Covid Passports and Masks will be required at matches

As I’ve said I’m not anti vaccine or a COVID denier, but there seems to be a lot of people at the extreme ends of the scale. I think a bit of balance is needed.
The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. This was pulled from the previous article regarding vaccine deaths, the exact same could be said for COVID deaths. The COVID death total also includes deaths registered from someone who has died, from any cause, but has tested positive in the last 28 days. That seems to be a very selective way of registering COVID deaths to me

Not government statistics, no, the statistics the media have been putting out most definitely. The office for national statistics data sheets are available to view, in a lot more detail, and it quickly becomes apparent that the media have pushed a higher figure. Im not trying to argue for any side of the argument, I just don’t like to see people use extremes to argue one point against another

You don't generally get a positive test and drop down dead you know. Most hospitalisations happen around 10 days in e.g. 10 days after your positive test. So really, its within 2 weeks of being hospitalised generally which is fair game to be counted. Excess deaths show clearly the issue, unless you think that all of these comorbidities got together and decided to all kick off at the same time.

I don’t believe the vaccination works, not that it’s causing it.
Easy to compare figures mate.
A simple bar graph you can slide along in no time.
Glad you think the numbers are funny because they are government released figures and tells me that you don’t believe me.
There for all to see if you can be bothered, I’m sure you can as you’ve bothered to argue.
I await your apology sir.
As stated, only allowed to publish the so called truth.

4th July last summer we opened up.
Boris among many many ministers have always said we will not be implementing COVID passports.
More lies.

Lost me there.
You taking into account that there wasn’t any where near as much testing a year ago?
Not sure your point.
I’d love to know the figure on double dosed deaths.
Point me in the right direction.

I'm not at all surprised I lost you there. Exquisite example of cognitive dissonance. You and I are using the same numbers, you just stopped before accounting for all the variables.

Look, simply, infections are 60 times higher now than they were on the 30th July 2020.

Back then you had 16 deaths a day 7 day average. So if the vaccine had no effect you'd expect to see 60 times that 16 on the 30th July this year. You'd expect to see 960 deaths a day. Let's even assume that because testing was lower, only half of positive cases were accounted for if you like, go ahead and halve that number why not - 480 deaths a day. But we won't see that will we? Not even anywhere close to that. Why? Whats changed?

I'll tell you whats changed. Jeff Bezos is now an astronaut.

You have issued a warning to people on behalf of the mods not to post anti vax information.
That in itself kills the debate because you guys are deciding what is anti vax and what is opinion. Whilst delivering the various bits of info from both sides, the petty jibes only come from one side of the argument.

All I see is you in particular being rude to fellow posters who aren’t allowed to respond through worry of being barred.

It is a forum where most stuff labelled as factual can be argued and picked apart anyway.

I'll do you and your little mob of hitlers a favour and leave. No hard feelings at all but it's not healthy to see moderators launching personal attacks on people just because the topic is a touchy one.

Adios.

Says he doesn't like personal attacks... calls people Hitler.

Seems legit.