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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 19:16:58 GMT
I haven't got any theories. Stop chatting BS. I'm just debating on an open forum. We don't need to all agree but you should try to be polite. In person, your on your backside after that. Cheers. Oh I’d like to see them try. I’m proficient in martial arts, by my reckoning I could beat the crap out of 3 beer bellied Rovers fans on the thatchers terrace at least. At the same time. 😄 👍🏼
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Post by eastgas on Jul 19, 2021 19:20:56 GMT
The numbers of people under the age of 65 with no current underlying medical issues who have died are minuscule. 67% of people currently hospitalised have been double jabbed. Of the population who have the opportunity to be vaccinated, we currently have a rate of around 65% who have taken up that option. I do not dispute COVID, I do not dispute it can cause serious illness and in some circumstances death, and if I was able to be vaccinated I probably would chose to be to protect the more vulnerable but I do everything I can currently, wear mask, social distance and regular testing. But how many of the UK population under 65 have no current underlying medical issues? Although I'm not sure what your point is as if you are happy to wear a mask etc there will be no issue with you attending games at the Mem, although wear a mask will give you little protection. I was only putting across another side to an argument that it is very similar to flu already. My point is mainly because some of the comments I’ve read from people on here regarding people who aren’t vaccinated I’ve found rather disgusting. I do wear a mask in large crowds and always social distance and test, but I fear I will soon not be able to watch football with having a vaccine which currently I can’t have. I think my main issue is just society in general these days. What ever happened to be respectful of others
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 19, 2021 19:24:49 GMT
But to your point about the timelines of scientific development? You have, as have others, called into question the veracity of vaccine development because of the speed of its development and use. You then relate it to Polio etc without any reference to the facilities and the current laboratory environment within scientific research. Yes? Yes. Because there are a few posts on here likening protection against other diseases/illnesses to covid. The vaccine has arrived extremely quickly, is not completely effective and had received emergency sign off. The other vaccines took years to deploy. I haven't read deeply onto it but had a look at the testing criteria a while ago and these things take time. This vaccine will take time too. There were 300 covid vaccines in various stages of testing last time I looked. I can see they are preparing a booster. Whilst people are suffering from side effects and the virus will mutate which will no doubt test the effectiveness further. I doubt virtually every country in the world would sign the vaccines off if they had concerns, as far as effectiveness that's pretty irrelevant as it's better to be, say, 75% protected, than zero protected. As far as side effects they seem no worse than any other vaccine, if you're st at home waitng for one with zero side effects you'll wait for ever. The virus is being allowed to mutate as it's spreading amongst the non vaccinated, so that's another reason to be vaccinated.
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Post by poorblue on Jul 19, 2021 19:29:45 GMT
I have been wearing a mask since we were first asked to do so and I will continue to do so when I want to or until I feel it is ok to stop . I’m not sure why being considerate to others for the common good is now being mocked by some who are calling it “living in fear”, but it needs to stop!!!... When I wear a mask over my nose and mouth in public and in the stores/supermarkets/pharmacies etc - I want you to know the following:
🟣 I'm educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus.
🟣 I don't "live in fear" of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem.
🟣 I don't feel like the "government controls me". I feel like I'm an adult contributing to the security in our society and I want to teach others the same.
🟣 If we could all live with the consideration of others in mind, the whole world would be a much better place.
🟣 Wearing a mask doesn't make me weak, scared, stupid or even "controlled". It makes me caring and responsible.
🟣 When you think about your appearance, discomfort, or other people's opinion of you, imagine a loved one - a child, father, mother, grandparent, aunt, uncle or even a stranger - placed on a ventilator, alone without you or any family member allowed at their bedside.....Ask yourself if you could have helped them a little by wearing a mask.
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Post by oldie on Jul 19, 2021 19:33:01 GMT
But to your point about the timelines of scientific development? You have, as have others, called into question the veracity of vaccine development because of the speed of its development and use. You then relate it to Polio etc without any reference to the facilities and the current laboratory environment within scientific research. Yes? Yes. Because there are a few posts on here likening protection against other diseases/illnesses to covid. The vaccine has arrived extremely quickly, is not completely effective and had received emergency sign off. The other vaccines took years to deploy. I haven't read deeply onto it but had a look at the testing criteria a while ago and these things take time. This vaccine will take time too. There were 300 covid vaccines in various stages of testing last time I looked. I can see they are preparing a booster. Whilst people are suffering from side effects and the virus will mutate which will no doubt test the effectiveness further. So lets deep dive into this. These are the facts around polio (to choose one for comparison) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccineNow, as a baby boomer I had both of those variants whilst at junior school in Knowle. The facilities within which those vaccines were developed are prehistoric compared to whats available now. Hence this timeline "In 1947, Salk accepted a professorship in the School of Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh. It was there that he undertook a project to determine the number of different types of poliovirus, starting in 1948. For the next seven years, Salk devoted himself towards developing a vaccine against polio. Salk was immediately hailed as a "miracle worker" when the vaccine's success was first made public in April 1955" Then later In 1963, Salk founded the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, California, which is today a center for medical and scientific research. He continued to conduct research and publish books in his later years, focusing in his last years on the search for a vaccine against HIV. Salk also campaigned vigorously for mandatory vaccination throughout the rest of his life, calling the universal vaccination of children against disease a "moral commitment" So, going back to your point about timeline as a reason to doubt the current offer for covid, I am sure you can accept the technical facilities available to current researchers? Facilities which would have significantly improved the timelines for that (Polio) vaccine development. The only I knew as a kid growing up in the 50s and 60s is I was unaware of any of my age group contracting polio and dying. Not one. I hope, if you choose not to accept the covid vaccines available to you, you, or your kids, can look back and say the same thing. As Salk said, a moral commitment indeed.
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Post by oldie on Jul 19, 2021 19:34:26 GMT
I have been wearing a mask since we were first asked to do so and I will continue to do so when I want to or until I feel it is ok to stop . I’m not sure why being considerate to others for the common good is now being mocked by some who are calling it “living in fear”, but it needs to stop!!!... When I wear a mask over my nose and mouth in public and in the stores/supermarkets/pharmacies etc - I want you to know the following: 🟣 I'm educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus. 🟣 I don't "live in fear" of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem. 🟣 I don't feel like the "government controls me". I feel like I'm an adult contributing to the security in our society and I want to teach others the same. 🟣 If we could all live with the consideration of others in mind, the whole world would be a much better place. 🟣 Wearing a mask doesn't make me weak, scared, stupid or even "controlled". It makes me caring and responsible. 🟣 When you think about your appearance, discomfort, or other people's opinion of you, imagine a loved one - a child, father, mother, grandparent, aunt, uncle or even a stranger - placed on a ventilator, alone without you or any family member allowed at their bedside.....Ask yourself if you could have helped them a little by wearing a mask. Well said sir
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 19, 2021 19:37:39 GMT
Yes. Because there are a few posts on here likening protection against other diseases/illnesses to covid. The vaccine has arrived extremely quickly, is not completely effective and had received emergency sign off. The other vaccines took years to deploy. I haven't read deeply onto it but had a look at the testing criteria a while ago and these things take time. This vaccine will take time too. There were 300 covid vaccines in various stages of testing last time I looked. I can see they are preparing a booster. Whilst people are suffering from side effects and the virus will mutate which will no doubt test the effectiveness further. I doubt virtually every country in the world would sign the vaccines off if they had concerns, as far as effectiveness that's pretty irrelevant as it's better to be, say, 75% protected, than zero protected. As far as side effects they seem no worse than any other vaccine, if you're st at home waitng for one with zero side effects you'll wait for ever. The virus is being allowed to mutate as it's spreading amongst the non vaccinated, so that's another reason to be vaccinated. Conspiracy, obviously. Microchips. New world order. All that jazz Etc.
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Post by bluebiro on Jul 19, 2021 19:47:27 GMT
Dont think either side will budge on this one. Like ww1 we may need the football to start again in no means land to realise we are one.
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Post by CostaBlancaGas on Jul 19, 2021 19:49:25 GMT
I have been wearing a mask since we were first asked to do so and I will continue to do so when I want to or until I feel it is ok to stop . I’m not sure why being considerate to others for the common good is now being mocked by some who are calling it “living in fear”, but it needs to stop!!!... When I wear a mask over my nose and mouth in public and in the stores/supermarkets/pharmacies etc - I want you to know the following: 🟣 I'm educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus. 🟣 I don't "live in fear" of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem. 🟣 I don't feel like the "government controls me". I feel like I'm an adult contributing to the security in our society and I want to teach others the same. 🟣 If we could all live with the consideration of others in mind, the whole world would be a much better place. 🟣 Wearing a mask doesn't make me weak, scared, stupid or even "controlled". It makes me caring and responsible. 🟣 When you think about your appearance, discomfort, or other people's opinion of you, imagine a loved one - a child, father, mother, grandparent, aunt, uncle or even a stranger - placed on a ventilator, alone without you or any family member allowed at their bedside.....Ask yourself if you could have helped them a little by wearing a mask. Well said sir I went to Knowle Park School between 1964-68. Were you there then?
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Post by RD on Jul 19, 2021 19:52:21 GMT
Given your kids the MMR vaccine, smallpox, polio, or TB? Or are you choosing to risk their lives with those diseases as well? It took them 20+ years to successfully develop a polio vaccine. You really are showing how little knowledge you have about what you're commenting on. Do some basic research on why this has been so quick in comparison (spoiler alert, science has advanced in the last 200 years). Greater - unprecedented - funding A vaccine blueprint developed after a breakthrough for creating a vaccine against Ebola Lots of work already done against Coronaviruses that ceased due to funding issues some time back ALL testing has been undertaken. The biggest difference is the time taken - this is due to the reasons outlined above, which meant far less waiting between stages (for funding etc). It's astonishing how vocal those with absolutely no understanding whatsoever of the subject are prepared to be.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 19, 2021 19:53:03 GMT
Given your kids the MMR vaccine, smallpox, polio, or TB? Or are you choosing to risk their lives with those diseases as well? Feel for his wife and kids, letting the uneducated fool put them in danger by not taking the vaccine. Don’t think there’s any need to talk to me in that manner , everyone else is keeping it friendly and you start lowering the tone, no need for it.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 19, 2021 19:55:33 GMT
I haven't got any theories. Stop chatting BS. I'm just debating on an open forum. We don't need to all agree but you should try to be polite. In person, your on your backside after that. Cheers. Oh I’d like to see them try. I’m proficient in martial arts, by my reckoning I could beat the crap out of 3 beer bellied Rovers fans on the thatchers terrace at least. At the same time. Ark at Chuck Norris here mind
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 19, 2021 19:57:09 GMT
Still dont know what all the fuss is about. Get the jabs and get on with your life. This. You wouldn’t go somewhere where malaria is rife without one. Yeah, but the malaria jab isn’t really a 5G chip which alters your DNA and turns you into a reptilian hybrid is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 19:58:02 GMT
Yes. Because there are a few posts on here likening protection against other diseases/illnesses to covid. The vaccine has arrived extremely quickly, is not completely effective and had received emergency sign off. The other vaccines took years to deploy. I haven't read deeply onto it but had a look at the testing criteria a while ago and these things take time. This vaccine will take time too. There were 300 covid vaccines in various stages of testing last time I looked. I can see they are preparing a booster. Whilst people are suffering from side effects and the virus will mutate which will no doubt test the effectiveness further. So lets deep dive into this. These are the facts around polio (to choose one for comparison) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccineNow, as a baby boomer I had both of those variants whilst at junior school in Knowle. The facilities within which those vaccines were developed are prehistoric compared to whats available now. Hence this timeline "In 1947, Salk accepted a professorship in the School of Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh. It was there that he undertook a project to determine the number of different types of poliovirus, starting in 1948. For the next seven years, Salk devoted himself towards developing a vaccine against polio. Salk was immediately hailed as a "miracle worker" when the vaccine's success was first made public in April 1955" Then later In 1963, Salk founded the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, California, which is today a center for medical and scientific research. He continued to conduct research and publish books in his later years, focusing in his last years on the search for a vaccine against HIV. Salk also campaigned vigorously for mandatory vaccination throughout the rest of his life, calling the universal vaccination of children against disease a "moral commitment" So, going back to your point about timeline as a reason to doubt the current offer for covid, I am sure you can accept the technical facilities available to current researchers? Facilities which would have significantly improved the timelines for that (Polio) vaccine development. The only I knew as a kid growing up in the 50s and 60s is I was unaware of any of my age group contracting polio and dying. Not one. I hope, if you choose not to accept the covid vaccines available to you, you, or your kids, can look back and say the same thing. As Salk said, a moral commitment indeed. Thanks for this. There is more to it than facilities although that is completely valid. I am not a scientist or a doctor btw. These things take time for other reasons such as findings from samples. The scientists will be learning the effects of the vax for a while as the findings come in. Some of these results could take a while to manifest and there will be amendments to the medicine as there are with seasonal flu shots. I did like the words from Salk, but I read that as his commitment, not that of the subjects..
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Post by wertongas on Jul 19, 2021 19:58:15 GMT
Having a double jab, wearing mask in public isn't about yourself it is about consideration for others, and if everyone had that consideration, then the virus wouldn't be rife and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 20:00:55 GMT
It took them 20+ years to successfully develop a polio vaccine. You really are showing how little knowledge you have about what you're commenting on. Do some basic research on why this has been so quick in comparison (spoiler alert, science has advanced in the last 200 years). Greater - unprecedented - funding A vaccine blueprint developed after a breakthrough for creating a vaccine against Ebola Lots of work already done against Coronaviruses that ceased due to funding issues some time back ALL testing has been undertaken. The biggest difference is the time taken - this is due to the reasons outlined above, which meant far less waiting between stages (for funding etc). It's astonishing how vocal those with absolutely no understanding whatsoever of the subject are prepared to be. It took them 20+ years to successfully develop the polio vaccine. This was in response to someone mentioning polio. It got emergency sign off. So...if there wasn't a pandemic, it wouldnt have been deployed so soon. I'm only vocal because of people like you. If you stopped being a forum hero, I'd probably go away.
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Post by RD on Jul 19, 2021 20:04:52 GMT
You really are showing how little knowledge you have about what you're commenting on. Do some basic research on why this has been so quick in comparison (spoiler alert, science has advanced in the last 200 years). Greater - unprecedented - funding A vaccine blueprint developed after a breakthrough for creating a vaccine against Ebola Lots of work already done against Coronaviruses that ceased due to funding issues some time back ALL testing has been undertaken. The biggest difference is the time taken - this is due to the reasons outlined above, which meant far less waiting between stages (for funding etc). It's astonishing how vocal those with absolutely no understanding whatsoever of the subject are prepared to be. It took them 20+ years to successfully develop the polio vaccine. This was in response to someone mentioning polio. It got emergency sign off. So...if there wasn't a pandemic, it wouldnt have been deployed so soon. I'm only vocal because of people like you. If you stopped being a forum hero, I'd probably go away. And if you stopped risking lives, by spreading completely misguided nonsense, I would go away.
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Post by Big Jock on Jul 19, 2021 20:12:57 GMT
#FreeBritney
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Post by axegas on Jul 19, 2021 20:22:35 GMT
Feel for his wife and kids, letting the uneducated fool put them in danger by not taking the vaccine. Don’t think there’s any need to talk to me in that manner , everyone else is keeping it friendly and you start lowering the tone, no need for it. Might have to check with the other mods but I believe both GGMI and Shawyblue have now been banned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 20:25:10 GMT
It took them 20+ years to successfully develop the polio vaccine. This was in response to someone mentioning polio. It got emergency sign off. So...if there wasn't a pandemic, it wouldnt have been deployed so soon. I'm only vocal because of people like you. If you stopped being a forum hero, I'd probably go away. And if you stopped risking lives, by spreading completely misguided nonsense, I would go away. Ok I'll stop. Bye.
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