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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 15, 2021 23:35:43 GMT
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Post by axegas on Aug 15, 2021 23:48:45 GMT
Massive respect for this.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 16, 2021 4:06:36 GMT
Just a general question on this - Ok, not a PC comment to make I know..but would this have happened under Trump's watch? 20 years of fighting and many lives lost, and Biden creates this mess.Im not saying the withdrawal is totally his fault, but the way we have just let these thugs take over Kabul is shocking. Weak..pure Weak leadership.Never would have happened under Trump,but he was of course the man that was going to start WW3!! But Biden was the man that let a bunch of thugs undo 20 years of hard work and loss of life and pussed out to bully's. It's just sheer double standards and hypocrisy Icegas. I know it's a whole different subject completely but just like the 'cages' on the Mexican border, it was Obama's administration wuth Biden as Vice president who built them in the 1st place, but Trump got the brunt of it and the backlash. Again here, Biden is getting a free pass as he is only 'following Trumps plan to withdraw. It seems as though certain people just make it up to suit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 5:22:29 GMT
It's been a roaring success for the US, $2.5 trillion dollars spent on military.
1 billion dollars is invested in the US (Wall Street) every day by world nations, war is one of the few ways left to make a return on that money.
Also, were are the brave UK troops now? Delivering grocerys to supermarkets?
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 16, 2021 7:22:04 GMT
Just a general question on this - Ok, not a PC comment to make I know..but would this have happened under Trump's watch? 20 years of fighting and many lives lost, and Biden creates this mess.Im not saying the withdrawal is totally his fault, but the way we have just let these thugs take over Kabul is shocking. Weak..pure Weak leadership.Never would have happened under Trump,but he was of course the man that was going to start WW3!! But Biden was the man that let a bunch of thugs undo 20 years of hard work and loss of life and pussed out to bully's. It's just sheer double standards and hypocrisy Icegas. I know it's a whole different subject completely but just like the 'cages' on the Mexican border, it was Obama's administration wuth Biden as Vice president who built them in the 1st place, but Trump got the brunt of it and the backlash. Again here, Biden is getting a free pass as he is only 'following Trumps plan to withdraw. It seems as though certain people just make it up to suit. I'm not giving Biden a free pass, personally I feel this is a resigning matter. |
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 16, 2021 7:42:07 GMT
It's just sheer double standards and hypocrisy Icegas. I know it's a whole different subject completely but just like the 'cages' on the Mexican border, it was Obama's administration wuth Biden as Vice president who built them in the 1st place, but Trump got the brunt of it and the backlash. Again here, Biden is getting a free pass as he is only 'following Trumps plan to withdraw. It seems as though certain people just make it up to suit. I'm not giving Biden a free pass, personally I feel this is a resigning matter. It is obivious that despite training and arming 300k,the Afghan Army for whatever reason will not stand against the Taliban,even though they are supported by American Air Power. So what next? Do we just turn our backs or go back in,I cannot see the latter so there will be a wringing of hands,weasel words but ultimately head under the duvet. The bigger question ,is why would we go back,we may find the Taliban abhorrent however,is this an Internal matter ?,do we have the moral right to overthrow regimes that we believe are abhorrent to our Western Values?. |
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Post by baggins on Aug 16, 2021 8:05:57 GMT
It's been a roaring success for the US, $2.5 trillion dollars spent on military. 1 billion dollars is invested in the US (Wall Street) every day by world nations, war is one of the few ways left to make a return on that money. Also, were are the brave UK troops now? Delivering grocerys to supermarkets? Not sure the families of the 2400 killed and 20,000 injured would see it quite like that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 16, 2021 8:29:51 GMT
I'm not giving Biden a free pass, personally I feel this is a resigning matter. It is obivious that despite training and arming 300k,the Afghan Army for whatever reason will not stand against the Taliban,even though they are supported by American Air Power. So what next? Do we just turn our backs or go back in,I cannot see the latter so there will be a wringing of hands,weasel words but ultimately head under the duvet. The bigger question ,is why would we go back,we may find the Taliban abhorrent however,is this an Internal matter ?,do we have the moral right to overthrow regimes that we believe are abhorrent to our Western Values?. They need coalition airpower, logistics and money. The Taliban weren't overthrown because they were abhorrent, they were forced out because the US were after bin Laden. Had they given him up, which they wouldn't do for various reasons including the Pashtun code. The Doha deal means they are obliged to prevent such organisations finding a base in the country. If they renege on that, it will cause US intervention, via Special Forces and air strikes (no conventional stuff). The US won't if they 'just' kill Afghans or suppress women. |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 16, 2021 8:33:10 GMT
You’ve gotta laugh , claiming Trump would of done any better 😂 . It was his bloody plan that his signed and they’d of been out a few months before it he’d had his way .
As for saying he sorted things out in North Korea, it’s gets more bizarre by the minute.
Biden is at fault for FOLLOWING TRUMPS PLAN.
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 16, 2021 8:40:19 GMT
It is obivious that despite training and arming 300k,the Afghan Army for whatever reason will not stand against the Taliban,even though they are supported by American Air Power. So what next? Do we just turn our backs or go back in,I cannot see the latter so there will be a wringing of hands,weasel words but ultimately head under the duvet. The bigger question ,is why would we go back,we may find the Taliban abhorrent however,is this an Internal matter ?,do we have the moral right to overthrow regimes that we believe are abhorrent to our Western Values?. They need coalition airpower, logistics and money. The Taliban weren't overthrown because they were abhorrent, they were forced out because the US were after bin Laden. Had they given him up, which they wouldn't do for various reasons including the Pashtun code. The Doha deal means they are obliged to prevent such organisations finding a base in the country. If they renege on that, it will cause US intervention, via Special Forces and air strikes (no conventional stuff). The US won't if they 'just' kill Afghans or suppress women. Sort of agree,I tend to think that the US could have got Bin Laden without going into Afghanistan, it was to good an opportunity to miss to clear out what they believed was a breeding ground for terrorism post 9/11,disrupt the Opium trade and Bush needed to be seen to do something. |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 16, 2021 8:43:26 GMT
TRAGIC FACT: Last year, Trump and Pompeo freed 5000 Taliban fighters in exchange for a 3 month cease-fire to help his failin' presidential campaign.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Aug 16, 2021 8:56:58 GMT
TRAGIC FACT: Last year, Trump and Pompeo freed 5000 Taliban fighters in exchange for a 3 month cease-fire to help his failin' presidential campaign. Those Taliban fighters then voted for Biden as well, couldn’t make it up! |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 16, 2021 9:16:21 GMT
Just a general question on this - Ok, not a PC comment to make I know..but would this have happened under Trump's watch? 20 years of fighting and many lives lost, and Biden creates this mess.Im not saying the withdrawal is totally his fault, but the way we have just let these thugs take over Kabul is shocking. Weak..pure Weak leadership.Never would have happened under Trump,but he was of course the man that was going to start WW3!! But Biden was the man that let a bunch of thugs undo 20 years of hard work and loss of life and pussed out to bully's. It's just sheer double standards and hypocrisy Icegas. I know it's a whole different subject completely but just like the 'cages' on the Mexican border, it was Obama's administration wuth Biden as Vice president who built them in the 1st place, but Trump got the brunt of it and the backlash. Again here, Biden is getting a free pass as he is only 'following Trumps plan to withdraw. It seems as though certain people just make it up to suit. Apart from the fact my first post on this was to say that Biden & Johnson had royally f…cked up . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 10:40:47 GMT
It's been a roaring success for the US, $2.5 trillion dollars spent on military. 1 billion dollars is invested in the US (Wall Street) every day by world nations, war is one of the few ways left to make a return on that money. Also, were are the brave UK troops now? Delivering grocerys to supermarkets? Not sure the families of the 2400 killed and 20,000 injured would see it quite like that. And the families of the 70,000 dead Afghan civilians. |
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Post by baggins on Aug 16, 2021 10:45:03 GMT
Not sure the families of the 2400 killed and 20,000 injured would see it quite like that. And the families of the 70,000 dead Afghan civilians. Hardly a roaring success for anyone then. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 11:04:55 GMT
And the families of the 70,000 dead Afghan civilians. Hardly a roaring success for anyone then. Like I said, if you invest in companies that build weapons you'd be very happy. |
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Post by baggins on Aug 16, 2021 11:10:46 GMT
Hardly a roaring success for anyone then. Like I said, if you invest in companies that build weapons you'd be very happy. And like I said, not for the dead left behind. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2021 11:24:30 GMT
TRAGIC FACT: Last year, Trump and Pompeo freed 5000 Taliban fighters in exchange for a 3 month cease-fire to help his failin' presidential campaign. I had to laugh Yatton when the usual suspects come out from under a stone and make totally inaccurate statements about Trump. He started this fiasco, as you rightly say for electoral reasons. Claiming regularly that the troops he was bringing back was the "Peace" dividend. He granted the Taliban a degree of moral authority by making pledges to them, they just sat back, pretended to take part in negotiations, whilst the whole thing unravelled. They took Kabul without a fight and now have ownership of all the hardware the Americans gave to Afghanistan. This is worse than Vietnam. Lets hope we finally learn our lesson and dont do invading other countries again, for purely political and economic gain. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2021 11:35:20 GMT
TRAGIC FACT: Last year, Trump and Pompeo freed 5000 Taliban fighters in exchange for a 3 month cease-fire to help his failin' presidential campaign. I had to laugh Yatton when the usual suspects come out from under a stone and make totally inaccurate statements about Trump. He started this fiasco, as you rightly say for electoral reasons. Claiming regularly that the troops he was bringing back was the "Peace" dividend. He granted the Taliban a degree of moral authority by making pledges to them, they just sat back, pretended to take part in negotiations, whilst the whole thing unravelled. They took Kabul without a fight and now have ownership of all the hardware the Americans gave to Afghanistan. This is worse than Vietnam. Lets hope we finally learn our lesson and dont do invading other countries again, for purely political and economic gain. Lol at 'peace dividend'. Utter fools that worship trump, biden and the rest of the war mongers whilst pretending nothing awful is happening. Cowards & idiots. |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 16, 2021 11:51:18 GMT
TRAGIC FACT: Last year, Trump and Pompeo freed 5000 Taliban fighters in exchange for a 3 month cease-fire to help his failin' presidential campaign. I had to laugh Yatton when the usual suspects come out from under a stone and make totally inaccurate statements about Trump. He started this fiasco, as you rightly say for electoral reasons. Claiming regularly that the troops he was bringing back was the "Peace" dividend. He granted the Taliban a degree of moral authority by making pledges to them, they just sat back, pretended to take part in negotiations, whilst the whole thing unravelled. They took Kabul without a fight and now have ownership of all the hardware the Americans gave to Afghanistan. This is worse than Vietnam. Lets hope we finally learn our lesson and dont do invading other countries again, for purely political and economic gain. The usual suspects. 🙄 |
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