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Post by mj on Dec 8, 2021 18:43:56 GMT
one thing that does not get mentioned very often is the entertainment value which I think has been much better this year after the first few games which were dire We are now playing decent football and scoring goals.Even last night was an exciting second half with 10 men
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Post by percy on Dec 8, 2021 19:18:41 GMT
one thing that does not get mentioned very often is the entertainment value which I think has been much better this year after the first few games which were dire We are now playing decent football and scoring goals.Even last night was an exciting second half with 10 men Agree with this. Said something similar on another thread. We have some real talented abs quick players. We have a belief and never give up attitude So it’s frustrating that injuries, suspensions, poor management at times and an unbalanced squad has meant we are losing more than winning and not challenging
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2021 19:35:05 GMT
I don't think that Tisdale was here long enough for us to make a conclusive judgement either way. His lack of activity in the January window was a big failing though. I agree with what you say, but I think some have made Tisdale the scapegoat for our current failings, for, I think, two reasons: 1) Garner has, against all the odds, showed himself to be a competent manager, so maybe criticism of him now looks a bit misplaced; 2) Barton is the current incumbent and some feel criticism of him is not the best thing to do when we should be supporting the team, so he's immune, to some at least. So that leaves just Tisdale to have a go at. Even though he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip, so to speak. Anyway it's all in the past now, so I shall try not to mention him again. Tisdale gets stick as he b@lls up in January, if he'd sign at least one good striker he may still be in a job, or Barton might have kept us up. Garner seems to be doing better with a DoF rather than being fully in charge of recruitment etc. Perhaps Bradford were right not to give him the full control he was seeking, which I assume Wael agreed to give me.
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Post by richie on Dec 8, 2021 19:59:30 GMT
Let’s see what tis can bring to Stevenage. He knows Daley well although personally I wouldn’t depend on him.
Who do you think out of Garner and Barton has has the best transfer window. For me it’s JB
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Post by mj on Dec 8, 2021 20:51:23 GMT
No doubt JB He has signed some quality players.It did not click at first but it is coming together
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Post by pirate on Dec 8, 2021 21:06:51 GMT
Let’s see what tis can bring to Stevenage. He knows Daley well although personally I wouldn’t depend on him. Who do you think out of Garner and Barton has has the best transfer window. For me it’s JB A shame that with the "best transfer window" Barton has still lost 45% of his games and sits 16th in the basement division, 11 places below the 'negligent' Garner.
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Post by mj on Dec 8, 2021 21:20:58 GMT
Our recent form has been much better as you well know Include the 3 FA cup games that brought in much needed revenue and it is better still.I would rather us be improving after a lousy start than the reverse
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Post by pirate on Dec 8, 2021 21:27:07 GMT
Our recent form has been much better as you well know Include the 3 FA cup games that brought in much needed revenue and it is better still.I would rather us be improving after a lousy start than the reverse For the last 15 games we are 13th in the League Two form table, for the last 10 games we are 13th and for the last 5 games we are 15th.
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Post by richie on Dec 8, 2021 22:22:31 GMT
Let’s see what tis can bring to Stevenage. He knows Daley well although personally I wouldn’t depend on him. Who do you think out of Garner and Barton has has the best transfer window. For me it’s JB A shame that with the "best transfer window" Barton has still lost 45% of his games and sits 16th in the basement division, 11 places below the 'negligent' Garner. Not the question- who had the best window?
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Post by richie on Dec 8, 2021 22:25:27 GMT
if no naysayers want to answer the question how about saying if we kept Benny and last years squad would we be better or worse?
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Post by aghast on Dec 8, 2021 22:31:02 GMT
Our recent form has been much better as you well know Include the 3 FA cup games that brought in much needed revenue and it is better still.I would rather us be improving after a lousy start than the reverse For the last 15 games we are 13th in the League Two form table, for the last 10 games we are 13th and for the last 5 games we are 15th. Don't start that nonsense. We win one game, we are going to storm the league. We lose one, we are calm. We win one, we are going to storm the league. We lose another, we are calm. Keep the faith.
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Post by pirate on Dec 8, 2021 22:40:47 GMT
A shame that with the "best transfer window" Barton has still lost 45% of his games and sits 16th in the basement division, 11 places below the 'negligent' Garner. Not the question- who had the best window? Debatable. Garner joined 17 days before the new season with Swindon having only 8 contracted players at the club. He has guided them to 5th in the table so far. Barton had all summer to get it right and left it late in the window to sign 2 strikers with the combined age of nearly 70, no natural right wing back for a system that relies on that position and a lack of pace and mobility in defence which has contributed to us having the second worse defensive record in the division. I like some of the players Barton has recruited, but failure to properly address key areas is costing us and losing nearly half our games tells it's own story.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 8, 2021 22:44:13 GMT
A shame that with the "best transfer window" Barton has still lost 45% of his games and sits 16th in the basement division, 11 places below the 'negligent' Garner. Not the question- who had the best window? Play school , the round window.
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Post by richie on Dec 9, 2021 9:37:10 GMT
I was thinking of comparing Garners 20/21 window with Joeys 21/22
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 11:34:07 GMT
I was thinking of comparing Garners 20/21 window with Joeys 21/22 Can both be sh**?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 9, 2021 11:41:37 GMT
I was thinking of comparing Garners 20/21 window with Joeys 21/22 Can both be sh**? Too late...
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Post by axegas on Dec 9, 2021 11:50:31 GMT
People are happy at a poor performance in this league because at least it’s not a very poor performance like last year in the division above. That’s where we are at currently.
We always crow about reaching the playoffs in league one or getting promoted in league two before the start of the season then settle for inevitable mediocrity ten games in.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 9, 2021 12:07:18 GMT
But you cannot disagree that the availability of the squad that Barton inherited was not the same as the one that Tis and Garner had at their disposal. We were bereft of a decent and balanced squad by the time he got here. Alex Ferguson wouldnt have kept us up IMO. I dont think he gave up, he was just utterly powerless. We were playing kids for the last 10 games and they were being played out of position most of the time. We needed to sign a winger and 2 strikers in Jan and we failed, or rather Tisdale failed. His obsession with Stockley meant we missed out on players like Armand Gnanduliett who were free, available and ready to sign. We should have had the contracts signed and sent to the FA on Jan 1 with the players we needed. But he dicked about and we all paid the price. That said our DOF at the time should have over ruled him and just got some bodies in for him to play, which is what Starnes alluded to at the time by enquiring about Danny Hylton, that was him calling an old friend desperate for some help rather than Tis wanting Hylton. By that time it was too late, we had lost more games through Jan and we looked less and less of an attractive proposition to any player by the end of the window. It was no surprise we plummeted to the bottom. Barton has consistently over-promised and under-delivered. We will never know what might have happened if Garner was the one that we stuck with.. would he have kept our players fit and ticking over with a PPG that ultimately would have kept us up (or better if he had plugged our holes in the January transfer window)? We will never know what would have happened if we kept Tisdale either. What we do know is we brought in Barton when we were outside the relegation zone and he has steered us to the very bottom of the league and now sitting 16th in League Two after 20 games (with the squad he was backed to build). Huge January window required to fix things and I have not seen much so far to suggest Barton is the man to trust to do it. This is before you consider all the off-field nonsense and fan division he is also guilty of I’ll agree with your top sentence. Pretty disappointed with Barton this year tbh. I also agree it was an utterly bizarre decision to sack Garner when they did. With the benefit of hindsight it wasn’t a bad start to the season given where we know the teams that we did play ended up in the league that year and I also believe that continuity with Garner and philosophy would have kept us up with some additions in Jan. If we were going to sack Garner we should have done it in the summer or about around the second week of December after 22 games. I think the thought was that the new manager could have assessed the squad and then got everything lined up for the Jan window with some momentum behind us. Sadly, they appointed the wrong person. We should have, at the time, made an approach and signed Micheal Duff from Cheltenham, which is who I said we should have signed before Garner. He is exactly the type of fit for this club, very DC in the ways he goes about things and his teams play good football. We were defo going down with Tisdale in charge though. His incompetence and lack of focus purely on us (always doing pods, media and other bits) was distracting from the job in hand and I think Barton coming in highlighted that.
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Post by toddy1953 on Dec 9, 2021 12:46:20 GMT
Barton has consistently over-promised and under-delivered. We will never know what might have happened if Garner was the one that we stuck with.. would he have kept our players fit and ticking over with a PPG that ultimately would have kept us up (or better if he had plugged our holes in the January transfer window)? We will never know what would have happened if we kept Tisdale either. What we do know is we brought in Barton when we were outside the relegation zone and he has steered us to the very bottom of the league and now sitting 16th in League Two after 20 games (with the squad he was backed to build). Huge January window required to fix things and I have not seen much so far to suggest Barton is the man to trust to do it. This is before you consider all the off-field nonsense and fan division he is also guilty of I’ll agree with your top sentence. Pretty disappointed with Barton this year tbh. I also agree it was an utterly bizarre decision to sack Garner when they did. With the benefit of hindsight it wasn’t a bad start to the season given where we know the teams that we did play ended up in the league that year and I also believe that continuity with Garner and philosophy would have kept us up with some additions in Jan. If we were going to sack Garner we should have done it in the summer or about around the second week of December after 22 games. I think the thought was that the new manager could have assessed the squad and then got everything lined up for the Jan window with some momentum behind us. Sadly, they appointed the wrong person. We should have, at the time, made an approach and signed Micheal Duff from Cheltenham, which is who I said we should have signed before Garner. He is exactly the type of fit for this club, very DC in the ways he goes about things and his teams play good football. We were defo going down with Tisdale in charge though. His incompetence and lack of focus purely on us (always doing pods, media and other bits) was distracting from the job in hand and I think Barton coming in highlighted that. I get you didn’t rate Tisdale, that’s your opinion. I didn’t want Tisdale as manager either, but IMO with Garner or Tisdale in charge we may still have gone down, but wouldn’t have been cut adrift at the bottom of the table. Barton came in with excuses, blaming everyone & everything from day one, and shamefully gave up on the job in the last 10 games. I would say his distractions far outweigh any distractions Tisdale had. Without the circus that Barton brings with him, he should be gone on results alone, but unfortunately I can’t see that happening.
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Post by richie on Dec 9, 2021 13:21:58 GMT
very poor in league one or averagely poor in league two. Now im depressed
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