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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2021 22:52:30 GMT
i know a minority of fans are anti barton You're joking right? I spoke with people sat at the same table as Wael today and even some of those were anti Barton and that was before the game.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Aug 21, 2021 22:53:12 GMT
The guy has basically had half a season and won 4 games!!!! Worse than Garner FFS. I hate all this give him 10/15 games bollocks. He’s had more than that! yeah have a think back and tell me, other than DC, when has giving a failing manager 10 games EVER worked? Ever?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 0:06:59 GMT
look what he did a fleetwood for a start we have a whole new team its going to take a little time hes an amazing coach and manager be patient look at paul cook same thing struggling at the moment but will be there or there abouts salford as well were 4 games in ffs remember us in the confrence we were Dam sh** for 1st 8-10 games then we took off Tell us what he did at Fleetwood. Please. He took a club (that had one year before he got the job made the playoffs) from mid table to playoffs on points per game with double the budget. Eventually their owner had enough of the knob and sacked him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 0:19:56 GMT
Hopefully the remainder of the transfer window will be fruitful, ill give him a few more games after that to turn it properly around but cant afford many more drummings.
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 22, 2021 0:27:25 GMT
I am running out of patience as well now , as you all know I have always backed JB but the football I have witnessed so far this season is the worst I’ve seen and today , well , just Sunday league. I don’t see things turning around for him at present , I am also sick to the back teeth of his interviews , he talks out of his arse !!! I’m willing to give him a few more games and that’s that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 0:30:36 GMT
Hopefully the remainder of the transfer window will be fruitful, ill give him a few more games after that to turn it properly around but cant afford many more drummings. If (as suggested) we sign a 36 and 37 years old…we’ve got massive problems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 0:33:55 GMT
Hopefully the remainder of the transfer window will be fruitful, ill give him a few more games after that to turn it properly around but cant afford many more drummings. If (as suggested) we sign a 36 and 37 years old…we’ve got massive problems. who are we linked with? Havent seen any names myself yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 0:35:10 GMT
If (as suggested) we sign a 36 and 37 years old…we’ve got massive problems. who are we linked with? Havent seen any names myself yet. Glenn Whelan and Leon Clarke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 0:49:24 GMT
who are we linked with? Havent seen any names myself yet. Glenn Whelan and Leon Clarke. lets hope not, i see gloucester turned down the chance to sign clarke.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 22, 2021 5:23:51 GMT
who are we linked with? Havent seen any names myself yet. Glenn Whelan and Leon Clarke. Jesus wept.
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Post by gregsy on Aug 22, 2021 5:34:55 GMT
Glenn Whelan and Leon Clarke. Jesus wept. Perhaps the £50k from the SC could be spent on a sitting yoga studio.... Maybe even set up a walking club....
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Post by pirate on Aug 22, 2021 6:56:48 GMT
Glenn Whelan and Leon Clarke. Jesus wept. Exeter proved yesterday "experience" isn't everything. As frosty said in the post today "A quick glance at the teamsheets on Saturday showed a huge discrepancy in experience between the sides, with hundreds and hundreds of starts at higher levels racked up over the years by players in the Pirates' squad. Exeter, meanwhile, were comparatively limited in knowhow, not that it was apparent from the action in the first half." Exeter also lost promising players Joel Randall (now Peterborough) and Randell Williams (now Hull) this summer.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 22, 2021 7:13:39 GMT
Let's be honest whatever approach Wael's tried has flopped, youth under BG, experience under PT, big name under JB. You do have to start wondering if running a successful football club is simply beyond Wael's own capabilities.
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Post by yetigas on Aug 22, 2021 7:35:26 GMT
Let's be honest whatever approach Wael's tried has flopped, youth under BG, experience under PT, big name under JB. You do have to start wondering if running a successful football club is simply beyond Wael's own capabilities. Or maybe lack of patience and not having the bottle to believe in the project that was started. A new approach under BG was clearly going to take time, yet Wael and co panicked without, it seems, having anyone lined up to replace him. No idea whether there was any real plan under PT, but again appointing someone and then changing your mind after a few games seems crazy (or a complete lack of due diligence). And now under JB, what to do? The results are clearly dire, but if the guy is sacked, who will come in and get this group of players winning? I am no apologist for JB and frankly wish he had not been appointed, but he has been appointed, he is our manager, he convinced our owner hat he has a plan, so now Wael needs to hold his nerve and let JB try turn things around. Am I confident he can do it? No idea to be honest, but I suspect that JB has a better chance than a random manager who happens to be available 3 weeks into the new season.
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Post by giles on Aug 22, 2021 7:44:46 GMT
Let's be honest whatever approach Wael's tried has flopped, youth under BG, experience under PT, big name under JB. You do have to start wondering if running a successful football club is simply beyond Wael's own capabilities. Or maybe lack of patience and not having the bottle to believe in the project that was started. A new approach under BG was clearly going to take time, yet Wael and co panicked without, it seems, having anyone lined up to replace him. No idea whether there was any real plan under PT, but again appointing someone and then changing your mind after a few games seems crazy (or a complete lack of due diligence). And now under JB, what to do? The results are clearly dire, but if the guy is sacked, who will come in and get this group of players winning? I am no apologist for JB and frankly wish he had not been appointed, but he has been appointed, he is our manager, he convinced our owner hat he has a plan, so now Wael needs to hold his nerve and let JB try turn things around. Am I confident he can do it? No idea to be honest, but I suspect that JB has a better chance than a random manager who happens to be available 3 weeks into the new season. Whilst I agree with what you say largely, my only thought is that as JB is so divisive it may be best to actually get rid and then appoint someone who can bring the club together a bit given time.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 22, 2021 8:05:08 GMT
Let's be honest whatever approach Wael's tried has flopped, youth under BG, experience under PT, big name under JB. You do have to start wondering if running a successful football club is simply beyond Wael's own capabilities. You also have to wonder what the f**k is actually going wrong. Everything he's done, on paper, looks reasonable. Practically everything is scrutinised on here (as well as it can be) and there is for and against debate and it all looks ok. I'm not suggesting we know best (far from it) but istm it's possible to look at a team/club from the outside and think, 'that looks ok.' We sign players with half decent records, we don't know what these people are actually like, coz we don't have inside knowledge, but their records are reasonable and nothing to make you concerned (usually). We employ coaching staff, similarly. We get managers who have half decent records, not great but half decent. We always seem to have a budget that isn't world shattering but better than average. We have a fan base that isn't superb (despite what we tell ourselves), but generally supportive. Our facilities aren't great (new training ground aside) but no one ever lost a match coz their stadium was sh** (see some of our best teams from the past). So what the f**k is it? Genuine question. It just seems so incomprehensibly f**ked. What is it?
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Post by Gassy on Aug 22, 2021 8:07:06 GMT
The guy has basically had half a season and won 4 games!!!! Worse than Garner FFS. I hate all this give him 10/15 games bollocks. He’s had more than that! yeah have a think back and tell me, other than DC, when has giving a failing manager 10 games EVER worked? Ever? Tbf I don’t necessarily think it’s always just down to whether they can turn it round. I think the players/squad need to see and understand that it’s the right decision to let someone go. Especially when most of the team came in because of Barton and wanted to play under him.
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Post by darkbluegas on Aug 22, 2021 8:40:19 GMT
Until we have a board of directors who have any idea at all what they’re doing there’s no point in sacking Barton.
The club is currently doing an impression of water circling the plug hole. We’re on a downward spiral that is so difficult to arrest. We’re like one of those seaside towns that’s stuck in the 70’s, fine for a laugh on a stag weekend but you wouldn’t want to live there.
No player/manager worth anything is going to want to come here. We have an owner whose heart is in the right place but desperately needs the support of a serious businessman with football experience to help him out. All the support he’s had so far has come from gravy train passengers.
The training ground is slight progress but really just a step up from Fry’s. It’s miles behind a modern day facility. The ground has become a football league national joke and currently, there’s zero chance to change that.
Barton must have known that his options were limited with the court case hanging over him and Covid in full swing, so no blame attached to him for taking the job. He may as well just be left to get on with it.
If he’s sacked we’re stuffed with another compensation bill and another clear out of players and even more expense.
The most worrying thing about sacking Barton is who the hell the board would employ next time. This bearing in mind they thought Tisdale was an excellent appointment.
I think we should ride this out and concentrate on rebuilding the board at the “club” to at least move us towards the 21st century.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 22, 2021 8:50:35 GMT
Let's be honest whatever approach Wael's tried has flopped, youth under BG, experience under PT, big name under JB. You do have to start wondering if running a successful football club is simply beyond Wael's own capabilities. You also have to wonder what the f**k is actually going wrong. Everything he's done, on paper, looks reasonable. Practically everything is scrutinised on here (as well as it can be) and there is for and against debate and it all looks ok. I'm not suggesting we know best (far from it) but istm it's possible to look at a team/club from the outside and think, 'that looks ok.' We sign players with half decent records, we don't know what these people are actually like, coz we don't have inside knowledge, but their records are reasonable and nothing to make you concerned (usually). We employ coaching staff, similarly. We get managers who have half decent records, not great but half decent. We always seem to have a budget that isn't world shattering but better than average. We have a fan base that isn't superb (despite what we tell ourselves), but generally supportive. Our facilities aren't great (new training ground aside) but no one ever lost a match coz their stadium was sh** (see some of our best teams from the past). So what the f**k is it? Genuine question. It just seems so incomprehensibly f**ked. What is it? It's got to be something to do with the new pitch as it's been all downhill since that was installed? Despite whatever whether Wael's tried since including backing DC to rebuild the side, GC succeeding then leaving, BG, PT, JB all failing. JB even cleansed all the "cancer" and we're still no better. Perhaps Col. Gibson can do a review and try and find the answer?
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 22, 2021 8:55:03 GMT
Until we have a board of directors who have any idea at all what they’re doing there’s no point in sacking Barton. The club is currently doing an impression of water circling the plug hole. We’re on a downward spiral that is so difficult to arrest. We’re like one of those sea side towns that’s stuck in the 70’s, fine for a laugh on a stag weekend but you wouldn’t want to live there. No player/manager worth anything this a going to want to come here. We have an owner whose heart is n the right place but desperately needs the support of a serious businessman with football experience to help him out. All the support he’s had so far has come from gravy train passengers. The training ground is slight progress but really just a step up from Fry’s. It’s miles behind a modern day facility. The ground has become a football league national joke and currently there’s zero chance to change that. Barton must have known that his options were limited with the court case hanging over him and Covid in full swing so no blame attached to him for taking the job and he may as well just be left to get in with it. If he’s sacked we’re stuffed with another compensate bill and another clear out of players and even more expense. The most worrying thing about sacking Barton is who the hell this current board would employ next time. This bearing in mind they thought Tisdale was an excellent appointment. I think we should ride this out and concentrate on rebuilding the board at the “club” to at least move the club towards the 21st century. Well said. We are now approaching two years of being absolute sh*te. Yes there were a few months of no games but have we ever had such a long period of time where there has been nothing to be cheerful about? Its comical in so many ways. Letting a team who haven't scored in four games score four in 25 minutes! We all know that Nichols will score when we play Crawley in a couple of weeks time. Then to make matter worse, there will be nailed on defeats against Ben Garners Swindon and Colchester where Tisdale is now employed.
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