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Post by yattongas on Aug 16, 2021 11:56:03 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Aug 16, 2021 11:58:46 GMT
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Post by baggins on Aug 16, 2021 12:05:42 GMT
Wonderful and positive thing to do? Bloke's certifiable. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 16, 2021 12:15:32 GMT
TRAGIC FACT: Last year, Trump and Pompeo freed 5000 Taliban fighters in exchange for a 3 month cease-fire to help his failin' presidential campaign. I had to laugh Yatton when the usual suspects come out from under a stone and make totally inaccurate statements about Trump. He started this fiasco, as you rightly say for electoral reasons. Claiming regularly that the troops he was bringing back was the "Peace" dividend. He granted the Taliban a degree of moral authority by making pledges to them, they just sat back, pretended to take part in negotiations, whilst the whole thing unravelled. They took Kabul without a fight and now have ownership of all the hardware the Americans gave to Afghanistan. This is worse than Vietnam. Lets hope we finally learn our lesson and dont do invading other countries again, for purely political and economic gain. Largely agree, I'd also hope that if and when we are committed in the future, that it is properly resourced and planned out rather than the underresourced, half hearted idiocy that undermined us from 2006 or that we don't leave too early for political and economic reasons. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2021 14:02:46 GMT
I had to laugh Yatton when the usual suspects come out from under a stone and make totally inaccurate statements about Trump. He started this fiasco, as you rightly say for electoral reasons. Claiming regularly that the troops he was bringing back was the "Peace" dividend. He granted the Taliban a degree of moral authority by making pledges to them, they just sat back, pretended to take part in negotiations, whilst the whole thing unravelled. They took Kabul without a fight and now have ownership of all the hardware the Americans gave to Afghanistan. This is worse than Vietnam. Lets hope we finally learn our lesson and dont do invading other countries again, for purely political and economic gain. Largely agree, I'd also hope that if and when we are committed in the future, that it is properly resourced and planned out rather than the underresourced, half hearted idiocy that undermined us from 2006 or that we don't leave too early for political and economic reasons. I know we disagree a little over these issues Stuart, because I cannot see any circumstance whereby we should be invading countries. Especially those like Afghanistan, after we, the West, caused the problem in the first place by arming Bin Laden and his Wahabbi lunatics to fight the Russians. No thoughts, ever, for the local populations. Sickening. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 16, 2021 14:17:31 GMT
Largely agree, I'd also hope that if and when we are committed in the future, that it is properly resourced and planned out rather than the underresourced, half hearted idiocy that undermined us from 2006 or that we don't leave too early for political and economic reasons. I know we disagree a little over these issues Stuart, because I cannot see any circumstance whereby we should be invading countries. Especially those like Afghanistan, after we, the West, caused the problem in the first place by arming Bin Laden and his Wahabbi lunatics to fight the Russians. No thoughts, ever, for the local populations. Sickening. As far as I understand it, Bin Laden wasn't supplied by the West, the vast majority of his money and arms were supplied by the Gulf States and Pakistan. |
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Post by axegas on Aug 16, 2021 15:13:01 GMT
It’ll be the Taliban’s relation with IS-KP (Islamic State Khorosan province) that western intelligence will be watching now. Previously, the Taliban and IS have been in competition. Principally over illicit streams to fund their guerrilla warfare, kind of like two rival criminal gangs encroaching on each other’s territory. The two groups fought a fair bit, with the Taliban even being backed by the Americans at one point.
However now the Taliban have the keys to the castle. If they want to raise money, they can tax citizens. Rural drug stashes mean less to them now.
IS-KP is led by former Taliban commanders and follow a similar agenda of extreme Islamist ideas and Sharia law with one or two differences. So it’s not hard to see them work closely with the Taliban, similar to the Haqqani network.
What’s worse for the west is that 1000s of Islamist extremists have been released from Afghan jails since the Taliban advance and Al-Qaeda are supposedly still active within the country.
Terrorists operate by new methods these days. The internet is used as an effective tool to radicalise people 1000s of miles away. Whilst this isn’t a new threat, you’d imagine it will be an increased one now that Afghanistan acts like a magnet for Islamist extremists all over the world.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 16, 2021 16:07:18 GMT
It’ll be the Taliban’s relation with IS-KP (Islamic State Khorosan province) that western intelligence will be watching now. Previously, the Taliban and IS have been in competition. Principally over illicit streams to fund their guerrilla warfare, kind of like two rival criminal gangs encroaching on each other’s territory. The two groups fought a fair bit, with the Taliban even being backed by the Americans at one point. However now the Taliban have the keys to the castle. If they want to raise money, they can tax citizens. Rural drug stashes mean less to them now. IS-KP is led by former Taliban commanders and follow a similar agenda of extreme Islamist ideas and Sharia law with one or two differences. So it’s not hard to see them work closely with the Taliban, similar to the Haqqani network. What’s worse for the west is that 1000s of Islamist extremists have been released from Afghan jails since the Taliban advance and Al-Qaeda are supposedly still active within the country. Terrorists operate by new methods these days. The internet is used as an effective tool to radicalise people 1000s of miles away. Whilst this isn’t a new threat, you’d imagine it will be an increased one now that Afghanistan acts like a magnet for Islamist extremists all over the world. Yep al qaeda will be allowed to set up their terrorist training camps again . As long as the war lords of the taliban can sell their heroin they’ll be happy . Absolute sh.. show that we’ll all pay the price for in the long run . How the hell some of the right wing ghouls have the nerve to come on here and say Trump would of done better is a f…ing joke . |
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2021 16:24:52 GMT
It’ll be the Taliban’s relation with IS-KP (Islamic State Khorosan province) that western intelligence will be watching now. Previously, the Taliban and IS have been in competition. Principally over illicit streams to fund their guerrilla warfare, kind of like two rival criminal gangs encroaching on each other’s territory. The two groups fought a fair bit, with the Taliban even being backed by the Americans at one point. However now the Taliban have the keys to the castle. If they want to raise money, they can tax citizens. Rural drug stashes mean less to them now. IS-KP is led by former Taliban commanders and follow a similar agenda of extreme Islamist ideas and Sharia law with one or two differences. So it’s not hard to see them work closely with the Taliban, similar to the Haqqani network. What’s worse for the west is that 1000s of Islamist extremists have been released from Afghan jails since the Taliban advance and Al-Qaeda are supposedly still active within the country. Terrorists operate by new methods these days. The internet is used as an effective tool to radicalise people 1000s of miles away. Whilst this isn’t a new threat, you’d imagine it will be an increased one now that Afghanistan acts like a magnet for Islamist extremists all over the world. Yep al qaeda will be allowed to set up their terrorist training camps again . As long as the war lords of the taliban can sell their heroin they’ll be happy . Absolute sh.. show that we’ll all pay the price for in the long run . How the hell some of the right wing ghouls have the nerve to come on here and say Trump would of done better is a f…ing joke . Right wing Ghouls....made me laugh |
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2021 16:26:12 GMT
It’ll be the Taliban’s relation with IS-KP (Islamic State Khorosan province) that western intelligence will be watching now. Previously, the Taliban and IS have been in competition. Principally over illicit streams to fund their guerrilla warfare, kind of like two rival criminal gangs encroaching on each other’s territory. The two groups fought a fair bit, with the Taliban even being backed by the Americans at one point. However now the Taliban have the keys to the castle. If they want to raise money, they can tax citizens. Rural drug stashes mean less to them now. IS-KP is led by former Taliban commanders and follow a similar agenda of extreme Islamist ideas and Sharia law with one or two differences. So it’s not hard to see them work closely with the Taliban, similar to the Haqqani network. What’s worse for the west is that 1000s of Islamist extremists have been released from Afghan jails since the Taliban advance and Al-Qaeda are supposedly still active within the country. Terrorists operate by new methods these days. The internet is used as an effective tool to radicalise people 1000s of miles away. Whilst this isn’t a new threat, you’d imagine it will be an increased one now that Afghanistan acts like a magnet for Islamist extremists all over the world. A lot of knowledge brought out in that post Axegas...how come if I may be rude enough to ask? |
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Post by axegas on Aug 16, 2021 16:42:48 GMT
It’ll be the Taliban’s relation with IS-KP (Islamic State Khorosan province) that western intelligence will be watching now. Previously, the Taliban and IS have been in competition. Principally over illicit streams to fund their guerrilla warfare, kind of like two rival criminal gangs encroaching on each other’s territory. The two groups fought a fair bit, with the Taliban even being backed by the Americans at one point. However now the Taliban have the keys to the castle. If they want to raise money, they can tax citizens. Rural drug stashes mean less to them now. IS-KP is led by former Taliban commanders and follow a similar agenda of extreme Islamist ideas and Sharia law with one or two differences. So it’s not hard to see them work closely with the Taliban, similar to the Haqqani network. What’s worse for the west is that 1000s of Islamist extremists have been released from Afghan jails since the Taliban advance and Al-Qaeda are supposedly still active within the country. Terrorists operate by new methods these days. The internet is used as an effective tool to radicalise people 1000s of miles away. Whilst this isn’t a new threat, you’d imagine it will be an increased one now that Afghanistan acts like a magnet for Islamist extremists all over the world. A lot of knowledge brought out in that post Axegas...how come if I may be rude enough to ask? Just a casual interest in the situation mate. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 16, 2021 16:44:14 GMT
A lot of knowledge brought out in that post Axegas...how come if I may be rude enough to ask? Just a casual interest in the situation mate. Respect Nice one. |
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Post by peterparker on Aug 17, 2021 6:18:26 GMT
Biden's speech was something.
Basically amounted to "We didn't give up on them, they gave up on us"
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Post by yattongas on Aug 17, 2021 6:57:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 9:02:04 GMT
"By 2014, Afghanistan was producing three times as much opium as it did in 2000. By 2015, Afghanistan was the source of 90 percent of the world’s opium poppy.
This happened while US military was 'guarding' opium fields"
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Am sure most people know about the booming US opioid crises the last 10 years or so.
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Post by francegas on Aug 17, 2021 9:03:06 GMT
I'm no Trump supporter but hasn't Biden had 8 months to reverse the decision to withdraw troops. |
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 17, 2021 9:12:16 GMT
I'm no Trump supporter but hasn't Biden had 8 months to reverse the decision to withdraw troops. He has and his justification for execute the decision is puerile and not worthy of an American President. |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 17, 2021 9:19:00 GMT
I'm no Trump supporter but hasn't Biden had 8 months to reverse the decision to withdraw troops. Easier said than done apparently. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 17, 2021 9:24:16 GMT
I'm no Trump supporter but hasn't Biden had 8 months to reverse the decision to withdraw troops. He did. But that would not have had the support of the American people who he represents. In those circumstances, what do you expect him to do? By the time he came to power Trump had authorised the release of 1000s of Taliban combatants, imagine saying to the American public, I am sending back the forces that President Trump withdrew as part of his peace dividend (stop laughing at the back) to fight the combatants that President Trump released. Real vote winner that. I note that yesterday that our defence secretary, whilst saying he thought Biden's timing was wrong, lay the origins of this cluster f**k directly at Trumps door. Of course it goes way back from that to the 1970s and the overthrow of a western supported monarchy by a communist regime and our support of Bin Laden in fighting that regime and the Russians who supported it. Moat Brits didnt know where Afghanistan was in the 1970s |
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Post by baggins on Aug 17, 2021 12:22:18 GMT
I'm no expert, but listening to Biden's speach yesterday, $1 trillion Dollars, $300 billion on support for the Afgan security forces including paying all their salaries, fighter maintenance, weapons, and it still doesn't work.
What's going on over there now is horrendous, but where do you draw the line?
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