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Post by trevorgas on May 24, 2022 8:32:01 GMT
One of the, as yet largely unappreciated, consequences of the war is the effect on food supplies. We're already seeing the impact,I saw a news report a day or so ago that the Russians are stealing the grain,it's very frustrating and although it's risky we must call their bluff and escort ships,we can't allow one despot to hold the world to ransom. |
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Post by oldie on May 24, 2022 8:57:07 GMT
One of the, as yet largely unappreciated, consequences of the war is the effect on food supplies. We're already seeing the impact,I saw a news report a day or so ago that the Russians are stealing the grain,it's very frustrating and although it's risky we must call their bluff and escort ships,we can't allow one despot to hold the world to ransom. I think we, the west, have to. But we must be prepared for open conflict and if so, be prepared to win. Are we? |
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Post by trevorgas on May 24, 2022 9:49:37 GMT
We're already seeing the impact,I saw a news report a day or so ago that the Russians are stealing the grain,it's very frustrating and although it's risky we must call their bluff and escort ships,we can't allow one despot to hold the world to ransom. I think we, the west, have to. But we must be prepared for open conflict and if so, be prepared to win. Are we? Unequivocal no from me,to busy wringing our hands about being cold this winter when we have the warmest climate for decades. |
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Post by oldie on May 24, 2022 10:30:08 GMT
I think we, the west, have to. But we must be prepared for open conflict and if so, be prepared to win. Are we? Unequivocal no from me,to busy wringing our hands about being cold this winter when we have the warmest climate for decades. But, it's more than just us. There are many countries that rely on Ukrainian grain exports. |
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Post by yattongas on May 24, 2022 10:50:13 GMT
Unequivocal no from me,to busy wringing our hands about being cold this winter when we have the warmest climate for decades. But, it's more than just us. There are many countries that rely on Ukrainian grain exports. Africa mainly isn’t it ? So people will go hungry/ starve , migrants will wash up on the shores of Europe and Nigel & co will be out with their binoculars again . Winning ! |
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Post by baggins on May 24, 2022 10:53:14 GMT
But, it's more than just us. There are many countries that rely on Ukrainian grain exports. Africa mainly isn’t it ? So people will go hungry/ starve , migrants will wash up on the shores of Europe and Nigel & co will be out with their binoculars again . Winning ! Aren't we sending the Ukranian refugees there? |
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Post by oldie on May 24, 2022 11:41:21 GMT
Africa mainly isn’t it ? So people will go hungry/ starve , migrants will wash up on the shores of Europe and Nigel & co will be out with their binoculars again . Winning ! Aren't we sending the Ukranian refugees there? No of course not. Ukranians are white Christians, so they are fine to stay. |
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Post by oldie on May 24, 2022 11:43:00 GMT
But, it's more than just us. There are many countries that rely on Ukrainian grain exports. Africa mainly isn’t it ? So people will go hungry/ starve , migrants will wash up on the shores of Europe and Nigel & co will be out with their binoculars again . Winning ! Yes, but not limited to. India, as a consequence, banned all grain exports, which just exacerbates the issue. |
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Post by trevorgas on May 24, 2022 13:32:25 GMT
Unequivocal no from me,to busy wringing our hands about being cold this winter when we have the warmest climate for decades. But, it's more than just us. There are many countries that rely on Ukrainian grain exports. Totally agree hence my comment we can't let this guy hold the World to ransom |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 24, 2022 13:51:59 GMT
But, it's more than just us. There are many countries that rely on Ukrainian grain exports. Totally agree hence my comment we can't let this guy hold the World to ransom I agree. Times like these define future humanity. I do not want my son fighting this war because we didn't. |
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Post by oldie on May 24, 2022 13:55:16 GMT
But, it's more than just us. There are many countries that rely on Ukrainian grain exports. Totally agree hence my comment we can't let this guy hold the World to ransom That's my instinct. But if we break the Black Sea blockade then we will be in open conflict with Russia. Are we prepared for that? |
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Post by trevorgas on May 24, 2022 14:39:25 GMT
Totally agree hence my comment we can't let this guy hold the World to ransom That's my instinct. But if we break the Black Sea blockade then we will be in open conflict with Russia. Are we prepared for that? We need to prepare the public,however we need a different PM for that. |
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Post by oldie on May 24, 2022 14:42:14 GMT
That's my instinct. But if we break the Black Sea blockade then we will be in open conflict with Russia. Are we prepared for that? We need to prepare the public,however we need a different PM for that. Too true |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 24, 2022 22:24:38 GMT
One of the, as yet largely unappreciated, consequences of the war is the effect on food supplies. We're already seeing the impact,I saw a news report a day or so ago that the Russians are stealing the grain,it's very frustrating and although it's risky we must call their bluff and escort ships,we can't allow one despot to hold the world to ransom. There is a problem with the Montreaux Convention though, Turkey has declared the situation in Ukraine as a war and has closed warship access to only those ships registered in the Black Sea. If they allow others through then the have to let Russian vessels too. Turkey is already trying to get something in return for their agreement for Finland and Sweden to join Nato. |
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Post by trevorgas on May 25, 2022 6:35:16 GMT
We're already seeing the impact,I saw a news report a day or so ago that the Russians are stealing the grain,it's very frustrating and although it's risky we must call their bluff and escort ships,we can't allow one despot to hold the world to ransom. There is a problem with the Montreaux Convention though, Turkey has declared the situation in Ukraine as a war and has closed warship access to only those ships registered in the Black Sea. If they allow others through then the have to let Russian vessels too. Turkey is already trying to get something in return for their agreement for Finland and Sweden to join Nato. It's all very grubby using others misfortune to try and leverage benefits. |
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Post by fintanstack on May 25, 2022 12:00:08 GMT
There is a problem with the Montreaux Convention though, Turkey has declared the situation in Ukraine as a war and has closed warship access to only those ships registered in the Black Sea. If they allow others through then the have to let Russian vessels too. Turkey is already trying to get something in return for their agreement for Finland and Sweden to join Nato. It's all very grubby using others misfortune to try and leverage benefits. Never let a good disaster go to waste. All world leaders have been doing this forever. |
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Post by trevorgas on May 25, 2022 12:05:30 GMT
It's all very grubby using others misfortune to try and leverage benefits. Never let a good disaster go to waste. All world leaders have been doing this forever. Aye |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 6, 2022 22:37:59 GMT
Over 100 days into what many thought had been intended to be a quick 3 day coup.
Looks like Russia will solidify areas in the east but at huge cost. They also lost another general recently.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 27, 2022 15:31:27 GMT
"A shopping centre with over 1,000 civilians inside has been hit by a missile strike in the Ukrainian city of Kremenchuk, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said. "The mall is on fire, firefighters are trying to extinguish the fire, the number of victims is impossible to imagine," said the country's leader on Telegram. Footage on social media showed a large number of people stood outside as a huge blaze raged inside the building and dark smoke billowed into the sky. The city's mayor Vitaliy Meletskiy said the strike on the "very crowded" structure had caused deaths and injuries, but gave no figures." news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-missile-strike-on-shopping-centre-with-over-1-000-people-inside-in-city-of-kremenchuk-zelenskyy-says-12641299 |
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