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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 4, 2022 20:33:14 GMT
Lose cannon? I'm sure they'd rather win games than play for a cannon that keeps losing too. Also 22 other L1 clubs? What's happened to one of the teams in our league then, am I missing something? And like Tilly said plenty of ex players want to play under him again. Would they, think I'd sooner play (work anyway) for a manager who treated me with respect, if this is the Barton we see in public then you do wonder what goes on behind closed doors. Your missing the fact the 23rd club is Rovers!! Some people like working for managers we'd never work with, it doesn't mean the majority would work with them, there must be a reason we're struggling to sign so many players, it can't just all be down to JB hoping to get the best deals. Who are the 24th club then?
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 4, 2022 20:34:36 GMT
Up and down the country over paid, useless, disruptive or injury prone players have taken clubs for a ride.
We finally have a manager who does what we have all wanted and people still moan.
Rodman has been a good professional but is a waste of money with his injury record.
Westbrooke is not fit for purpose.
There has obviously been a falling out with Clarke.
The manager MUST be Number one. End of story.
We are no worse off without them.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2022 20:37:35 GMT
Let's call it for what it is. Incompetent management We’ve just got promoted ffs. Let’s see what comes of it. Clarke is weird. The other two most supporters would have got shot of in the summer anyway. Perhaps g and e but let’s face it had Garner or Tis done something similar there would have been a meltdown on here. JB has got a promotion on his record and that gives him some credit but tbh the Clarke decision is bizarre. UTG!
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 4, 2022 20:39:11 GMT
Lose cannon? I'm sure they'd rather win games than play for a cannon that keeps losing too. Also 22 other L1 clubs? What's happened to one of the teams in our league then, am I missing something? And like Tilly said plenty of ex players want to play under him again. Would they, think I'd sooner play (work anyway) for a manager who treated me with respect, if this is the Barton we see in public then you do wonder what goes on behind closed doors. Your missing the fact the 23rd club is Rovers!! Some people like working for managers we'd never work with, it doesn't mean the majority would work with them, there must be a reason we're struggling to sign so many players, it can't just all be down to JB hoping to get the best deals. While not comparable in terms of success, Ferguson was a complete bastard. Most successful managers are.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 4, 2022 20:41:16 GMT
We’ve just got promoted ffs. Let’s see what comes of it. Clarke is weird. The other two most supporters would have got shot of in the summer anyway. Perhaps g and e but let’s face it had Garner or Tis done something similar there would have been a meltdown on here. JB has got a promotion on his record and that gives him some credit but tbh the Clarke decision is bizarre. UTG! And rightly so. But as you’ve pointed out, they left rovers in a much worse place than they inherited it without any success. We can argue on this board until the sun goes down over as to if JB was responsible for relegation but he got us back to where we should be. He has earned a bit of trust. Whilst the Clarke situation is a bit exceptional, even DC made an odd decision here or there. Remember him being put down for the way the way he treated McChrystal and Easter for instance.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Aug 4, 2022 20:48:41 GMT
Would have been a good response had we just had our first pre season game. We’re about to play the second game of the season, haven’t signed anyone in over a month, and the manager has just thrown his toys out crying about a player not being good enough who’s contract he extended himself only 2/3 months ago?! Not good enoughSeems to me 4 posters are chucking their toys out the pram having been desperate to do so for a while but have been grossly disappointed that a promotion under extreme circumstances having been achieved. Come back in September when the window has closed and complain then. Plenty of business still to be done. Things looked gloomy last September. Come May it looked rosy. So, does anyone know the details of the 2-year contract that Clarke was offered? What clauses were included, was there any kind of probationary period, “cooling-off” prior, or conditions that would need to be fulfilled? Any compensatory agreements to cover the ending of the contract by player or club?Or anything else that might enable the contract to be terminated this quickly? Anyone? No? Thought not. Perhaps it’s best to leave off the speculation and see what happens next . . . 🤔
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 4, 2022 20:49:08 GMT
Remember all that momentum and positivity surrounding the club following promotion? Not for the first time it's been totally extinguished over a disastrous summer, with club management seamlessly transitioning from one debacle to the next! UTG
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Post by sodburygas on Aug 4, 2022 20:50:08 GMT
Rodman is a fraud of a player he’s been so looked after here, can’t believe people haven’t turned on him. Clarke is a mistake but not as costly as Westbrooke can’t wait for all three to go Rodman - you won't find a player who takes his own health and fitness more seriously, he's the club's Education Ambassador and does a lot of work for the CT, when he's not in the squad he always attends games (players are not obliged to), he attended all the pre-season games and helped out behind the scenes, managers who have worked with him describe him as a model professional. How is any of that fruadulent and why would supporters turn on him? To suggest Rodman who for well over a year has had lots of different injuries, takes his fitness more seriously than the likes of Glenn Whelan is laughable. Rodman was on the golf course a lot in that time and then appeared on the clubs media day posing with a golf club and laughing about it. Fine if he was fit but he is injured yet again. Tilly I appreciate you obviously have a friendship with Rodman and unfortunately I think that is clouding your judgement. If Rodman is a model professional he will have no problem getting another league 1 club. Really hope you are well Tilly and still fighting your illness.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2022 20:59:24 GMT
Seems to me 4 posters are chucking their toys out the pram having been desperate to do so for a while but have been grossly disappointed that a promotion under extreme circumstances having been achieved. Come back in September when the window has closed and complain then. Plenty of business still to be done. Things looked gloomy last September. Come May it looked rosy. So, does anyone know the details of the 2-year contract that Clarke was offered? What clauses were included, was there any kind of probationary period, “cooling-off” prior, or conditions that would need to be fulfilled? Any compensatory agreements to cover the ending of the contract by player or club?Or anything else that might enable the contract to be terminated this quickly? Anyone? No? Thought not. Perhaps it’s best to leave off the speculation and see what happens next . . . 🤔 What are you talking about we haven't just signed a finance agreement, how can we have a cooling off period for a player already on our books, we all know what happens next either TC will go out on loan or the club will announce he's left by mutual consent i.e. in other words he's took a pay off.
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Post by rainhamgas on Aug 4, 2022 21:02:26 GMT
More speculation and conjecture on here than 604 pages of the stadium talk thread….
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 4, 2022 21:02:43 GMT
Gives Clarke a new contract, then bizarrely throws him under the bus and now has to get rid just so he doesn’t look stupid. Christ Its Wopper time
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 4, 2022 21:05:04 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Aug 4, 2022 21:05:26 GMT
Professional football is a cut throat business and Barton has to live or die by his decisions . Clarke might of been a bad call to give him a new deal but if he thinks it was on reflection it’s better to end it now than let it drag on . There’s little room for sentiment.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 4, 2022 21:12:30 GMT
Rodman - you won't find a player who takes his own health and fitness more seriously, he's the club's Education Ambassador and does a lot of work for the CT, when he's not in the squad he always attends games (players are not obliged to), he attended all the pre-season games and helped out behind the scenes, managers who have worked with him describe him as a model professional. How is any of that fruadulent and why would supporters turn on him? To suggest Rodman who for well over a year has had lots of different injuries, takes his fitness more seriously than the likes of Glenn Whelan is laughable. Rodman was on the golf course a lot in that time and then appeared on the clubs media day posing with a golf club and laughing about it. Fine if he was fit but he is injured yet again. Tilly I appreciate you obviously have a friendship with Rodman and unfortunately I think that is clouding your judgement. If Rodman is a model professional he will have no problem getting another league 1 club. Really hope you are well Tilly and still fighting your illness. I'm not suggesting it - I know that it's a fact, taking your health and fitness seriously does not guarantee that you will not have injuries or illness. He always keeps to the club rules about playing golf during the season, i.e. have to use a buggy at certain times of the week etc, as do the other first teamers who play regularly. Do you think that the golf club meme was his own idea - the media team obviously should have told him to look sad when they filmed it. Yes, I am well, thank you - part way through my radiotherapy sessions at the moment. The NHS is amazing - we are so lucky to have it.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 4, 2022 21:13:27 GMT
Professional football is a cut throat business and Barton has to live or die by his decisions . Clarke might of been a bad call to give him a new deal but if he thinks it was on reflection it’s better to end it now than let it drag on . There’s little room for sentiment. Very true, it can be brutal and players are used to that.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 4, 2022 21:18:23 GMT
Clarke is the one I feel sorry for, it looks like he worked hard to keep his fitness over the summer. Imagine thinking that you had the security of a contract for a couple of years, and next minute you're surplus to requirements.
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Post by pirate on Aug 4, 2022 21:24:26 GMT
Clearing the decks to offer pathways for the next generation and has invited some of the U18s to train with the first team, but then goes on to talk about signing up to 8 players.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2022 21:25:43 GMT
Clarke is the one I feel sorry for, it looks like he worked hard to keep his fitness over the summer. Imagine thinking that you had the security of a contract for a couple of years, and next minute you're surplus to requirements. He's probably still got that security, he's just now got the hassle of finding a new club.
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Post by aghast on Aug 4, 2022 21:31:49 GMT
Rodman and Clarke didn't deserve that treatment. Joey has a very ruthless approach, which is fine in private perhaps but not publicly. He speaks and acts first and thinks later. Sometimes that's ok but not in this case.
He could have said anything he liked to them in private but tell the media that now we are in a higher league he realises he needs to up the standard of his squad, and sadly some won't make the cut, but he wishes them well.
There are many ways of being a successful people manager without being a bit of a twat.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2022 21:41:07 GMT
Professional football is a cut throat business and Barton has to live or die by his decisions . Clarke might of been a bad call to give him a new deal but if he thinks it was on reflection it’s better to end it now than let it drag on . There’s little room for sentiment. You’re absolutely correct, there is little room for sentiment. But as we found out with Kyle Bennett, Payne, Burn and others we may want to get rid of players but contracts have to be honoured whatever we think. Getting rid may be harder than just saying you can go. This may well drag on. UTG!
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