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Post by shawyblue on Jul 19, 2021 18:03:11 GMT
It's only worrying for those who were paranoid already and will use this as justification of their paranoia. I’m not paranoid and so are thousands of others that don’t want this vaccine , can’t keep tearing people with the same brush. It is very worrying that this is being pushed onto people but like I said , me , my wife and my kids will never be taking it so we’ll have to see how it all pans out , if I’m unable to attend football , I won’t , if I can’t attend a pub , I won’t ( fortunately my family have their own pub so that won’t be a big issue) Good, I wouldn’t want to attend and stand next to anti-vaxxers. People who are selfish by not taking the vaccine need to learn that their actions will have consequences. The rest of us? All vaxxed up, healthy and enjoying the footy. 😅👍
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Post by eastgas on Jul 19, 2021 18:03:50 GMT
No, it's not at all. They are professional and treat patients with the care that they need. Druggies, Joyriders, Drunks who fall over, 40 a day smokers, may be a bit demoralising though.. Of course they treat them with the care they need but these same people are causing hurt to others by what I see as their selfish actions. Can you explain in what way someone who hasn’t had a vaccine is selfish? If the person who hasn’t chosen to have had their vaccine, (many reasons people will not put untested, unknown chemicals into their body) but follow every rule to ensure themselves and others are safe what is the issue? People’s anger and self righteous opinions on both sides of the argument is not going to do this country and it’s people any good, if things continue at the rate it’s going I can see huge societal problems arising which will not end well
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 19, 2021 18:04:32 GMT
This is your quote "Gas Goes Marching In" from the Caz thread.I don't mean she deserves the abuse or anything like that. What I mean is people have an opinion and get made to feel sh** for having their opinion and get called things like rape apologists. Admittedly I was guilty of this myself the other day when I felt strongly about something but we do need to allow for some freedom of speech. Not hatred, just some people will have a different opinion to the mainstream and that is OK.Why not put this into practise? quite ironic looking at your posts on this thread. I feel strongly about this. My post in that thread was a general comment about people who go along with the mainstream about everything. Oh so , because you feel strongly about this and not so much the other topic , your opinion is more valid ?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 19, 2021 18:04:52 GMT
Of course they treat them with the care they need but these same people are causing hurt to others by what I see as their selfish actions. Can you explain in what way someone who hasn’t had a vaccine is selfish? If the person who hasn’t chosen to have had their vaccine, (many reasons people will not put untested, unknown chemicals into their body) but follow every rule to ensure themselves and others are safe what is the issue? People’s anger and self righteous opinions on both sides of the argument is not going to do this country and it’s people any good, if things continue at the rate it’s going I can see huge societal problems arising which will not end well See above.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 19, 2021 18:05:41 GMT
No, you need to stop saying ‘selfish’ as like I’ve said to you before , you don’t know the reasons for people’s refusal so you can’t judge , all you’re doing is generalising and making assumptions. It's my opinion. You might disagree with it and their reason might not be selfish to them but the ultimate effects of their decision make them selfish, yes. Utter rubbish , until you actually speak to people first hand , you don’t know what you’re talking about so you can’t judge.
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Post by miltongas on Jul 19, 2021 18:05:52 GMT
I’m reminded of this that I saw some time ago on Twitter:
"I don't need the vaccine," they said while enjoying life without polio, tetanus, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, rubella, measles, whooping cough, the mumps, smallpox, diphtheria, rabies, rotavirus, pneumococcal disease, HPV, meningococcal disease, shingles and a bunch of 1800s stuff
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 19, 2021 18:06:14 GMT
It's my opinion. You might disagree with it and their reason might not be selfish to them but the ultimate effects of their decision make them selfish, yes. Utter rubbish , until you actually speak to people first hand , you don’t know what you’re talking about so you can’t judge. I can judge, I will judge, I have judged. Some reasons might be more reasonable than others but ultimately it is a selfish action in my opinion.
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Post by shawyblue on Jul 19, 2021 18:06:16 GMT
No, you need to stop saying ‘selfish’ as like I’ve said to you before , you don’t know the reasons for people’s refusal so you can’t judge , all you’re doing is generalising and making assumptions. It's my opinion. You might disagree with it and their reason might not be selfish to them but the ultimate effects of their decision make them selfish, yes. Exactly, how anyone could think that not protecting others from a virus isn’t selfish is mind boggling. Oh well, it’s their loss if they aren’t allowed to attend events and eventually contract it and need a ventilator to survive. Kindly provided by the ones encouraging them to get a vax of course!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 19, 2021 18:07:43 GMT
If those who won't take the vaccine know they won't change their mind, then it probably means that they reject the vaccines for ideological rather than rational reasons. I have some in my circle of friends. They are the same ones who said 'f**k you' to lockdown rules and probably the main reason it's gone on this long.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 19, 2021 18:08:50 GMT
I’m not paranoid and so are thousands of others that don’t want this vaccine , can’t keep tearing people with the same brush. It is very worrying that this is being pushed onto people but like I said , me , my wife and my kids will never be taking it so we’ll have to see how it all pans out , if I’m unable to attend football , I won’t , if I can’t attend a pub , I won’t ( fortunately my family have their own pub so that won’t be a big issue) Good, I wouldn’t want to attend and stand next to anti-vaxxers. People who are selfish by not taking the vaccine need to learn that their actions will have consequences. The rest of us? All vaxxed up, healthy and enjoying the footy. 😅👍 Crack on then , like I said , I feel that strongly about it that I’m willing to not attend football matches , I’m not ‘vaxxed up’ and I’m also fit and healthy. I’m also not selfish , you don’t know me so don’t make assumptions , 👍
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 19, 2021 18:09:44 GMT
Good, I wouldn’t want to attend and stand next to anti-vaxxers. People who are selfish by not taking the vaccine need to learn that their actions will have consequences. The rest of us? All vaxxed up, healthy and enjoying the footy. 😅👍 Crack on then , like I said , I feel that strongly about it that I’m willing to not attend football matches , I’m not ‘vaxxed up’ and I’m also fit and healthy. I’m also not selfish , you don’t know me so don’t make assumptions , 👍 To be fair not willing to watch the dross we serve up is not really much of a statement. 😂
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 19, 2021 18:10:09 GMT
Utter rubbish , until you actually speak to people first hand , you don’t know what you’re talking about so you can’t judge. I can judge, I will judge, I have judged. Some reasons might be more reasonable than others but ultimately it is a selfish action in my opinion. We’ll end it there as I will never agree with you and vice Versa 😀
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 19, 2021 18:10:43 GMT
Crack on then , like I said , I feel that strongly about it that I’m willing to not attend football matches , I’m not ‘vaxxed up’ and I’m also fit and healthy. I’m also not selfish , you don’t know me so don’t make assumptions , 👍 To be fair not willing to watch the dross we serve up is not really much of a statement. 😂 😂😂 very true 😂😂
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Post by eastgas on Jul 19, 2021 18:11:02 GMT
I’m not paranoid and so are thousands of others that don’t want this vaccine , can’t keep tearing people with the same brush. It is very worrying that this is being pushed onto people but like I said , me , my wife and my kids will never be taking it so we’ll have to see how it all pans out , if I’m unable to attend football , I won’t , if I can’t attend a pub , I won’t ( fortunately my family have their own pub so that won’t be a big issue) Good, I wouldn’t want to attend and stand next to anti-vaxxers. People who are selfish by not taking the vaccine need to learn that their actions will have consequences. The rest of us? All vaxxed up, healthy and enjoying the footy. 😅👍 Some of the comments on this thread are embarrassing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 18:12:04 GMT
Regardless of your opinion on the vaccine , This is truly worrying that this type of coercion is now being used, who knows where it will end. The science suggests less will die if the vaccine uptake is very large. Covid will not go away just because we want it to, the Government has probably now realized this, and it looks as though the country will in due course move to a policy of freedoms only for the vaccinated, isolation, job losses and misery for the unvaccinated. Not a desirable outcome but then nothing about Covid is desirable. It will never go away. Partly because it arrived in strange circumstances and nobody knows the truth. It mutates. The vaccine doesn't work well enough to eradicate it. Perfect tool to control people, as we have seen over the past 18 months. It will make a shed load of cash for Pharma and the main online players in retail. What happens if everyone is vaccinated but we still get spikes and waves? Repeat lockdowns? Boosters? Bubbles? Masks forever? Those countries without vaccines will be rid of this before us.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2021 18:14:07 GMT
There are consequences both in having the vaccine and not having it. For me the risks of not having it far outweighs the risks of potential side effects.
I had it not just to protect myself but, due to the virulent nature, my family too. It's not a risk I can just reserve for me, it has profound implications for others too.
If you choose not to have it, that's your choice and I still think you are wrong, but please choose not to have it for genuine reasons and don't fall for unsubstantiated rumours, hyperbole or scare stories.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 18:14:29 GMT
I’m not paranoid and so are thousands of others that don’t want this vaccine , can’t keep tearing people with the same brush. It is very worrying that this is being pushed onto people but like I said , me , my wife and my kids will never be taking it so we’ll have to see how it all pans out , if I’m unable to attend football , I won’t , if I can’t attend a pub , I won’t ( fortunately my family have their own pub so that won’t be a big issue) Good, I wouldn’t want to attend and stand next to anti-vaxxers. People who are selfish by not taking the vaccine need to learn that their actions will have consequences. The rest of us? All vaxxed up, healthy and enjoying the footy. 😅👍 Are you joking? You can still catch it, pass it on and die. Plus, you won't enjoy the footy. A. Its rovers and we're sh**e. B. It will be disrupted due to covid.
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Post by randomdude on Jul 19, 2021 18:16:34 GMT
Well if that is the case then unfortunately my season ticket will be going in the bin. Seems a bit too much like coercion to me but I’m sticking to my guns on this one. It's shocking. Surely now even those of you who are vaxxed etc can see that this is wrong. If they were going to make it impossible to avoid, why not make it compulsory in the first place? By making it a choice you are giving people exactly that. Now it is nothing short of coercion and blackmail which is bang out of order. This could get ugly. I agree. I think everyone should get vaccinated, and I think a large proportion of the people not getting vaccinated have fairly poor justification for their stance, but there are some who I can see are doing what they feel is right for themselves, and time will tell if they are right. In theory I am in favour of the 'vaccine passport' for a limited basis, but I cannot see any logical reason to exclude negative tests from the qualification for this beyond what you say here - it is blackmail/coercion, and it shouldn't happen no matter how valid we feel people's decisions to get vaccinated or not are.
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Post by miltongas on Jul 19, 2021 18:19:43 GMT
The science suggests less will die if the vaccine uptake is very large. Covid will not go away just because we want it to, the Government has probably now realized this, and it looks as though the country will in due course move to a policy of freedoms only for the vaccinated, isolation, job losses and misery for the unvaccinated. Not a desirable outcome but then nothing about Covid is desirable. It will never go away. Partly because it arrived in strange circumstances and nobody knows the truth. It mutates. The vaccine doesn't work well enough to eradicate it. Perfect tool to control people, as we have seen over the past 18 months. It will make a shed load of cash for Pharma and the main online players in retail. What happens if everyone is vaccinated but we still get spikes and waves? Repeat lockdowns? Boosters? Bubbles? Masks forever? Those countries without vaccines will be rid of this before us. Just like malaria. Those countries without the malaria vaccine clearly have lower mortality rates don’t they. Oh hang on, no they don’t. That’s why you have the vaccine before going to malaria risk areas. COVID is currently a potentially fatal disease to all sectors of the population. Hopefully a combination of vaccines and a developed immunity will make it a less dangerous disease. When that happens it could become like the flu - dangerous to a few with underlying health conditions but manageable on the whole for society. But until that happens everyone should do all they can to keep themselves, their family, their friends and everybody else safe. And 90% of scientific research says get the vaccine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 18:20:08 GMT
I’m reminded of this that I saw some time ago on Twitter: "I don't need the vaccine," they said while enjoying life without polio, tetanus, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, rubella, measles, whooping cough, the mumps, smallpox, diphtheria, rabies, rotavirus, pneumococcal disease, HPV, meningococcal disease, shingles and a bunch of 1800s stuff How long did it take them to design, test and deploy vaccines for these? I doubt it was 6 months.
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