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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 16:06:23 GMT
In a sentence Harry, what are you going to do about your concerns? Other than keep moaning. It’s not up to me to do anything. I do wish other Gasheads could see through Wael’s nicely worded open letters so that a little bit of pressure could be exerted on him though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 16:07:22 GMT
In a sentence Harry, what are you going to do about your concerns? Other than keep moaning. It’s not up to me to do anything. I do wish other Gasheads could see through Wael’s nicely worded open letters so that a little bit of pressure could be exerted on him though. we see it but that pressure would achieve what?
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 16:08:03 GMT
It’s not up to me to do anything. I do wish other Gasheads could see through Wael’s nicely worded open letters so that a little bit of pressure could be exerted on him though. we see it but that pressure would achieve what? Him realising his mistakes and/or selling up or getting another investor involved.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 17, 2021 16:08:46 GMT
Unless you know their relationship then you don't know he is a puppet of the manager. Whether trust is breached depends on the person and what has happened compared to promised. The debt has been capitalised and Wael has confirmed he will keep us going financially. Trust would be breached if he reneged on that. Promotion and relegation is part and parcel of football, would rather it hadn't happened but not sure that is a breach as it's not within the gift of any owner, really. Poor judgement on managers or on players perhaps, but not a breach of trust either. Stadium wise, yes the UWE fell through but this remains a work in progress. Trust not yet breached although patience is starting to wear thin. He also promised a training ground which is being constructed as we speak. So a positive in the trust column. What he hasn't done is wind up the club and sell the stadium which is one of the nightmare scenarios some have suggested will happen. On balance, I'd probably trust him at this stage. Pretty big clue in their relationship is that they used to work together, that’s public knowledge. My trust in Wael has certainly been breached, legitimising my concern. Why, you ask? None of his promises, about evolution, new stadiums, youth academies ect have been met and we’ve gone backwards. My concern is how long can Wael keep going. How long does he have that kind of money to throw away. In Wael’s admittance he’s no billionaire, so surely the thought of him throwing away tens of millions independently of his family, even make the most supportive of Gasheads a little concerned? The training ground is underwhelming, to say the least. On balance? Nope not trusting him. Having a good working relationship and trust, now there's a word, doesn't automatically confer being a puppet. He may well be a consummate professional. In terms of your debit column, that's your choice. Yes some questions need clarification and certain events have been disappointing. Still time to make good those promises.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 16:09:18 GMT
we see it but that pressure would achieve what? Him realising his mistakes and/or selling up or getting another investor involved. dream on... he doesn't give 2 shits what we think. It achieves nothing but negativity at the club.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 17, 2021 16:10:06 GMT
we see it but that pressure would achieve what? Him realising his mistakes and/or selling up or getting another investor involved. Do you know for a fact that he's not?
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 16:12:40 GMT
Him realising his mistakes and/or selling up or getting another investor involved. dream on... he doesn't give 2 shits what we think. It achieves nothing but negativity at the club. Wael cares a lot about what people think, which is why he goes out of his way to seek compromise. Sack tommy but retain him in a cushy director role. Appoint Barton but keep Maher. That kind of thing, compromise often leads to poor decision making in my humble experience.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 16:14:22 GMT
Him realising his mistakes and/or selling up or getting another investor involved. Do you know for a fact that he's not? Nope, but as I stated, I look at circumstantial evidences and emerging patterns to draw my own conclusions.
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Post by playtowin on Jun 17, 2021 16:34:11 GMT
The new director arrived to do a specific analysis of the club . Which i guess he did judging by the exits that have occured. Wael must have been impressed enough to find a role at the club for him. Would be my take on the situation It’s not that hard to make Wael impressed. Half decent PowerPoint, brag about some famous player you’ve met. Our very problem is this in fact. Nah
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 16:35:55 GMT
Unless you know their relationship then you don't know he is a puppet of the manager. Whether trust is breached depends on the person and what has happened compared to promised. The debt has been capitalised and Wael has confirmed he will keep us going financially. Trust would be breached if he reneged on that. Promotion and relegation is part and parcel of football, would rather it hadn't happened but not sure that is a breach as it's not within the gift of any owner, really. Poor judgement on managers or on players perhaps, but not a breach of trust either. Stadium wise, yes the UWE fell through but this remains a work in progress. Trust not yet breached although patience is starting to wear thin. He also promised a training ground which is being constructed as we speak. So a positive in the trust column. What he hasn't done is wind up the club and sell the stadium which is one of the nightmare scenarios some have suggested will happen. On balance, I'd probably trust him at this stage. Pretty big clue in their relationship is that they used to work together, that’s public knowledge. My trust in Wael has certainly been breached, legitimising my concern. Why, you ask? None of his promises, about evolution, new stadiums, youth academies ect have been met and we’ve gone backwards. My concern is how long can Wael keep going. How long does he have that kind of money to throw away. In Wael’s admittance he’s no billionaire, so surely the thought of him throwing away tens of millions independently of his family, even make the most supportive of Gasheads a little concerned? The training ground is underwhelming, to say the least. On balance? Nope not trusting him. The training ground is by far and away the best training ground the club has ever had. Fact! Why is it underwhelming in your opinion?
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jun 17, 2021 16:40:29 GMT
Again all your opinion unless of course you were present at the meetings between Wael and the new director and sat on the interview panels for the managers appointed since he arrived Plenty of circumstantial evidence that supports it. If it was a one off, I’d tend to agree but now its a pattern that’s emerging. My opinion? I’ve never denied the fact that what I post on here is such. I'm still not sure if you are a genuinely concerned gashead or someone with some kind of axe to grind against the owner. I have no idea who were part of the decision making process when it came to the new director but his CV does suggest he'll be an asset. As for the managers he hasnt appointed them by himself, Widdrington and Starnes were both involved so blame has to fall between them all.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 17, 2021 16:53:23 GMT
Had it confirmed to me today that Wael is giving Joey a L1 budget to get us out of L2 at the first attempt.
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Post by 1986gashead on Jun 17, 2021 16:58:21 GMT
I don’t think you can say he’s aiming in the wrong direction at least, last time we took a step backwards we turned around and took 2 steps forward. I believe we can do that again. Utg People who accept defeat, will never achieve net success. That’s just a fact. We got 2 relegations last time, followed by 2 promotions and now a relegations. That’s 2 promotions and 3 relegations. A net result of one step in the wrong direction. It’s time Rovers fans stopped being lackeys and started having some ambition. In wanting something new, different for the football club, I believe I’ve showed plenty of that in this thread. 2 relegations and 1 promotion were before Wael even arrived.. I’m sure that has some relevance lol
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 17:02:30 GMT
Had it confirmed to me today that Wael is giving Joey a L1 budget to get us out of L2 at the first attempt. I thought Wael’s latest drive was for sustainability, that’s gone out of the window then. This is what I mean about trust, he says one thing, does the other. If we were losing 3 million a year on a L1 budget in L1, how much will we lose in L2 on a L1 budget? And people question why I’m so concerned.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 17:03:37 GMT
People who accept defeat, will never achieve net success. That’s just a fact. We got 2 relegations last time, followed by 2 promotions and now a relegations. That’s 2 promotions and 3 relegations. A net result of one step in the wrong direction. It’s time Rovers fans stopped being lackeys and started having some ambition. In wanting something new, different for the football club, I believe I’ve showed plenty of that in this thread. 2 relegations and 1 promotion were before Wael even arrived.. I’m sure that has some relevance lol Stated this time and time again but the 2016 promotion was not Wael’s and has nothing to do with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 17:14:07 GMT
2 relegations and 1 promotion were before Wael even arrived.. I’m sure that has some relevance lol Stated this time and time again but the 2016 promotion was not Wael’s and has nothing to do with him. Nothing to do with him? He was the owner, had recently taken over the club and was the owner at the time we were promoted. Whether you like it or not that's a fact! It cannot be denied that after he took over we went on a great run which brought us promotion. Perhaps the new owner bounce had some effect, we will never know that, but what we do know is he was our owner at the time and we were promoted.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 17, 2021 17:15:24 GMT
Had it confirmed to me today that Wael is giving Joey a L1 budget to get us out of L2 at the first attempt. Wouldn't surprise me, I do think we'll be throwing the kitchen sink at it. Time will tell.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 17, 2021 17:16:04 GMT
I don’t think you can say he’s aiming in the wrong direction at least, last time we took a step backwards we turned around and took 2 steps forward. I believe we can do that again. Utg People who accept defeat, will never achieve net success. That’s just a fact. We got 2 relegations last time, followed by 2 promotions and now a relegations. That’s 2 promotions and 3 relegations. A net result of one step in the wrong direction. It’s time Rovers fans stopped being lackeys and started having some ambition. In wanting something new, different for the football club, I believe I’ve showed plenty of that in this thread.Following on your comment about me on the other forum for calling you out, you called me “the rudest poster” you’d ever met and “impertinent”, so I’m not sure you really want to communicate with me!! I’m a bit confused as earlier on I seemed “decent” on this thread. I’m slightly puzzled, not for the first time I have to say. I. Sorry to be thought of as “impertinent”, I’ll promise to doff my cap in future and only speak when spoken to! 😉 But...and if you could answer I would be grateful. Why are we lackeys for, presumably, having a different opinion from you? How do we lack ambition? We had a totally crap season but I still want to see us play as high as we can. Just because others have a different opinion from you doesn’t mean they are lackeys or they lack ambition. And that is exactly what I mean when I accuse you of showing disrespect, sowing dissention and being a WUM. Do you not realise that calling fellow posters “lackeys” is really not helping your case? This “something new, different”, what is it, a different owner? A different way of doing things? Again you’ve not said what it is. You’ve suggested you have put reasoned arguments yet have yet to put forward an alternative to WAQ who has been funding us through these awful times. Saying you’ve made reasoned arguments in your response to Hugo is not the same as doing it. As others have said people with the necessary financial muscle are not banging down our door to take us over. Of course WAQ has made errors but he has all done some very good things as highlighted in bluestick’s very full post. Seriously, who do you have in mind to take us over? I’d really like to know this person who will solve what you’ve said is our financial worries and who will build our new ground. UTG! ps. And finally, don’t disrespect Big Jock. He doesn’t need me to support him, he can do that himself but he always posts with total respect to others. Pretty sure you could learn something from him. 🤔
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Post by BrightonGas on Jun 17, 2021 17:28:27 GMT
2 relegations and 1 promotion were before Wael even arrived.. I’m sure that has some relevance lol Stated this time and time again but the 2016 promotion was not Wael’s and has nothing to do with him. Seems you had a couple of days off and now your back fully revitalised banging in the negative replies, thanks, just what I needed.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 17, 2021 17:46:31 GMT
Had it confirmed to me today that Wael is giving Joey a L1 budget to get us out of L2 at the first attempt. I thought Wael’s latest drive was for sustainability, that’s gone out of the window then. This is what I mean about trust, he says one thing, does the other. If we were losing 3 million a year on a L1 budget in L1, how much will we lose in L2 on a L1 budget? And people question why I’m so concerned. You have to be joking. Gives us a massive budget. You say he’s a liar. I am the most anti censorship person that there is, but this guy is a troll. Ban him and move on.
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