|
Post by warehamgas on Jul 4, 2022 20:16:45 GMT
Welcome to the gas John. An excellent signing imo at the right age and a player that’s done well in League 1 in the past. Surprised at some reaction on here but fair enough it’s all about different opinions. But good to get a player who’s still at a decent age instead of getting players who I’ve liked but feel we got them 2/3 years later than we should have. (Clarke, Oztumer, Upson).
A player who’s done well against us in the past but it’s all about what he does for us now and as with all transfers there’s no guarantees. But a good feel about this one. Time will tell of course but I’m sure JB will get the best out of him. Good luck John.
UTG!
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2022 20:20:00 GMT
9 goals last season hardly makes him a great signing, he's now only had one good goal scoring season in 3 seasons, it's really anybody's guess if he can rediscover his past form. Personally I'd have felt more confident in Norwood getting the goals. JCH only scored 8 goals for Coventry the season before we signed him. He'd only scored 13 goals in 94 games in the 3 previous seasons too. We've already made £2M from his sale and could be due a bit more. Was he not a good signing? JCH was a lot younger than JM and unlike him hadn't previously had a history of scoring goals. There's some reason he had a poor season last season, either he's lost his touch or he just played in two poor teams.
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2022 20:23:14 GMT
9 goals last season hardly makes him a great signing, he's now only had one good goal scoring season in 3 seasons, it's really anybody's guess if he can rediscover his past form. Personally I'd have felt more confident in Norwood getting the goals. Norwood scored 8 last season so by statistics Marquis is the better off Norwood was told to play with the U23's for half a season, so his goals per games ratio is higher. It'll be interesting to see who he signs for now, given he's clearly not going to be signing for us. It could be Marquis v Norwood in our second home league game.
|
|
|
Post by WeAreTheGas on Jul 4, 2022 20:32:20 GMT
Welcome to the lad.
Personally pretty pleased with this one, but we shall see!
Time to get a CB or two and some pacy ball carriers in the side now.
|
|
|
Post by Gastafari on Jul 4, 2022 20:51:55 GMT
JCH only scored 8 goals for Coventry the season before we signed him. He'd only scored 13 goals in 94 games in the 3 previous seasons too. We've already made £2M from his sale and could be due a bit more. Was he not a good signing? JCH was a lot younger than JM and unlike him hadn't previously had a history of scoring goals. There's some reason he had a poor season last season, either he's lost his touch or he just played in two poor teams. His record at Portsmouth of 28 goals in 93 league games isn't that bad, just short of 1 in 3, also sometimes it doesn't actually tell the whole story, how many games did he actually start, how many were appearances from the bench, how many actual minutes did he actually play? I think a better way to look at it is how many minutes per goal rather than games, I think that'll be a fairer reflection. If a player plays a full 90 minutes and another just comes on for the final 10, it's still classed as 1 game isn't it.
|
|
|
Post by pucklegas on Jul 4, 2022 20:54:56 GMT
Great signing could do a GGMI and try and find my previous comments about him 😂, two footed good in the air, was on fire at Donny, lost his way at pompey, ala Connor Chaplin, Tyler Walker, Ellis Harrison, for some reason strikers struggle there.
I'm really excited about this signing, get Connor T back, Luke Thomas and announce the return of derby days.
|
|
|
Post by fintanstack on Jul 4, 2022 21:00:30 GMT
What you doing Joseph? We should be signing 35 years plus players, didn't do us any harm last season. He's hardly a replacement for Pitman or Clarke. He is a replacement in terms of a wage and a squad place. No one knows how it will work out but he should be a definite improvement on both Pitman and Clarke so I cannot understand what is not to like.
|
|
|
Post by lavalamp on Jul 4, 2022 21:09:02 GMT
What you doing Joseph? We should be signing 35 years plus players, didn't do us any harm last season. He's hardly a replacement for Pitman or Clarke. He is a replacement in terms of a wage and a squad place. No one knows how it will work out but he should be a definite improvement on both Pitman and Clarke so I cannot understand what is not to like. Don't get me wrong I don't like this signing...I love it! ☺️ Can't understand people saying at 30 his legs have probably gone and yet we have signed even older players before. 🤷♂️
|
|
|
Post by Topper Gas on Jul 4, 2022 21:13:16 GMT
JCH was a lot younger than JM and unlike him hadn't previously had a history of scoring goals. There's some reason he had a poor season last season, either he's lost his touch or he just played in two poor teams. His record at Portsmouth of 28 goals in 93 league games isn't that bad, just short of 1 in 3, also sometimes it doesn't actually tell the whole story, how many games did he actually start, how many were appearances from the bench, how many actual minutes did he actually play? I think a better way to look at it is how many minutes per goal rather than games, I think that'll be a fairer reflection. If a player plays a full 90 minutes and another just comes on for the final 10, it's still classed as 1 game isn't it. Pompey have become the Bradford of L1, it's hard to understand why they are not challenging at the top of the table with the size of their attendances/spending power, perhaps JM just lost his way as the club did likewise. Pretty certain JM would have played regularly for Lincoln last season, but they were also a struggling outfit.
|
|
|
Post by GasAttacK on Jul 4, 2022 21:32:59 GMT
Last season was a tad disappointing by his high standards but prior to that his record is very good.
2016/17 - 26 Goals, 48 Appearances (L2, Doncaster) 2017/18 - 15 Goals, 51 Appearances (L1, Doncaster) 2018/19 - 26 Goals, 54 Appearances (L1, Doncaster) 2019/20 - 14 Goals, 48 Appearances (L1, Portsmouth) 2020/21 - 18 Goals, 49 Appearances (L1, Portsmouth) 2021/22 - 09 Goals, 44 Appearances (L1, Portsmouth & Lincoln)
He's made 294 appearances in the past 6 years so managers obviously rate him and he's rarely injured.
No reason to think he's over the hill. He only turned 30 in May, so if he only stays 2 seasons he'll still be 31 when he plays his last game for Rovers.
Norwood has less L1 experience, hasn't made more than 32 appearances in any of the past 3 seasons and his best goal return in L1 is 11. He's also 18 months older.
Personally, based on the stats and the little I've seen of the 2 players, I'd take Marquis over Norwood.
|
|
|
Post by frattonender on Jul 4, 2022 21:39:15 GMT
I dont follow players from other clubs or other clubs as a whole. But John Marquis is a name I’m familiar with. Question is, is he another Brett Pittman style signing? I hope so. When 30 Pitman was one of the top scorers in League 1 with over 20 goals and a decent haul the following season as well for Pompey. Something like 35+ goals in 70/80 Pompey performances. If Marquis does that for us It could be a very exciting time! UTG!
That season with us Pitman was only 28/29 (birthday during the season) but his legs had arguably already gone/had never been there - it just became more evident as time moved on. Trust me, at this stage, Marquis is a different kettle of fish.
|
|
|
Post by frattonender on Jul 4, 2022 21:47:51 GMT
JCH was a lot younger than JM and unlike him hadn't previously had a history of scoring goals. There's some reason he had a poor season last season, either he's lost his touch or he just played in two poor teams. His record at Portsmouth of 28 goals in 93 league games isn't that bad, just short of 1 in 3, also sometimes it doesn't actually tell the whole story, how many games did he actually start, how many were appearances from the bench, how many actual minutes did he actually play? I think a better way to look at it is how many minutes per goal rather than games, I think that'll be a fairer reflection. If a player plays a full 90 minutes and another just comes on for the final 10, it's still classed as 1 game isn't it.
A lot of starts, particularly in the first two seasons - and his goalscoring record there was pretty good (and I say that as someone who wasn't a massive fan).
During that period (first two seasons) my sense was that we didn't quite have the right blend of players to get the best out of him. My sense (again, only that - so not fact) was that he lost a lot of confidence and that he didn't fit with the change of management prior to last season.
My gut says that he and Barton could work very well together. As I said in an earlier post I don't think you need to worry about his legs going at this stage.
|
|
|
Post by piratesfchhh on Jul 4, 2022 22:01:27 GMT
Not loving this signing. Not the best record and rumours he loves himself a bit too much. I'm sure JB knows what he's doing though I asked a Millwall fan about that, and they said that there was never any evidence of that when he was with them. Having reflected on the post I think it was wrong of me to bring rumour and hear say up about someone's character. Perhaps forgetting the importance of positivity and the impact things like this can have on peoples mental health Apologies John, welcome to the gas. I hope you smash it
|
|
|
Post by warehamgas on Jul 4, 2022 22:15:12 GMT
I hope so. When 30 Pitman was one of the top scorers in League 1 with over 20 goals and a decent haul the following season as well for Pompey. Something like 35+ goals in 70/80 Pompey performances. If Marquis does that for us It could be a very exciting time! UTG!
That season with us Pitman was only 28/29 (birthday during the season) but his legs had arguably already gone/had never been there - it just became more evident as time moved on. Trust me, at this stage, Marquis is a different kettle of fish.
Brett Pitman dob 31.1.88. Was 30 on 31.1.18. Season 2017-18 (the season in which he had his 30th birthday) was his first at Pompey and he made 38 appearances with 24 goals. Season 2018-19 (the season in which he had his 31st birthday), his second, 32 appearances and 11 goals. So I hope John Marquis is as prolific as BP was at approximately the same age. And if JM is “a different kettle of fish” then that will be a shame! (He may well be a different kind if striker of course.) Having seen BP sign on as a schoolboy on the pitch at Dean Court you tend to follow his progress over the years, including helping AFCB promotion to the PL. Most strikers can only dream about a career as successful as BP across all 3 EFL divisions. But, to keep to the point of JM, I am looking forward to seeing a genuine No.9, with good experience and a good age, play a significant part in a successful League 1 season for all us gasheads! UTG!
|
|
|
Post by Gastafari on Jul 4, 2022 22:21:10 GMT
His record at Portsmouth of 28 goals in 93 league games isn't that bad, just short of 1 in 3, also sometimes it doesn't actually tell the whole story, how many games did he actually start, how many were appearances from the bench, how many actual minutes did he actually play? I think a better way to look at it is how many minutes per goal rather than games, I think that'll be a fairer reflection. If a player plays a full 90 minutes and another just comes on for the final 10, it's still classed as 1 game isn't it.
A lot of starts, particularly in the first two seasons - and his goalscoring record there was pretty good (and I say that as someone who wasn't a massive fan).
During that period (first two seasons) my sense was that we didn't quite have the right blend of players to get the best out of him. My sense (again, only that - so not fact) was that he lost a lot of confidence and that he didn't fit with the change of management prior to last season.
My gut says that he and Barton could work very well together. As I said in an earlier post I don't think you need to worry about his legs going at this stage.
Joeys recruitment has been absolutely superb, apart from 1 or 2 every one of his signings have excelled whether loans or permanent. I mentioned on another thread the other day, I believe he does his homework on players thoroughly, so he doesn't just look at ability, he'll look at fitness, character, background, lifestyle etc to see whether they can fit right into the squad straight away. It's no coincidence that they've all bought into his philosophy. I am sure Marquis will be no different.
|
|
|
Post by wertongas on Jul 4, 2022 22:23:49 GMT
A very good signing, cost Portsmouth nearly 2 million and a few years later we are getting him on a free that can't be bad business. Out of the strikers available at this level out of contract there are none that are better than Marquis, when ever we play against a team that has him in their side I think this is going to be a tough game and it nearly always is. Put it another way I would rather we were playing with him in our team than against him.
|
|
|
Post by singupgas on Jul 4, 2022 22:25:59 GMT
Great, like this a load, needed some good news after yesterday , all out war in our household 😂 Gotta a Geoff Bradford haircut too , that’ll do fur me 👍🏼 Where can I get that scarf??
|
|
|
Post by frattonender on Jul 4, 2022 22:39:14 GMT
That season with us Pitman was only 28/29 (birthday during the season) but his legs had arguably already gone/had never been there - it just became more evident as time moved on. Trust me, at this stage, Marquis is a different kettle of fish.
Brett Pitman dob 31.1.88. Was 30 on 31.1.18. Season 2017-18 (the season in which he had his 30th birthday) was his first at Pompey and he made 38 appearances with 24 goals. Season 2018-19 (the season in which he had his 31st birthday), his second, 32 appearances and 11 goals. So I hope John Marquis is as prolific as BP was at approximately the same age. And if JM is “a different kettle of fish” then that will be a shame! (He may well be a different kind if striker of course.) Having seen BP sign on as a schoolboy on the pitch at Dean Court you tend to follow his progress over the years, including helping AFCB promotion to the PL. Most strikers can only dream about a career as successful as BP across all 3 EFL divisions. But, to keep to the point of JM, I am looking forward to seeing a genuine No.9, with good experience and a good age, play a significant part in a successful League 1 season for all us gasheads!I was comp
You're right on the age - Pitman was 29 when he signed for Pompey - but my point about his 'legs' doesn't change - and I'm fairly sure you all witnessed that last season :-)
I hope my posts earlier about Marquis came across correctly - i.e. he was a (relative) flop at Pompey - but that I think he could work well with Barton if he's played to his strengths.
|
|
|
Post by daniel300380 on Jul 4, 2022 22:47:24 GMT
Shocked by the negativity - great signing IMO. knows where the net is, regularly scored goals - at 30 still a few years left in him too. Great singing IMO. 9 goals last season hardly makes him a great signing, he's now only had one good goal scoring season in 3 seasons, it's really anybody's guess if he can rediscover his past form. Personally I'd have felt more confident in Norwood getting the goals. He's scored 33 league goals over the last 3 season, compared to Norwood's 29. He's scored more league 1 goals in his career than Norwood. He's two years younger than Norwood. Probably not much between the player's. Out of interest, why would you be more confident in Norwood getting the goals??? Has he ever scored a lot of goals at League 1 level? He at least gives us a different option. Would have been happy with either of them signing.
|
|
|
Post by Wembley_Gas on Jul 4, 2022 23:39:26 GMT
Great, like this a load, needed some good news after yesterday , all out war in our household 😂 Gotta a Geoff Bradford haircut too , that’ll do fur me 👍🏼 Where can I get that scarf?? It was given out free to those of us who attended the 2nd May celebration dinner the night before the Scunthorpe game. A great night reminiscing with former players. John Kayes was the main man behind it so he may have some spares.
|
|