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Post by baggins on Sept 13, 2022 10:31:56 GMT
Meanwhile, why the kill the bill protests were important. "Scotland Yard says people "absolutely have a right to protest" about the monarchy after a man carrying a blank piece of paper was told he might "offend someone". Suppression, in the name of a "Monarchy" And so it came to pass The Metropolitan Police issued a statement after a barrister, Paul Powlesland, filmed an altercation he had with an officer in Parliament Square. The 36-year-old can be heard saying: "Why would you ask for my details?" The officer replies: "So I can check and make sure you can be here. You've already said you've been arrested once." Mr Powlesland responds: "No, I said other people had been arrested. I was holding up a blank sign. Why are you asking for me details?" The officer says: "Because you said you were going to write stuff on it that may offend people." Mr Powlesland says: "I said I was going to write 'not my king' on a sign." The officer replies: "You may offend someone." Mr Powlesland said the officer told him he risked being arrested if he had gone ahead and written "not my king" on the paper."
Do these people have nothing better to do other than stand outside for hours on end just to hold a sign up that the majority of people wont take a second look at.
Only when they've been un-glued from the M25. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 11:31:12 GMT
Do these people have nothing better to do other than stand outside for hours on end just to hold a sign up that the majority of people wont take a second look at.
Only when they've been un-glued from the M25. Dissent? We brook no dissent. Oh, and could the young person's all wear the same coloured shirt. |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 13, 2022 12:16:40 GMT
It's an interesting question,should we also then take back the lands etc owned by the Aristocracy,if you consider the Duke of Westminster his enormous wealth is generated from his massive land holdings. How would that work? Easy Yes. Inherited wealth accumulated by ancient feudalism is unacceptable in a modern democratic society. Don't disagree but what would be the mechanism? |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 13, 2022 12:18:17 GMT
And before we get the "but they pay tax" comments, "The Prince pays Income Tax voluntarily on the surplus of the Duchy of Cornwall, after official expenditure has been deducted at the highest rate, which was 45 per cent in 2016-17, resulting in a total of £4.8million (including an element of VAT)." Voluntarily 😱😱😱 Can I go on that scheme please? No😊😊 |
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 12:48:44 GMT
Easy Yes. Inherited wealth accumulated by ancient feudalism is unacceptable in a modern democratic society. Don't disagree but what would be the mechanism? Confiscate by Act of Parliament |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 13, 2022 15:48:50 GMT
Don't disagree but what would be the mechanism? Confiscate by Act of Parliament I forsee a long drawn out law suit 😊😊 |
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Post by Gassy on Sept 13, 2022 16:00:26 GMT
Let’s be honest Oldie, that guy was there to cause an argument. Whilst the officer was wrong to threaten arrest, I think it’s right that at such a somber moment he’s advised to leave or be quiet. Causing civil unrest can be a huge pain and should be managed by the police proactively.
If we were relegated and a city fan was stood outside the Mem in his city shirt with a sign saying “one team in Bristol”, he’d be removed to quickly it’s unreal. And rightly so.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 13, 2022 16:04:16 GMT
Let’s be honest Oldie, that guy was there to cause an argument. Whilst the officer was wrong to threaten arrest, I think it’s right that at such a somber moment he’s advised to leave or be quiet. Causing civil unrest can be a huge pain and should be managed by the police proactively. If we were relegated and a city fan was stood outside the Mem in his city shirt with a sign saying “one team in Bristol”, he’d be removed to quickly it’s unreal. And rightly so. Free speech is free speech , you can’t pick & choose when it’s allowed . |
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Post by Gassy on Sept 13, 2022 16:04:54 GMT
Let’s be honest Oldie, that guy was there to cause an argument. Whilst the officer was wrong to threaten arrest, I think it’s right that at such a somber moment he’s advised to leave or be quiet. Causing civil unrest can be a huge pain and should be managed by the police proactively. If we were relegated and a city fan was stood outside the Mem in his city shirt with a sign saying “one team in Bristol”, he’d be removed to quickly it’s unreal. And rightly so. Free speech is free speech , you can’t pick & choose when it’s allowed . Yes you can. Racism is illegal. Free speech doesn’t exist. |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 13, 2022 16:10:54 GMT
Free speech is free speech , you can’t pick & choose when it’s allowed . Yes you can. Racism is illegal. Free speech doesn’t exist. Holding up a sign saying not my king can no way be compared to racism which is an offence on its own . |
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Post by fintanstack on Sept 13, 2022 16:46:37 GMT
Yes you can. Racism is illegal. Free speech doesn’t exist. Holding up a sign saying not my king can no way be compared to racism which is an offence on its own . What about the arrest of the guy calling Andrew a pedophile? They definitely locked the wrong one up. |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 13, 2022 16:52:10 GMT
Holding up a sign saying not my king can no way be compared to racism which is an offence on its own . What about the arrest of the guy calling Andrew a pedophile? They definitely locked the wrong one up. Yep , the two blokes who manhandled the bloke by almost throwing him onto the floor should of been arrested for assault. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 16:54:59 GMT
Let’s be honest Oldie, that guy was there to cause an argument. Whilst the officer was wrong to threaten arrest, I think it’s right that at such a somber moment he’s advised to leave or be quiet. Causing civil unrest can be a huge pain and should be managed by the police proactively. If we were relegated and a city fan was stood outside the Mem in his city shirt with a sign saying “one team in Bristol”, he’d be removed to quickly it’s unreal. And rightly so. Every passing of a life is a sombre moment for someone or some family. One family or person has no greater claim over another in this regard. Which is the difference between us I suspect. Personally I do not see the need to be more sombre over the passing of Elizabeth than I do of any other person who has passed to whom I am not related to or friends with. |
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Post by Gassy on Sept 13, 2022 19:46:11 GMT
Let’s be honest Oldie, that guy was there to cause an argument. Whilst the officer was wrong to threaten arrest, I think it’s right that at such a somber moment he’s advised to leave or be quiet. Causing civil unrest can be a huge pain and should be managed by the police proactively. If we were relegated and a city fan was stood outside the Mem in his city shirt with a sign saying “one team in Bristol”, he’d be removed to quickly it’s unreal. And rightly so. Every passing of a life is a sombre moment for someone or some family. One family or person has no greater claim over another in this regard. Which is the difference between us I suspect. Personally I do not see the need to be more sombre over the passing of Elizabeth than I do of any other person who has passed to whom I am not related to or friends with. Ok so put it another way - if at a friends funeral called John, there’s someone’s holding a sign saying “I never liked John” do you think he should be removed from the funeral or just let them cause trouble? What do you think about my Bristol city example above? |
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Post by Big Jock on Sept 13, 2022 19:52:58 GMT
Her majesty’s back in Buckingham Palace tonight, just in time ta witness all th impeccable minutes silence observed a cross th country at our football grounds, including of course our own fans/team at Portman Road 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼  |
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 19:56:03 GMT
Every passing of a life is a sombre moment for someone or some family. One family or person has no greater claim over another in this regard. Which is the difference between us I suspect. Personally I do not see the need to be more sombre over the passing of Elizabeth than I do of any other person who has passed to whom I am not related to or friends with. Ok so put it another way - if at a friends funeral called John, there’s someone’s holding a sign saying “I never liked John” do you think he should be removed from the funeral or just let them cause trouble? What do you think about my Bristol city example above? If "John" had been in a position of authority, one which that had been enabled by an historical feudal system and was still supported by tax payer money, I could understand someone making a point. |
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Post by fintanstack on Sept 13, 2022 20:13:01 GMT
Every passing of a life is a sombre moment for someone or some family. One family or person has no greater claim over another in this regard. Which is the difference between us I suspect. Personally I do not see the need to be more sombre over the passing of Elizabeth than I do of any other person who has passed to whom I am not related to or friends with. Ok so put it another way - if at a friends funeral called John, there’s someone’s holding a sign saying “I never liked John” do you think he should be removed from the funeral or just let them cause trouble? What do you think about my Bristol city example above? Depends on what John had done. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2022 20:23:00 GMT
Everyone has the right to dignity in death, as do the family members who have a right to grieve.
If we are not to be more sombre then surely we shouldn't be less either.
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 20:29:34 GMT
Everyone has the right to dignity in death, as do the family members who have a right to grieve. If we are not to be more sombre then surely we shouldn't be less either. Absolutely. But if you choose to put yourself at the epicenter of UK public life, well... Btw, I paid for my wife's funeral and everything we did around that. Who is paying for Elizabeth's week-long do? |
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Post by fintanstack on Sept 13, 2022 20:31:09 GMT
Everyone has the right to dignity in death, as do the family members who have a right to grieve. If we are not to be more sombre then surely we shouldn't be less either. I do not believe everyone has the right to dignity in death. The Queen probably does, but I am not totally certain of that. I can think of a number of people both alive and passed where I could happily do a jig at their funeral and not have any remorse. |
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