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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2021 21:50:48 GMT
Needs more than 5!!!!! We need 2 strikers a central Midfielder, 2 wing backs ( and I mean actual wingbacks not rodman and Anderson who are not wingbacks ) and at least one commanding centre half. All of that and this Side may stand a chance. The recruitment thus far has been completely unbalanced and in the whole awful. What we will end up with is whelan Clarke and f**k knows what else. Trevor Clarke is a wing back and Taylor a dominant CB? Not sure the recruitment has been awful just that the players aren't performing anywhere near to their expected levels.
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Post by 84gas on Aug 28, 2021 21:55:40 GMT
Leon Clarke and Glenn Whelan definitely coming in with two possibly three others. Expecting Jaakkolla Kilgour Westbrooke Harries Hargreaves Barrett and Grant all leaving. He hasn’t stopped singing Grants praises so surely not, also wouldn’t understand Jak or Alfie going. They were the main reason we were 3rd in lg1 18 mnths ago, shambles!!
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Post by brfcdan90 on Aug 28, 2021 22:06:09 GMT
I listened carefully and when he says ‘five’, he’s not clear whether that’s five deals in AND out or just incoming. He seems to say mutter something about a ‘couple’ in and then says maybe 27 or 28 having been moved on by the end of the window from a current total of 24. He mentions 18 new players in total but I’m not sure if he means that’s the current total or what he expects to get to (anyone know how many new faces we have so far?). So I’m wondering if he means 2 incoming, with 2 or 3 outgoing? If so, I’m worrying that the two incoming might just be the ageing players we have training with us. We’ll see I suppose. Thats seems correct i make it 13 signed so far Belshaw Hughes Taylor Thomas Anderton Clarke Finley Coutts Spence Pitman Anderson Saunders Collins
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Post by gasify on Aug 28, 2021 22:08:39 GMT
What over aged players has JB actually signed other than Pitman? Most of the players he's signed should really by in the prime of their careers. Hey Topper, What is the age of the following players: James Belshaw Mark Hughes Paul Coutts Then add potentially Whelan and Clarke and you can start to see why people are concerned about signing 'old' players.
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 28, 2021 22:45:36 GMT
What over aged players has JB actually signed other than Pitman? Most of the players he's signed should really by in the prime of their careers. Hey Topper, What is the age of the following players: James Belshaw Mark Hughes Paul Coutts Then add potentially Whelan and Clarke and you can start to see why people are concerned about signing 'old' players. They are on trial. So an experienced head in each position so far?? The rest are a decent age. A lot 25 or younger. Don’t get the myth of we are only signing old player’s
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Post by alanrg on Aug 28, 2021 22:53:48 GMT
Just listening again to Barton’s post match the players not in the squad today Barrett Hargreaves and Westbrooke I expect them to go plus possibly one other
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Post by socrates on Aug 28, 2021 23:05:00 GMT
In Barton's post-match presser he suggests we're looking to bring in 5 more players. This raises some questions.... Why is he being trusted to overhaul the squad even more? Who will he be looking to bring in? Where do we realistically need to be strengthening if promotion is to be achieved? Good question. If he was absolutely sure weeks ago that we would win promotion then why now a couple of weeks on do we suddenly need to bring 5 more players in ? I’m not saying he’s wrong but it doesn’t make sense to me .
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Post by cj on Aug 28, 2021 23:14:59 GMT
In Barton's post-match presser he suggests we're looking to bring in 5 more players. This raises some questions.... Why is he being trusted to overhaul the squad even more? Who will he be looking to bring in? Where do we realistically need to be strengthening if promotion is to be achieved? Good question. If he was absolutely sure weeks ago that we would win promotion then why now a couple of weeks on do we suddenly need to bring 5 more players in ? I’m not saying he’s wrong but it doesn’t make sense to me . In fairness to JB, he may have said last week that we will get promotion this season but that may have been said with having the 5 signings in mind.
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Post by gasmania on Aug 29, 2021 0:06:24 GMT
As the old saying goes.... If you can't win with the team you have because they need more time to gel, add more players who will need even more time to gel.
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Post by bluestone on Aug 29, 2021 0:21:53 GMT
This all smacks of panic stations at the gas!
I'm firmly of the view that the problem we have is employing dodgy managers not players.
It's a shockingly wasteful way to carry on and I'm rapidly losing the will to live with Rovers at the moment.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 29, 2021 5:52:49 GMT
What over aged players has JB actually signed other than Pitman? Most of the players he's signed should really by in the prime of their careers. Hey Topper, What is the age of the following players: James Belshaw Mark Hughes Paul Coutts Then add potentially Whelan and Clarke and you can start to see why people are concerned about signing 'old' players. So 3 old players out of 13 signed, and one of them is a GK, a position recognised as one that almost always offering the longest playing career. Adding 2 players to your list who we haven't actually signed yet hardly gives your argument any credibility.
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Post by wallywalters on Aug 29, 2021 6:12:54 GMT
Needs more than 5!!!!! We need 2 strikers a central Midfielder, 2 wing backs ( and I mean actual wingbacks not rodman and Anderson who are not wingbacks ) and at least one commanding centre half. All of that and this Side may stand a chance. The recruitment thus far has been completely unbalanced and in the whole awful. What we will end up with is whelan Clarke and f**k knows what else. Trevor Clarke is a wing back and Taylor a dominant CB? Not sure the recruitment has been awful just that the players aren't performing anywhere near to their expected levels. So one wing back who’s injured is enough to cover the 2 wingback spots we need under Barton’s preferred formation is it? I think I’m quite justified in saying the recruitments been awful. By awful I mean completely unbalanced. We havnt sorted out main issue for 2 years which has been scoring goals. This should have been the first priority. You can get results with a sh** team as long as you have goalscorers. We are lightweight in centre midfield and completely unbalanced in defence with not enough full backs / wing backs to play either a 3 or a 4. But ok I’m wrong then it hasn’t been awful.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2021 8:00:18 GMT
Trevor Clarke is a wing back and Taylor a dominant CB? Not sure the recruitment has been awful just that the players aren't performing anywhere near to their expected levels. So one wing back who’s injured is enough to cover the 2 wingback spots we need under Barton’s preferred formation is it? I think I’m quite justified in saying the recruitments been awful. By awful I mean completely unbalanced. We havnt sorted out main issue for 2 years which has been scoring goals. This should have been the first priority. You can get results with a sh** team as long as you have goalscorers. We are lightweight in centre midfield and completely unbalanced in defence with not enough full backs / wing backs to play either a 3 or a 4. But ok I’m wrong then it hasn’t been awful. It's pretty obvious we couldn't replace Hanlan until he actually left, or we'd be stuck with two expensive strikers in the squad. As far as the LWB given we're restricted in squad numbers we'll probably have to make do with Clarke, Anderson and Harries, unless he also leaves, covering that position.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 29, 2021 8:44:32 GMT
Hey Topper, What is the age of the following players: James Belshaw Mark Hughes Paul Coutts Then add potentially Whelan and Clarke and you can start to see why people are concerned about signing 'old' players. So 3 old players out of 13 signed, and one of them is a GK, a position recognised as one that almost always offering the longest playing career. Adding 2 players to your list who we haven't actually signed yet hardly gives your argument any credibility. Even if they are 30+ in a squad of 20 to have 5/6 players above that age is no bad thing. The naivety of the youthfulness of the squad let us down last year on many occasions. Many were saying we needed experience and older calm heads. We have that now and people are moaning.
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Post by legas on Aug 29, 2021 8:45:00 GMT
I listened carefully and when he says ‘five’, he’s not clear whether that’s five deals in AND out or just incoming. He seems to say mutter something about a ‘couple’ in and then says maybe 27 or 28 having been moved on by the end of the window from a current total of 24. He mentions 18 new players in total but I’m not sure if he means that’s the current total or what he expects to get to (anyone know how many new faces we have so far?). So I’m wondering if he means 2 incoming, with 2 or 3 outgoing? If so, I’m worrying that the two incoming might just be the ageing players we have training with us. We’ll see I suppose. Thats seems correct i make it 13 signed so far Belshaw Hughes Taylor Thomas Anderton Clarke Finley Coutts Spence Pitman Anderson Saunders Collins In that case, that does sound like up to 5 incoming, which gives me a little more hope of us getting what we need.
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Post by gasify on Aug 29, 2021 9:03:45 GMT
Hey Topper, What is the age of the following players: James Belshaw Mark Hughes Paul Coutts Then add potentially Whelan and Clarke and you can start to see why people are concerned about signing 'old' players. So 3 old players out of 13 signed, and one of them is a GK, a position recognised as one that almost always offering the longest playing career. Adding 2 players to your list who we haven't actually signed yet hardly gives your argument any credibility. I take your point Hugo. However, I didn't include Pitman so that makes four. Then if Whelan and Clarke sign then that will be 6. Normally a side would only have one or two 'Wise Old Owls',
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Post by holmesgas1 on Aug 29, 2021 9:16:33 GMT
What over aged players has JB actually signed other than Pitman? Most of the players he's signed should really by in the prime of their careers. Hey Topper, What is the age of the following players: James Belshaw Mark Hughes Paul Coutts Then add potentially Whelan and Clarke and you can start to see why people are concerned about signing 'old' players. So 3 of his 13 signings are "old" and one of them a keeper (think you forgot Pitman), .... The other way of putting it is 9 youngster or in their prime. Yes if he brings Clarke in I'd be worried unless he's shown something miraculous in training, but that's not because of age, but because of recent record. It just shows people can spin statistics to what ever story they want to sell...
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Post by Quarters on Aug 29, 2021 10:20:45 GMT
You can add Rodman as he was given a new contract and is over 30. Anssi also over 30. So six players over 30, enough experience there?
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Post by Strange Gas on Aug 29, 2021 10:25:13 GMT
Anyone mentioned how old Ronaldo or Messi are?!
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Post by mj on Aug 29, 2021 10:30:43 GMT
How old was Rammell when he arrived?Every cross into the box and keepers were frightened to death before he even moved!
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