one has been able to give another example.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 12, 2021 22:04:12 GMT
Yes, but Wael could have said no. You’re saying that a operational manager is appointing board members. He’s not. If Wael didn’t like it, he couldn’t appoint them. Joey has clearly suggested people and given the current directors are abject failures, Wael is taking this advice. The point being made is Joey is not appointing them and could not appoint them. I’m not sure where you’re going with the NED point, I would say a pointless hair splitting exercise to win pointless points. Agree to disagree. If you think that first team managers don’t have an extremely strong influence on a football club and are, if anything, more powerful than some or all directors, and want to compare it to the board structure of Barclays Bank, feel free to do so. Erm ... I still feel like you're making my point for me but phrasing it as though it's a rebuttal to what I've said. Wael made the appointment and demotion. Yes. It's evidently and I think undeniably been done at the behest of Barton. Pretty much my sole point is that Wael has done the deed because Barton has demanded it. That's literally from where my scepticism has arisen. I've never said anything about a bank. I said "any organisation, sporting or otherwise" so other football clubs are included in that and as yet no one has been able to give another example. Fair enough. I’ve had a few and relaxed enough to no longer care. Just happy that we have a new guard and not the nonsense we had before. Have a great weekend
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Post by LJG on Jun 12, 2021 22:40:32 GMT
Erm ... I still feel like you're making my point for me but phrasing it as though it's a rebuttal to what I've said. Wael made the appointment and demotion. Yes. It's evidently and I think undeniably been done at the behest of Barton. Pretty much my sole point is that Wael has done the deed because Barton has demanded it. That's literally from where my scepticism has arisen. I've never said anything about a bank. I said "any organisation, sporting or otherwise" so other football clubs are included in that and as yet no one has been able to give another example. Fair enough. I’ve had a few and relaxed enough to no longer care. Just happy that we have a new guard and not the nonsense we had before. Have a great weekend Cheers. You too. Hopefully it all works out well.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 12, 2021 23:53:15 GMT
But i notced lots of Welsh and Bristolians do it. Can’t say I have seen it typed by the online Scots I know If you look at Jocks rather mouth watering mealtime thread you’ll see plenty of posts written in his Scottish twang. Probably didn’t notice because I’m not on here that often. The best thing about the fans forum supporters club was getting to meet other posters. When you actually get to know the people you reply to, it makes it much less probable that you will reply with any nastiness My reply to Jock was a genuine question as I have said, English is my 2nd language and so I love words and finding new ones. I see the use of An instead of and, in Wales more than anywhere else. I am close to a good number of Scots folk as many of my fathers armoured divisions settled in Scotland as it was formed there. I often exchange emails and letters with them and have not seen them use it before so I didn’t think it was a Scottish thing I can be called a grammar nazi by a fair few but only because I don’t take umbrage when someone corrects me, I prefer if they do as I learn from it. It was, by no means, meant in a derisive manner
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