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Post by trevorgas on Aug 30, 2021 9:58:05 GMT
So have Man United made a big mistake signing 36 year old Ronaldo,should Jimmy Anderson never play for England again because he's 39?. We have no idea of how fit these guys are so perhaps we should just wait and see,rather than assume that once your over 35 your not up to it. I have no issue with the odd player over 35. There will be the odd Cureton who is in great shape and able to keep going as they approach 40. My problem is that in the modern game they are the exception and far from the rule. And whilst they may be able to perform well this season, they won’t have longevity in terms of transfer value or ability to scale the leagues with us. We’re building for the immediate, not for the future. Then there’s the sheer scale in numbers. We need balance. I don't disagree we need balance and hopefully the squad will reflect that,at the moment I will settle for survival in league 2 to arrest the free fall we appear to be in. Talk of promotion is fanciful so if these guys can stop the rot then ok,then we come to the thorny issue of what happens next,another rebuild? |
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Aug 30, 2021 10:02:19 GMT
When I criticised Garner for signing a load of inexperienced players I was not hoping for the absolute complete opposite when he got the chop. We should be looking at players in their mid to late twenties with something to prove alongside young and hungry players, who’ve been blooded in, but haven’t yet fully come out of their footballing chrysalis. So have Man United made a big mistake signing 36 year old Ronaldo,should Jimmy Anderson never play for England again because he's 39?. We have no idea of how fit these guys are so perhaps we should just wait and see,rather than assume that once your over 35 your not up to it. They could be world beaters and it would still be a bad idea to sign 7 players who are in their mid 30's in a desperate bid to gain immediate promotion. How sustainable is it to bring these guys in on one year contracts, and be left with a huge gap in the squad when they inevitably retire or their deal runs out? It's Wael's money but he's bonkers if he's funding these type of moves imo, reeks of short-termism. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 30, 2021 10:03:00 GMT
Surely we need another keeper if we lose Ansii? A lot of clubs only have one senior keeper at this level. Then if they get injured, they can bring in an emergency loan. Some only ever loan keepers. Last season a keeper was on loan at Peterborough and got promoted. Then he went on loan to Lincoln in the play offs, as better loan keeper they had, got injured! When you only get 20 or 22 player’s in a squad. I can see why clubs do it! As you can sign keeper’s out of the window, if one gets injured. But you can’t sign another striker, centre back etc Would rather keep Anssi. |
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Aug 30, 2021 10:03:03 GMT
So have Man United made a big mistake signing 36 year old Ronaldo,should Jimmy Anderson never play for England again because he's 39?. We have no idea of how fit these guys are so perhaps we should just wait and see,rather than assume that once your over 35 your not up to it. I have no issue with the odd player over 35. There will be the odd Cureton who is in great shape and able to keep going as they approach 40. My problem is that in the modern game they are the exception and far from the rule. And whilst they may be able to perform well this season, they won’t have longevity in terms of transfer value or ability to scale the leagues with us. We’re building for the immediate, not for the future. Then there’s the sheer scale in numbers. We need balance. Good post, completely agree. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 30, 2021 10:06:25 GMT
A lot of clubs only have one senior keeper at this level. Then if they get injured, they can bring in an emergency loan. Some only ever loan keepers. Last season a keeper was on loan at Peterborough and got promoted. Then he went on loan to Lincoln in the play offs, as better loan keeper they had, got injured! When you only get 20 or 22 player’s in a squad. I can see why clubs do it! As you can sign keeper’s out of the window, if one gets injured. But you can’t sign another striker, centre back etc Would rather keep Anssi. What is the deal with keepers in the squad numbers? I’m not au fait with the regulations and I’ve seen posts that suggest goalkeepers aren’t included in the 20/22/whatever it is. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 30, 2021 10:10:13 GMT
A lot of clubs only have one senior keeper at this level. Then if they get injured, they can bring in an emergency loan. Some only ever loan keepers. Last season a keeper was on loan at Peterborough and got promoted. Then he went on loan to Lincoln in the play offs, as better loan keeper they had, got injured! When you only get 20 or 22 player’s in a squad. I can see why clubs do it! As you can sign keeper’s out of the window, if one gets injured. But you can’t sign another striker, centre back etc Would rather keep Anssi. I want to keep Annsi, if possible. But if it was the choice between Annsi and another striker, that might change things. |
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Aug 30, 2021 10:12:49 GMT
Reckon we'll be seeing Clarke, Whelan and a wingback/striker come in on loan.
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Post by gasmania on Aug 30, 2021 10:12:49 GMT
Will be interesting to see what happens transfer wise today for teams in the championship and league 1. Their activity may make some more players available.
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Post by playtowin on Aug 30, 2021 10:14:28 GMT
So have Man United made a big mistake signing 36 year old Ronaldo,should Jimmy Anderson never play for England again because he's 39?. We have no idea of how fit these guys are so perhaps we should just wait and see,rather than assume that once your over 35 your not up to it. I have no issue with the odd player over 35. There will be the odd Cureton who is in great shape and able to keep going as they approach 40. My problem is that in the modern game they are the exception and far from the rule. And whilst they may be able to perform well this season, they won’t have longevity in terms of transfer value or ability to scale the leagues with us. We’re building for the immediate, not for the future. Then there’s the sheer scale in numbers. We need balance. All that matters is this season though (to the manager) as if success is not delivered there will be no 'future' to worry about. So why build for it ? The point where BG took over was a point to build for the future.A stable league one position. Trouble is they went so barmy with that idea they forgot the here and now. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 30, 2021 10:24:26 GMT
What is the deal with keepers in the squad numbers? I’m not au fait with the regulations and I’ve seen posts that suggest goalkeepers aren’t included in the 20/22/whatever it is. Not sure, very confusing having read several threads on here! |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Aug 30, 2021 10:27:37 GMT
I'd be surprised to see Kilgour leave, Barton mentioned Baldwin had been let go partly to open a pathway for Kilgour & Taylor so not sure why he would then be moved on.
If we're bring in 5 more then I'm guessing Westbrooke, Barrett & Hargreaves would be at the top of the departures list
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 30, 2021 10:29:03 GMT
So have Man United made a big mistake signing 36 year old Ronaldo,should Jimmy Anderson never play for England again because he's 39?. We have no idea of how fit these guys are so perhaps we should just wait and see,rather than assume that once your over 35 your not up to it. They could be world beaters and it would still be a bad idea to sign 7 players who are in their mid 30's in a desperate bid to gain immediate promotion. How sustainable is it to bring these guys in on one year contracts, and be left with a huge gap in the squad when they inevitably retire or their deal runs out? It's Wael's money but he's bonkers if he's funding these type of moves imo, reeks of short-termism. Football is short term,very few build for the future,as for end of season turnaround of players that seems to be a regular occurrence at most clubs,we had the opportunity for a long term view under Garner however,us the fans couldn't stomach the results and here's where we are,sometimes you dont get what you wish for in life . |
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Post by brfc on Aug 30, 2021 10:38:03 GMT
Rumoured that we're bringing in George Lloyd tomorrow on loan from Cheltenham. He’s not coming to us the evening post have reported. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 30, 2021 10:45:50 GMT
They could be world beaters and it would still be a bad idea to sign 7 players who are in their mid 30's in a desperate bid to gain immediate promotion. How sustainable is it to bring these guys in on one year contracts, and be left with a huge gap in the squad when they inevitably retire or their deal runs out? It's Wael's money but he's bonkers if he's funding these type of moves imo, reeks of short-termism. Football is short term,very few build for the future,as for end of season turnaround of players that seems to be a regular occurrence at most clubs,we had the opportunity for a long term view under Garner however,us the fans couldn't stomach the results and here's where we are,sometimes you dont get what you wish for in life . Garner couldn’t work with someone else’s players, then couldn’t work with his own, then neither could Tisdale nor Barton. Problem was the balance was at the wrong end of the spectrum again. Too many inexperienced players (not necessarily even that young) chucked in with experienced pros without sufficient firepower and leadership. It’s a fallacy we’d have come good if we’d have just given him more time we’d be in exactly the same mess we are today. |
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 30, 2021 10:50:49 GMT
Football is short term,very few build for the future,as for end of season turnaround of players that seems to be a regular occurrence at most clubs,we had the opportunity for a long term view under Garner however,us the fans couldn't stomach the results and here's where we are,sometimes you dont get what you wish for in life . Garner couldn’t work with someone else’s players, then couldn’t work with his own, then neither could Tisdale nor Barton. Problem was the balance was at the wrong end of the spectrum again. Too many inexperienced players (not necessarily even that young) chucked in with experienced pros without sufficient firepower and leadership. It’s a fallacy we’d have come good if we’d have just given him more time we’d be in exactly the same mess we are today. Your probably right,correct strategy but with an Organisation that is completely dysfunctional and with the wrong Manager,although I'm not sure any one person can manage successfully in an Organisation that is as dysfunctional as ours. |
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 30, 2021 10:53:20 GMT
Depending on the age of the players we're hoping to bring in, it might not be 5 in, 5 out.
Could be 4 or 5 in and 3 or 4 out.
If 1 or 2 of the potenatial signings are under 21 they wouldn't count towards the squad size.
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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 30, 2021 10:57:43 GMT
GC could and did
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Post by baggins on Aug 30, 2021 10:58:16 GMT
I want to keep Annsi, if possible. But if it was the choice between Annsi and another striker, that might change things. Maybe put Anssi up front? |
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Post by fatherbrown on Aug 30, 2021 11:02:05 GMT
Don't think George Lloyd fits our needs for a striker, he's only 5'8", welcome to the gas George.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 30, 2021 11:02:13 GMT
Well it needs to be … on the transfer front. Expectations from me …. Pretty low other than Clarke + Whelan in and a surprise or two. Jakkola - Westbrooke - Barrett all out - i truly hope he hangs on to Alfie . Why the obsession with Kilgour? He had one good spell when he first broke into the team, and even then people only said that he looked promising. He always has a mistake in him and has never quite made the mark. A player who needs another challenge in my opinion. Sadly , I agree with this. |
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