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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 18:49:38 GMT
Look at your young men fighting Look at your women crying Look at your young men dying The way they've always done before Look at the hate we're breeding Look at the fear we're feeding Look at the lives we're leading The way we've always done before
I don't need your civil war It feeds the rich while it buries the poor Your power hungry sellin' soldiers In a human grocery store Ain't that fresh I don't need your civil war Ow, oh no, no, no, no, no
What’s so civil about war anyway?
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Post by poorblue on Aug 20, 2021 19:05:54 GMT
The club purchased the land at Almondsbury on the 3rd February 2017. I would suggest the meeting Wael has referred to in November 2017 could well have agreed to put the £50k into that project. It still seems odd to me to agree to pay £50K into a project which was showing no signs of starting at that time. Although everything seems odd about the relationship between the club and the SC/PC.But there is no relationship between SC and PE except of course both use BRFC name
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Post by poorblue on Aug 20, 2021 19:12:12 GMT
Wael's letter mentions a meeting on the 2nd November 2017 at which it was agreed proposed to hand the £50k over- this obviously is at odds with the comments from the supporters club earlier in the week. If such an agreement was made then it was obviously recorded somewhere - possibly with signed minutes of the meeting - and so should be easy to show either way. corrected that for you. Both parties seem to suggest and agree that a formal agreement was never actually signed. SC offered, nothing signed, and 4 years later Wael asked for the offer to be handed over, SC refuse as they claim conditions of the offer are nor met?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 20, 2021 19:25:39 GMT
Look at your young men fighting Look at your women crying Look at your young men dying The way they've always done before Look at the hate we're breeding Look at the fear we're feeding Look at the lives we're leading The way we've always done before I don't need your civil war It feeds the rich while it buries the poor Your power hungry sellin' soldiers In a human grocery store Ain't that fresh I don't need your civil war Ow, oh no, no, no, no, no What’s so civil about war anyway? young?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 19:28:40 GMT
What a sad state of affairs…. A supporters club should aligned with supporting the club they are affiliated to, remaining independent and with a voice to hold the club to account, but always in a constructive and collaborative manner….
it’s clear to me that for whatever reason the SC leadership has fallen away from this overarching principle and these one or 2 strong voices have now completely alienated the majority who do do all of the fantastic work and with the right intentions….
This is why I think now is time for a new supporters club to form with a new mandate working with and alongside the club - not against it….
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Post by cagastrophy on Aug 20, 2021 20:19:06 GMT
Taking away a 50/50 fund raising draw organised by SC since 1996 is being used to stop the SC having any way of sustainability. Taking this stance and asking volunteers to continue selling programmes but presumably not as representatives of the SC is another way of causing a rift. The SC needs to be independent and if they feel something within the Football Club is not in the interests of the fans then they should be able to approach the club with constructive criticism. Reporting the owner to the EFL is also a good way of causing a rift. Ignoring it could have been detrimental too
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 20:24:25 GMT
Thanks Wael for this and other open letters, much appreciated.
The supporters club, thanks to a couple of individuals is no longer fit for purpose and serves as an embarrassment to many genuine supporters.
If they don't walk away then remove their privileges and work with all the decent members to give us a supporters club we can be proud of and represents its members in an appropriate and up to date manner.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 20, 2021 20:34:59 GMT
Reporting the owner to the EFL is also a good way of causing a rift. Ignoring it could have been detrimental too Only if there was good reason. That reason(s) has not been declared to the fanbase or to the board itself. The fact the EFL dismissed it shows it was utterly baseless and nothing more than an ego driven quest to besmirch the owners. Otherwise, especially given the misrepresentative press releases we have had to endure since the Masters epitaph, the SC would have been delighted to release something that would have put a black mark against the owner or the clubs board. I got pelters on both forums and Facebook for saying the behaviour was cancerous. And this is rather proving my point.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 20, 2021 21:07:19 GMT
Ignoring it could have been detrimental too Only if there was good reason. That reason(s) has not been declared to the fanbase or to the board itself. The fact the EFL dismissed it shows it was utterly baseless and nothing more than an ego driven quest to besmirch the owners. Otherwise, especially given the misrepresentative press releases we have had to endure since the Masters epitaph, the SC would have been delighted to release something that would have put a black mark against the owner or the clubs board. I got pelters on both forums and Facebook for saying the behaviour was cancerous. And this is rather proving my point. Nothing but a small pack of self serving gargoyles. I’m sure they wake up every morning most proud of themselves, how they can be so blind to the devastation they have caused Bristol Rovers Supporters Club is actually quite incredible.
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Post by giles on Aug 20, 2021 21:15:15 GMT
I am not on either side here and this is a genuine question …. If you disband the SC what happens to the shares and who decides?
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Post by Jomo on Aug 20, 2021 21:18:27 GMT
I'm quite confused as to why this rift has even happened in the first place. Evidently the SC have gripes, but I can't see why, beyond the assumption that they simply don't like the fact that they became more irrelevant once the Al Qadi's took over?
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 20, 2021 21:45:42 GMT
The clue was post Lee Brown’s winning goal, when JC wasted no time in slating the then new owners for not hosting an Open Top bus parade. For finishing third.
Then of course there was the sly dig at Wael for joining the celebrating Gasheads on Gloucester Road AND taking his opportunity to inform us that it was infact ‘Nick’s team that were promoted’.
Whatever problem Chappell has with Wael started from the very first day, perhaps even prior.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 21:50:24 GMT
Wael's letter mentions a meeting on the 2nd November 2017 at which it was agreed proposed to hand the £50k over- this obviously is at odds with the comments from the supporters club earlier in the week. If such an agreement was made then it was obviously recorded somewhere - possibly with signed minutes of the meeting - and so should be easy to show either way. corrected that for you. Both parties seem to suggest and agree that a formal agreement was never actually signed. SC offered, nothing signed, and 4 years later Wael asked for the offer to be handed over, SC refuse as they claim conditions of the offer are nor met? So the SC were just content to keep the £50K in their bank account, what good was that serving either party?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 21:51:34 GMT
I am not on either side here and this is a genuine question …. If you disband the SC what happens to the shares and who decides? Ultimately Wael will decide what happens to the shares as they cannot be transferred to a new owner with out his/the boards permission. The shares are actually held in the names of individuals of the SC committee and not the SC as it wan't legally possible for the SC to own them.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 21:57:22 GMT
I am not on either side here and this is a genuine question …. If you disband the SC what happens to the shares and who decides? The only people who can disband the SC are the committee? Although if they are banned from the ground etc what function will they serve in the future? If was a committee member I'd be now calling for a vote of no confidence in the chairman, in the hope that they could retrieve matters before it was too late.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 22:01:57 GMT
I'm quite confused as to why this rift has even happened in the first place. Evidently the SC have gripes, but I can't see why, beyond the assumption that they simply don't like the fact that they became more irrelevant once the Al Qadi's took over? I sense it's mistrust even this week posters on the other forum were suggesting JC should keep the money to save the club for when Wael quits and leaves us debt ridden.
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Post by giles on Aug 20, 2021 22:03:15 GMT
I am not on either side here and this is a genuine question …. If you disband the SC what happens to the shares and who decides? Ultimately Wael will decide what happens to the shares as they cannot be transferred to a new owner with out his/the boards permission. The shares are actually held in the names of individuals of the SC committee and not the SC as it wan't legally possible for the SC to own them. Thanks. It seems all these calls to transfer to the Community Trust can come to nothing. If fans are not happy with the SC they need to step forward to join the committee and exert some influence rather than griping all the time.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 20, 2021 22:11:57 GMT
How many members do the SC actually have
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Post by aghast on Aug 20, 2021 22:14:47 GMT
How many members do the SC actually have Don't start that.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 20, 2021 22:17:54 GMT
How many members do the SC actually have Don't start that. Ah, sorry. Innocent mistake. It was a genuine question dudnt realise there was some history there?
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