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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 21, 2021 20:04:19 GMT
Since Dave Penny in 2011, Rovers have had 15 managers, Nottingham Forest have had 14. I only quote these stats because chopping and changing the manager does not work, even if you feel they're not producing the goods. Darrell Clarke had a terrible record when he started, but with time and patience he turned out to be one of our best ever bosses. Please please can we stop demanding the manager is sacked every 5 minutes. Get behind the lads and the corner will be turned. UTG Don't really see how that works. Keep sacking managers until we get to the absolute bottom of the barrel and then stick with him? I've never demanded a manager be sacked, before. I've listened to all sorts of fans demand sacking loads of managers for all sorts of reasons. Now we have one that really needs to be sacked. Saying we've sacked a lot of managers is not a reason not to sack this one. Maybe if we hadn't sacked a shed load of managers we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. But keeping JB in charge is not the way to get out of the mess, imo. Maybe if people hadn't demanded we sack DC after he had led us well for five years, maybe if people hadn't demanded GC go coz we weren't winning in an entertaining way, maybe if people hadn't demanded we get rid of BG when we were comfortably out of the relegation zone, things would have been different. But now is not the time to draw a line under that and stick with the worst manager in our history. I agree it would be great if people did stop demanding we sack managers all the time, but I think we should wait for JB to f**k off before we do that.
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Post by pirate on Sept 21, 2021 20:25:03 GMT
Since Dave Penny in 2011, Rovers have had 15 managers, Nottingham Forest have had 14. Amazing really. Only recently on the radio Forest were being criticised and held up as a bit of a laughing stock for the amount of managers they have gone through.
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Post by cj on Sept 21, 2021 21:39:55 GMT
Since Dave Penny in 2011, Rovers have had 15 managers, Nottingham Forest have had 14. I only quote these stats because chopping and changing the manager does not work, even if you feel they're not producing the goods. Darrell Clarke had a terrible record when he started, but with time and patience he turned out to be one of our best ever bosses. Please please can we stop demanding the manager is sacked every 5 minutes. Get behind the lads and the corner will be turned. UTG In this same time period, Watford are on their 16th. They won promotion to the Prem a few months ago, so it can work when you get a manager who can get the best from the players at the club.
I will keep demanding the manager to be sacked if they are unable to actually do their job. JB has taken us from 19th in League 1 to 22nd in League 2 in just 7 months. And 2 of those months had no football. League games only, JB has won just 18 points from a possible 78 available. That alone is completely unacceptable. But the manner of his poor performance on top of his record shows he is not fit for the job. He couldn't get the best from players he inherited. He cannot get the best from the players he has signed. Pretty big red flags if a manager is not able to do either of these. And sacrificing our League 1 status because he couldn't be bothered to work with "a team of losers" (his words not mine) is unforgivable.
And I do get behind the lads. Just not the manager.
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2021 21:42:49 GMT
Since Dave Penny in 2011, Rovers have had 15 managers, Nottingham Forest have had 14. I only quote these stats because chopping and changing the manager does not work, even if you feel they're not producing the goods. Darrell Clarke had a terrible record when he started, but with time and patience he turned out to be one of our best ever bosses. Please please can we stop demanding the manager is sacked every 5 minutes. Get behind the lads and the corner will be turned. UTG Don’t you dare compare the greatest manager in our history with this fraudulent clown.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 21, 2021 21:44:01 GMT
Since Dave Penny in 2011, Rovers have had 15 managers, Nottingham Forest have had 14. Amazing really. Only recently on the radio Forest were being criticised and held up as a bit of a laughing stock for the amount of managers they have gone through. And to think we had DC for what, 4 years? So take away DC and in 6 years we went through 14 managers?!
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Post by pirate on Sept 21, 2021 21:50:33 GMT
Amazing really. Only recently on the radio Forest were being criticised and held up as a bit of a laughing stock for the amount of managers they have gone through. And to think we had DC for what, 4 years? So take away DC and in 6 years we went through 14 managers?! Absolute madness.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 21, 2021 22:38:33 GMT
Amazing really. Only recently on the radio Forest were being criticised and held up as a bit of a laughing stock for the amount of managers they have gone through. And to think we had DC for what, 4 years? So take away DC and in 6 years we went through 14 managers?! Crikey - does that include Caretaker Managers?
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Post by pirate on Sept 21, 2021 22:47:55 GMT
And to think we had DC for what, 4 years? So take away DC and in 6 years we went through 14 managers?! Crikey - does that include Caretaker Managers? I've just checked and its actually 12 managers since Penney and that includes caretakers Stuart Campbell, Tommy Widdrington (x2), Joe Dunne and Kevin Maher.
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Post by hardingegas on Sept 21, 2021 22:52:42 GMT
I'd give Barton the next three games, all winnable in my opinion against bog standard league two teams, anything less than five points would surely result in his removal?
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Post by Gasshole on Sept 21, 2021 23:01:30 GMT
Crikey - does that include Caretaker Managers? I've just checked and its actually 12 managers since Penney and that includes caretakers Stuart Campbell, Tommy Widdrington (x2), Joe Dunne and Kevin Maher. Might as well make it 13.
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Post by cj on Sept 21, 2021 23:49:54 GMT
I posted our stats in a different thread following the Hartlepool defeat so here is the updated stats: Following our game on the 21st December 2019, we were 2nd in League 1. Since then, we have... Played 68 league games. Won 13. Drew 13. Lost 42. Scored 53. Conceded 107. Won 52 points from a possible 204 points available and have the goal difference of -54. I am positive that no one on here find these stats acceptable. I am showing them here again so we can compare them to Southend from the same date onwards. I have selected Southend because I think we all can agree that they have been in all kinds of mess on and off the pitch for a long time. They just suffered a double relegation and already are struggling in the National League near the bottom. They are truly a club in crisis. So here are Southend's stats since their game on 21st December 2019. Played 66 league games. Won 14. Drew 20. Lost 32. Scored 49. Conceded 91. Won 64 points from a possible 198 points available and have the goal difference of -42. So this crisis club have won more than us, drew more than us, lost less than us, scored just less than us, conceded less than us, won more points than us and has a better GD than us. What does this make us if we've actually got a worse record than them over the last 21 months?
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 22, 2021 8:09:07 GMT
The playing record since December 2019 is truly appalling. A club in crisis for sure when even Southend has done better (marginally).
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Sept 22, 2021 11:55:56 GMT
Since Dave Penny in 2011, Rovers have had 15 managers, Nottingham Forest have had 14. I only quote these stats because chopping and changing the manager does not work, even if you feel they're not producing the goods. Darrell Clarke had a terrible record when he started, but with time and patience he turned out to be one of our best ever bosses. Please please can we stop demanding the manager is sacked every 5 minutes. Get behind the lads and the corner will be turned. UTG Don’t you dare compare the greatest manager in our history with this fraudulent clown. Who's comparing, and I'll dare to say what I like thanks.
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Post by RD on Sept 22, 2021 12:16:47 GMT
Don’t you dare compare the greatest manager in our history with this fraudulent clown. Who's comparing, and I'll dare to say what I like thanks. I mean, it was meant to be a joke. But FWIW, it wasn't a particularly good point. "We've sacked too many so we've got to stick with him" is literally the most ridiculous rationale ever.
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Post by cj on Sept 22, 2021 12:25:45 GMT
Who's comparing, and I'll dare to say what I like thanks. I mean, it was meant to be a joke. But FWIW, it wasn't a particularly good point. "We've sacked too many so we've got to stick with him" is literally the most ridiculous rationale ever. I know right. Crazy stuff. I mean let's keep the worse manager in our history, who sacrificed our L1 status because he couldn't be bothered to work with the team he inherited and now got us 3 bottom of the entire football league with his own team that he has built - so he's on his way to sacrificing our football league status, undoing all the work that one of greatest managers recently achieved, all in the name of some unwritten rule that we've sacked 2 managers already in the last 12 months. Totally bizarre reasoning!
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Post by Gassy on Sept 22, 2021 13:12:35 GMT
Crikey - does that include Caretaker Managers? I've just checked and its actually 12 managers since Penney and that includes caretakers Stuart Campbell, Tommy Widdrington (x2), Joe Dunne and Kevin Maher. So take away DC and it’s 2 per year, that is absolutely shocking. #ImStillBartonOutThough😂
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Post by carlts2020 on Sept 22, 2021 13:22:13 GMT
Starnes joined in March 2018 as CEO.
Prior to Starnes we had one manager for a 4 year period.
In the 3.5 years since he joined we have had 4 caretaker managers and 4 managers. That doesn’t take into account the change in backroom, coaching and academy staff.
Shambles.
#starnesout
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Post by carlts2020 on Sept 22, 2021 13:27:49 GMT
In Starnes tenure there has been 4 permanent managers, a crazy turnaround in playing staff, failed recruitment, a disillusioned fan base and an awful set of results (26 wins in the league from 100 games).
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Sept 22, 2021 13:30:03 GMT
Bring back Steve Hamer and stability that comes with him.
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Post by cj on Sept 22, 2021 14:03:32 GMT
Starnes joined in March 2018 as CEO. Prior to Starnes we had one manager for a 4 year period. In the 3.5 years since he joined we have had 4 caretaker managers and 4 managers. That doesn’t take into account the change in backroom, coaching and academy staff. Shambles. #starnesout Since then (17th December 2019), we've won just 13 games out of 69 league games. Wheel's have come off.
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