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Post by yattongas on Jun 11, 2021 21:56:29 GMT
Harrystokegas, you have taken some stick and some maybe a little OTT, but you are not helping yourself here. I know people are entitled to their opinions but Hijacking each thread with comments like the above is going to cause friction. There is enough on another thread without bringing it into a thread about Waels letter to the fans. I respectfully responded and was open to discuss your concerns on a previous thread where my last message wasn’t answered, probably missed due to the amount of replies you were getting. It was a simple question, would you be happy if Wael walked away tomorrow? And what do you think would happen to the club if he did? I apologise that I did not respond to your post on the other thread, as you say I’ve had numerous replies and a busy man as I am, I’ve struggled to reply to them all. I think it’s rather unfair to demand that I keep my views just to one thread. Yes, I won’t state them on every thread, but when another thread of a similar topic comes along why can’t I share them on there? What other poster on this forum is asked to keep his views on just one thread? When that thread dies and I’m sure it will soon. I would have nowhere to post following those rules. To answer your question, yes I would be happy. I think the club needs a fresh start on the ownership front and have argued this prior. I think we would manage to secure owners that could run the club on a more sustainable footing, make more progress on the stadium front than the snails pace that Wael has operated at and who wouldn’t be swayed as easily by strong opinions in the boardroom. So who have you got lined up to be our new owner who’ll deliver what you desire , or if you’ve not got anyone lined up who do you want Harry ?
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 11, 2021 22:30:37 GMT
I apologise that I did not respond to your post on the other thread, as you say I’ve had numerous replies and a busy man as I am, I’ve struggled to reply to them all. I think it’s rather unfair to demand that I keep my views just to one thread. Yes, I won’t state them on every thread, but when another thread of a similar topic comes along why can’t I share them on there? What other poster on this forum is asked to keep his views on just one thread? When that thread dies and I’m sure it will soon. I would have nowhere to post following those rules. To answer your question, yes I would be happy. I think the club needs a fresh start on the ownership front and have argued this prior. I think we would manage to secure owners that could run the club on a more sustainable footing, make more progress on the stadium front than the snails pace that Wael has operated at and who wouldn’t be swayed as easily by strong opinions in the boardroom. So who have you got lined up to be our new owner who’ll deliver what you desire , or if you’ve not got anyone lined up who do you want Harry ? Do you think Oyston out supporters had anyone lined up? No, they just wanted the current ownership gone, with the belief that most owners taking charge would do a better job. That’s sort of where I’m at right now. Like I’ve stated on here and elsewhere, I’ve got serious reservations about our ownership currently.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 11, 2021 22:36:24 GMT
So who have you got lined up to be our new owner who’ll deliver what you desire , or if you’ve not got anyone lined up who do you want Harry ? Do you think Oyston out supporters had anyone lined up? No, they just wanted the current ownership gone, with the belief that most owners taking charge would do a better job. That’s sort of where I’m at right now. Like I’ve stated on here and elsewhere, I’ve got serious reservations about our ownership currently. Really Harry … really ? You’re comparing our owner to Oysten ! Blimey …. I can’t say much more on that 🙄
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 11, 2021 22:37:49 GMT
Do you think Oyston out supporters had anyone lined up? No, they just wanted the current ownership gone, with the belief that most owners taking charge would do a better job. That’s sort of where I’m at right now. Like I’ve stated on here and elsewhere, I’ve got serious reservations about our ownership currently. Really Harry … really ? You’re comparing our owner to Oysten ! Blimey …. I can’t say much more on that 🙄 Not a direct comparison no, just comparing the circumstances that the Oyston out campaign and those who express scepticism of our current owners.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 11, 2021 22:42:03 GMT
Really Harry … really ? You’re comparing our owner to Oysten ! Blimey …. I can’t say much more on that 🙄 Not a direct comparison no, just comparing the circumstances that the Oyston out campaign and those who express scepticism of our current owners. Completely and utterly a different set of circumstances. As you well know, the comparison is laughable and insulting. You’re better than that , as Chris Sutton would say 🙄
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jun 11, 2021 23:07:17 GMT
I see gasheads.org is dying out then Harry. And I thought they hated immigration.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 11, 2021 23:11:15 GMT
I see gasheads.org is dying out then Harry. And I thought they hated immigration. I’ve just registered and first reply was get lost! Hospitable bunch aren’t they? I was told that forum was a perfect fit too by some on here.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 11, 2021 23:18:58 GMT
harrystokes, respectfully: Ive asked you to explain how we’d be in a “better, more financially secure place....” without WAQ and by my reckoning so has bidefordgas Stuart1974 Tilly’s Thighs bluegas. (Apologies if I’ve missed anyone) So far you’ve not answered it, which is, of course, your right not to do so. But without an answer or an explanation as to how we’d be “better off” you are either a WUM, someone who is s*** stirring, someone with an anti-WAQ agenda or someone with a few spare hours who decided to sow a few seeds of dissension amongst gasheads, or someone who was looking for an argument and trying to get some on here banned or even get yourself banned so you could wear it as a badge of honour. Jeez! Ill let you decide. UTG! Wael and his family have racked up over £20 million worth of debt since they have arrived. My claim is as thus, should another investor have taken over from Higgs, they would have had the financial prudence not to have spent beyond their means. That’s more of an opinion than a claim to be honest, as we won’t ever know for sure. Would we have been worse off on the field? Well its hard to see how we’d be any worse off than plying our trade in League Two. Never tried to get anyone banned, or wanted to get banned myself. Do wish some could have better manners and be more respectful to others opinions. It’s ironic actually that people keep pointing me in the direction of the other forum because that just proves Gasheads hold views similar to mine and if they do they have a right to be heard on this platform. It’s regrettable that people think I’m trying to sow the seed of dissent, I said from my first post that I was explicitly stating my personal concerns and not trying to persuade anyone else to change theirs. To everyone who has reacted to my posts in a calm and civilised fashion, thank you! Wasn’t some of that debt carried over from the past owners. Then a lot of the debt over the early years were to do with Uwe. In one years accounts over a million was to do with that. The budget went up, we started a development side etc. Things cost money, if he didn’t spend and you would be moaning about that. At the end of the day, until we get a new ground, we will continue to lose a lot of money. Unless we make a lot of cuts. Either way, he can’t win, with people like you.
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Post by eastgas on Jun 11, 2021 23:29:09 GMT
Harrystokegas, you have taken some stick and some maybe a little OTT, but you are not helping yourself here. I know people are entitled to their opinions but Hijacking each thread with comments like the above is going to cause friction. There is enough on another thread without bringing it into a thread about Waels letter to the fans. I respectfully responded and was open to discuss your concerns on a previous thread where my last message wasn’t answered, probably missed due to the amount of replies you were getting. It was a simple question, would you be happy if Wael walked away tomorrow? And what do you think would happen to the club if he did? I apologise that I did not respond to your post on the other thread, as you say I’ve had numerous replies and a busy man as I am, I’ve struggled to reply to them all. I think it’s rather unfair to demand that I keep my views just to one thread. Yes, I won’t state them on every thread, but when another thread of a similar topic comes along why can’t I share them on there? What other poster on this forum is asked to keep his views on just one thread? When that thread dies and I’m sure it will soon. I would have nowhere to post following those rules. To answer your question, yes I would be happy. I think the club needs a fresh start on the ownership front and have argued this prior. I think we would manage to secure owners that could run the club on a more sustainable footing, make more progress on the stadium front than the snails pace that Wael has operated at and who wouldn’t be swayed as easily by strong opinions in the boardroom. I didn’t demand you keep to one thread, I was just giving an observation. You say you are not here to stir or rile people up and just want a sensible debate and give an alternative view, but going thread to thread with the same negativity isn’t going to achieve that. Doing this will only cause people to view you as a WUM and won’t engage with anything positive. Absolutely Your call and your choice what you post and where I just don’t want to see every thread break down and turn into the same negativity as other threads. The forum becomes a place most don’t want to read.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 12, 2021 5:18:17 GMT
I apologise that I did not respond to your post on the other thread, as you say I’ve had numerous replies and a busy man as I am, I’ve struggled to reply to them all. I think it’s rather unfair to demand that I keep my views just to one thread. Yes, I won’t state them on every thread, but when another thread of a similar topic comes along why can’t I share them on there? What other poster on this forum is asked to keep his views on just one thread? When that thread dies and I’m sure it will soon. I would have nowhere to post following those rules. To answer your question, yes I would be happy. I think the club needs a fresh start on the ownership front and have argued this prior. I think we would manage to secure owners that could run the club on a more sustainable footing, make more progress on the stadium front than the snails pace that Wael has operated at and who wouldn’t be swayed as easily by strong opinions in the boardroom. I didn’t demand you keep to one thread, I was just giving an observation. You say you are not here to stir or rile people up and just want a sensible debate and give an alternative view, but going thread to thread with the same negativity isn’t going to achieve that. Doing this will only cause people to view you as a WUM and won’t engage with anything positive. Absolutely Your call and your choice what you post and where I just don’t want to see every thread break down and turn into the same negativity as other threads. The forum becomes a place most don’t want to read. Maybe that's the idea.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 12, 2021 6:16:15 GMT
We'd be gone if it wasn't for him. Untrue. We’d be in a better, more financially secure place. Perhaps even with more Stadium project progress. Words cannot explain how ignorant, stupid and inept your words are. They’re the views of someone who’s given as much deep analysis to a situation as a dog who is presently barking at his own rear end because he farted. As this is an attack on the comment and not the poster, I can only assume you were drunk or depressed, so I’ll give you a chance now to return to the land of sanity and after a full and frank retraction and apology I’ll be happy to restore your credibility.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2021 6:26:11 GMT
Really Harry … really ? You’re comparing our owner to Oysten ! Blimey …. I can’t say much more on that 🙄 Not a direct comparison no, just comparing the circumstances that the Oyston out campaign and those who express scepticism of our current owners. Blackpool's owners bought the club in a forced sell for £10m(?) and purchased a Championship ground including a hotel plus a training ground etc. What's any potential owners going to get at Rovers, other than "potential"?
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jun 12, 2021 7:28:55 GMT
Difference between Oyston out, Venkys out, Power out and Duchatelet out and Rovers is that the systematic abuse of the club, obvious detrimental mismanagement or the serious lack of investment united the fan base to almost 100% agreement that anything, anything at all would be better than the current incumbent. Whereas it’s a tiny minority of our fan base ranging from those with serious misgivings, to those frozen out by the current regime to Walter Mitty types who think there is a second billionaire to rival SL just aching to be parted from millions of pounds to yes keyboard warriors and spoilt or spiteful children. There is not one supporter who will have agreed with everything that Wael has done (not even Wael himself given his reversal of previous decisions made). The appointment of JB is one of his more divisive decisions, pulling out of the UWE another, whilst forging ahead with getting the training ground project started, converting the debt to equity and guaranteeing the immediate future of the club throughout the pandemic are amongst his more popular actions.
There are other signs that suggest the club is making progress in the right direction, TG is not everyone’s cup of tea, having shaken up the commercial department and sacrificed some worthy long serving volunteer characters but he’s generating revenue where we were leaking it before and the long held criticism of us being the most amateurly run professional football club in England can’t now be levelled at us. We’ve always been a club that has contributed to its community but the increase of recognition for the efforts being made on that front shows we have e regime that encourages growing the club and community in equal measure, both the macro and micro views are being taken.
The big one on all of our Wishlists is the stadium, something we’ve long been thwarted in achieving, our owner has said we can’t continue to survive without one...not we might not, we CAN’T. So it’s unequivocal that he’s pursuing that. There are detractors saying it’s pie in the sky and he hasn’t the resources to get it built but none of our chairmen/owners ever have. The Mem rebuild was to be financed by student accommodation revenue but the global credit crisis put paid to that. The UWE was to be funded by the sale of the Mem to Sainsbury’s until their property strategy u-turn. Now COVID19 has taken billions out of the economy and focused businesses on survival rather than improvement projects. Once there is a realistic chance of outside investment into a stadium build project being found then things will move forward again. Wael doesn’t have the money to build it out of his own pocket just like our other chairmen/owners but getting investors on board for multi million pound projects? He’s probably the most qualified of any of our recent owners to do that!
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Jun 12, 2021 7:41:11 GMT
Imagine sitting behind your keyboard thinking you’re ever so clever and you’re socking it to all the happy clappers and nasty Mods on Gas chat . Congratulating yourself how on how well you’re doing . Meanwhile….. everyone else thinks you’re a d…. 😃 I honestly don’t care what others think of me, I do however care that arguments these days all too often end in name calling, anger and tension. It would be such an easier life to navigate through if people treated others with respect and decency. It’s funny because in my discussions in the clubhouse on Saturday’s many partially or wholly share my views, perhaps this place is not representative of the fan base and with some posters hostile reaction to my concerns and opinions, it’s not too hard to see why. I want to touch on something that's been said that nobody has picked up on.. "I honestly don’t care what others think of me" You should Your opinions are all we know about you in here, and to use that sentence doesn't give you carte blanche to say inflammatory things and then complain when others are annoyed by your comments. It also is a sentence I feel, somebody that doesn't have the greatest social skills would use, and uses that sentence as a "comfort blanket" when the reaction they wanted was probably more than they could handle. Our opinions and what we think about people can mean 2 slightly different things. I've had debates that haven't gone my way with people in here, my opinion can change, so to, the way I thought about my side of the debate. You seemed blinkered to that idea and blindly want to make remarks that will get the kind of reactions you're getting and offer NO evidence to substantiate your claims, so get back to your blanket fort stick your thumb in your mouth, shrug... and mutter "I honestly don't care what others think of me" and hope that all the bad people have gone away..
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 12, 2021 8:02:56 GMT
Imagine sitting behind your keyboard thinking you’re ever so clever and you’re socking it to all the happy clappers and nasty Mods on Gas chat . Congratulating yourself how on how well you’re doing . Meanwhile….. everyone else thinks you’re a d…. 😃 I honestly don’t care what others think of me, I do however care that arguments these days all too often end in name calling, anger and tension. It would be such an easier life to navigate through if people treated others with respect and decency. It’s funny because in my discussions in the clubhouse on Saturday’s many partially or wholly share my views, perhaps this place is not representative of the fan base and with some posters hostile reaction to my concerns and opinions, it’s not too hard to see why. How many people in the clubhouse bar understand anything about the realities of running a business, let alone the corporate balance sheet of Bristol Rovers? How many as fairly ignorant of this, don’t want to bother looking at the bigger picture and just assume that we have a long list of suitors ready to p1ss £25M down a black hole because of the “massive potential” we all think exists but put within the context of the capital expenditure, doesn’t, and has been proven with 35 years of boards not being able to extract this mythical value? I would recommend you go away, look at the balance sheet and earnings statement pre Wael and post Wael, research the cost of a stadium, the ROCE of the project, and then report back on your findings. If you can’t be bothered to do any of that, your opinion is allowed, but it’s as invalid, the same way a 6 year old is allowed to have the opinion they can drive a train yet we all understand it’s a long way beyond their competencies and understanding to form an opinion which should be taken seriously. So, it’s quite an asset to you if you don’t care what others think, because you’re going to need that attitude if you keep having strong opinions on things you don’t understand. I’m sure Geoff and Barry, the warehouse operatives and Dave the taxi driver from the clubhouse will continue to support your views, perhaps you should get them to put a CV into the board to be our new FD and operations director. The reason why you are getting crucified is that this guy has recently done perhaps the most beneficial things for our club since the 1930s sale of eastville. Since then we’ve had a noose around our necks, and weights added to our ankles. Clearing our debt is bigger than a promotion, and if I was offered: debt cleared and league 2 or keep debt and league 1, I would take the debt cleared. The stuff Wael is doing is long term and the moment he did £20+ million into our debts was the biggest moment for BRFC in my lifetime. Anyone who sows discord about this man’s commitment or actions rightly deserves to be told to jog on. It’s beyond contempt to suggest we could do better.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 12, 2021 8:24:55 GMT
Wow Since my "enforced" absence this post has got a bit exciting ! Apologies to anybody i upset with some of my previous posts, I was trying (and failing) to put some light hearted banter into a situation that in my opinion was getting very "Toxic" Note to self - stop being a Dick ( is that word aloud )
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Post by Gasshole on Jun 12, 2021 9:43:59 GMT
Thank you Wael, with your support we will win again.
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Post by piedpiper on Jun 12, 2021 9:48:48 GMT
Wow Since my "enforced" absence this post has got a bit exciting ! Apologies to anybody i upset with some of my previous posts, I was trying (and failing) to put some light hearted banter into a situation that in my opinion was getting very "Toxic" Note to self - stop being a Dick ( is that word aloud ) *allowed Yes it is! I for one like a bit of distraction banter/ humour. This place is toxic at times with comments that make we wonder why some ‘fans’, still choose to associate with our club. Seriously all, if it is too much of a struggle, why bother. Life is too short…
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jun 12, 2021 9:50:21 GMT
Think JB prepared a statement for him to read ... Wow seemed very robotic. Half expected Borat to leap in shouting ...... " That's Niiiiiiiiicccceeeee! - just to liven things up a bit. Refer to joey as Joe if you are being held against your will He dosnt like being called ‘joey ‘ apparently .cant blame him , bit of a ‘budgie’ name !
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jun 12, 2021 9:54:21 GMT
A rather wide sweeping statement. Care to elaborate and tell us who and how would have achieved what you claim? Was just about to. Then I read the abuse you dished out to me, so no I won’t engage with people like that. 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 laugh button !!!!!!!!
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