|
|
Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 12, 2022 17:11:21 GMT
Very emotional watching the procession making it's way up the Royal Mile.
|
|
|
|
Post by trevorgas on Sept 12, 2022 18:01:46 GMT
Keep them but stop paying them. The Queen was one of the richest women in the world, all the while sticking her hand out for tax payers money. Charles is now one of the richest men in the world and William is said to have taken over a multi billion slice of the family pie. We don't really pay them, the Sovereign Grant is to cover the expenses of being Head of State, that would remain regardless. Remain and reform, now where did I see that before?? 😇 I think I'm right in saying that the Monarch gives up ALL the income from Crown Estates in exchange for the Sovereign grant,is that a net gain or loss to the Exchequer? |
|
|
|
Post by francegas on Sept 12, 2022 18:02:17 GMT
So lets stop funding the Sovereign Grant.
Just wondering what I'll spend my saving of £1.29 a year on....maybe a kit kat bar.
Just a question who funds the president's salary, who pays for up keep of the presidential palaces, who paid €600,000 on flowers for the Elysee Palace when it was closed to the public during covid?
Yep the tax payer.
|
|
yattongas
Forum Legend
Posts: 15,451 
Member is Online
|
Post by yattongas on Sept 12, 2022 18:46:01 GMT
So lets stop funding the Sovereign Grant. Just wondering what I'll spend my saving of £1.29 a year on....maybe a kit kat bar. Just a question who funds the president's salary, who pays for up keep of the presidential palaces, who paid €600,000 on flowers for the Elysee Palace when it was closed to the public during covid? Yep the tax payer. You won’t save anything as you live in France 😎 |
|
|
|
Post by fintanstack on Sept 12, 2022 19:12:13 GMT
So lets stop funding the Sovereign Grant. Just wondering what I'll spend my saving of £1.29 a year on....maybe a kit kat bar. Just a question who funds the president's salary, who pays for up keep of the presidential palaces, who paid €600,000 on flowers for the Elysee Palace when it was closed to the public during covid? Yep the tax payer. Well if it is such a small amount, they will not miss it will they? |
|
|
|
Post by francegas on Sept 12, 2022 19:51:53 GMT
So lets stop funding the Sovereign Grant. Just wondering what I'll spend my saving of £1.29 a year on....maybe a kit kat bar. Just a question who funds the president's salary, who pays for up keep of the presidential palaces, who paid €600,000 on flowers for the Elysee Palace when it was closed to the public during covid? Yep the tax payer. You won’t save anything as you live in France 😎 Still pay some taxes in the UK |
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2022 21:37:44 GMT
We don't really pay them, the Sovereign Grant is to cover the expenses of being Head of State, that would remain regardless. Remain and reform, now where did I see that before?? 😇 I think I'm right in saying that the Monarch gives up ALL the income from Crown Estates in exchange for the Sovereign grant,is that a net gain or loss to the Exchequer? Incorrect "The Duchy of Lancaster is the private estate of the British sovereign as Duke of Lancaster. The principal purpose of the estate is to provide a source of independent income to the sovereign. The estate consists of a portfolio of lands, properties and assets held in trust for the sovereign and is administered separately from the Crown Estate.The duchy consists of 18,433 ha (45,550 acres) of land holdings (including rural estates and farmland), urban developments, historic buildings and some commercial properties across England and Wales, particularly in Cheshire, Staffordshire, Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Lancashire and the Savoy Estate in London. The Duchy of Lancaster is one of two royal duchies: the other is the Duchy of Cornwall, which provides income to the Duke of Cornwall, which is traditionally held by the Prince of Wales." We should take all that back with immediate effect. Or, after next Sunday. |
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2022 21:44:11 GMT
Not so sure. Speaking to my age group (nearly dead) we are heartily watered off with the wall to wall, repetitive, coverage since Friday. As I said previously, with her passing the ballast may well be removed from the system of monarchy. Let's hope so. Well actually I'm fascinated by the whole thing,the tradition, language,protocols and ritual,not to mention the pageantary,how boring to have another vanilla country with a president. We can all be aware, even educated, of and in our history. We do a huge disservice however to our children and grandchildren in forcing them to live, in real time, in our past. The site of grown adults dressed up in ridiculous costumes prancing around and making silly speeches is hugely embarrassing for a modern developed country. |
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,542
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 12, 2022 21:56:27 GMT
I think I'm right in saying that the Monarch gives up ALL the income from Crown Estates in exchange for the Sovereign grant,is that a net gain or loss to the Exchequer? Incorrect "The Duchy of Lancaster is the private estate of the British sovereign as Duke of Lancaster. The principal purpose of the estate is to provide a source of independent income to the sovereign. The estate consists of a portfolio of lands, properties and assets held in trust for the sovereign and is administered separately from the Crown Estate.The duchy consists of 18,433 ha (45,550 acres) of land holdings (including rural estates and farmland), urban developments, historic buildings and some commercial properties across England and Wales, particularly in Cheshire, Staffordshire, Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Lancashire and the Savoy Estate in London. The Duchy of Lancaster is one of two royal duchies: the other is the Duchy of Cornwall, which provides income to the Duke of Cornwall, which is traditionally held by the Prince of Wales." We should take all that back with immediate effect. Or, after next Sunday. We already have, it's held in Trust and administered by the Chairman of the Duchy of Lancaster, a Cabinet post. The profits go to the Sovereign, after tax, but the Estate can't be sold. It's a way to make the Sovereign financially independent of government and not beholden to them. It allows the King or Queen to remain apolitical. |
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,542
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 12, 2022 21:58:52 GMT
Well actually I'm fascinated by the whole thing,the tradition, language,protocols and ritual,not to mention the pageantary,how boring to have another vanilla country with a president. We can all be aware, even educated, of and in our history. We do a huge disservice however to our children and grandchildren in forcing them to live, in real time, in our past. The site of grown adults dressed up in ridiculous costumes prancing around and making silly speeches is hugely embarrassing for a modern developed country. Plenty of countries, even Republics, have similar. We aren't unique in the trappings of pageantry although I do think we ought to scale it back. |
|
|
|
Post by aghast on Sept 12, 2022 23:00:44 GMT
One thing that is beginning to grate with me a bit is the constant reference to 'Service' in all the speeches. It's endless at the moment. I did admire the Queen for the way she did her job, but she was not in service, and neither is Charles nor any of the other lot.
They are not here to serve us,let's be frank about it. We, the taxpayers, are here to serve them, or at the very least fund them so they can carry on their lives and roles, the importance of which are up for debate.
In my opinion they know this very well, and sometimes must feel a little guilty when taking tea from a servant in one of their palaces, but hey ho.
They are what they are, but they are not here to serve the British people. They are here to preserve themselves.
|
|
|
|
Post by trevorgas on Sept 13, 2022 7:10:47 GMT
Well actually I'm fascinated by the whole thing,the tradition, language,protocols and ritual,not to mention the pageantary,how boring to have another vanilla country with a president. We can all be aware, even educated, of and in our history. We do a huge disservice however to our children and grandchildren in forcing them to live, in real time, in our past. The site of grown adults dressed up in ridiculous costumes prancing around and making silly speeches is hugely embarrassing for a modern developed country. That's your opinion Les which I respect,we will have to disagree on this one. |
|
|
|
Post by trevorgas on Sept 13, 2022 7:17:33 GMT
Incorrect "The Duchy of Lancaster is the private estate of the British sovereign as Duke of Lancaster. The principal purpose of the estate is to provide a source of independent income to the sovereign. The estate consists of a portfolio of lands, properties and assets held in trust for the sovereign and is administered separately from the Crown Estate.The duchy consists of 18,433 ha (45,550 acres) of land holdings (including rural estates and farmland), urban developments, historic buildings and some commercial properties across England and Wales, particularly in Cheshire, Staffordshire, Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Lancashire and the Savoy Estate in London. The Duchy of Lancaster is one of two royal duchies: the other is the Duchy of Cornwall, which provides income to the Duke of Cornwall, which is traditionally held by the Prince of Wales." We should take all that back with immediate effect. Or, after next Sunday. We already have, it's held in Trust and administered by the Chairman of the Duchy of Lancaster, a Cabinet post. The profits go to the Sovereign, after tax, but the Estate can't be sold. It's a way to make the Sovereign financially independent of government and not beholden to them. It allows the King or Queen to remain apolitical. It's an interesting question,should we also then take back the lands etc owned by the Aristocracy,if you consider the Duke of Westminster his enormous wealth is generated from his massive land holdings. How would that work? |
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 8:41:44 GMT
Incorrect "The Duchy of Lancaster is the private estate of the British sovereign as Duke of Lancaster. The principal purpose of the estate is to provide a source of independent income to the sovereign. The estate consists of a portfolio of lands, properties and assets held in trust for the sovereign and is administered separately from the Crown Estate.The duchy consists of 18,433 ha (45,550 acres) of land holdings (including rural estates and farmland), urban developments, historic buildings and some commercial properties across England and Wales, particularly in Cheshire, Staffordshire, Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Lancashire and the Savoy Estate in London. The Duchy of Lancaster is one of two royal duchies: the other is the Duchy of Cornwall, which provides income to the Duke of Cornwall, which is traditionally held by the Prince of Wales." We should take all that back with immediate effect. Or, after next Sunday. We already have, it's held in Trust and administered by the Chairman of the Duchy of Lancaster, a Cabinet post. The profits go to the Sovereign, after tax, but the Estate can't be sold. It's a way to make the Sovereign financially independent of government and not beholden to them. It allows the King or Queen to remain apolitical. That's an administrative sop. The reality, above all the details of taxpayer funding, the so called Prince of Wales earned £21 million last year from the Duchy of Cornwall. That's our land, our money. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/duchy-of-cornwall-estate-worth-1bn-passes-to-prince-williamTake it back. |
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 8:45:20 GMT
And before we get the "but they pay tax" comments,
"The Prince pays Income Tax voluntarily on the surplus of the Duchy of Cornwall, after official expenditure has been deducted at the highest rate, which was 45 per cent in 2016-17, resulting in a total of £4.8million (including an element of VAT)."
Voluntarily 😱😱😱
Can I go on that scheme please?
|
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 8:48:38 GMT
We already have, it's held in Trust and administered by the Chairman of the Duchy of Lancaster, a Cabinet post. The profits go to the Sovereign, after tax, but the Estate can't be sold. It's a way to make the Sovereign financially independent of government and not beholden to them. It allows the King or Queen to remain apolitical. It's an interesting question,should we also then take back the lands etc owned by the Aristocracy,if you consider the Duke of Westminster his enormous wealth is generated from his massive land holdings. How would that work? Easy Yes. Inherited wealth accumulated by ancient feudalism is unacceptable in a modern democratic society. |
|
|
|
Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2022 8:56:42 GMT
Meanwhile, why the kill the bill protests were important.
"Scotland Yard says people "absolutely have a right to protest" about the monarchy after a man carrying a blank piece of paper was told he might "offend someone".
Suppression, in the name of a "Monarchy"
And so it came to pass
The Metropolitan Police issued a statement after a barrister, Paul Powlesland, filmed an altercation he had with an officer in Parliament Square.
The 36-year-old can be heard saying: "Why would you ask for my details?"
The officer replies: "So I can check and make sure you can be here. You've already said you've been arrested once."
Mr Powlesland responds: "No, I said other people had been arrested. I was holding up a blank sign. Why are you asking for me details?"
The officer says: "Because you said you were going to write stuff on it that may offend people."
Mr Powlesland says: "I said I was going to write 'not my king' on a sign."
The officer replies: "You may offend someone."
Mr Powlesland said the officer told him he risked being arrested if he had gone ahead and written "not my king" on the paper."
|
|
|
|
Post by wrongsideoftheriver on Sept 13, 2022 9:01:17 GMT
Meanwhile, why the kill the bill protests were important. "Scotland Yard says people "absolutely have a right to protest" about the monarchy after a man carrying a blank piece of paper was told he might "offend someone". Suppression, in the name of a "Monarchy" And so it came to pass The Metropolitan Police issued a statement after a barrister, Paul Powlesland, filmed an altercation he had with an officer in Parliament Square. The 36-year-old can be heard saying: "Why would you ask for my details?" The officer replies: "So I can check and make sure you can be here. You've already said you've been arrested once." Mr Powlesland responds: "No, I said other people had been arrested. I was holding up a blank sign. Why are you asking for me details?" The officer says: "Because you said you were going to write stuff on it that may offend people." Mr Powlesland says: "I said I was going to write 'not my king' on a sign." The officer replies: "You may offend someone." Mr Powlesland said the officer told him he risked being arrested if he had gone ahead and written "not my king" on the paper."
Do these people have nothing better to do other than stand outside for hours on end just to hold a sign up that the majority of people wont take a second look at.
|
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,542
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2022 9:24:56 GMT
It's an interesting question,should we also then take back the lands etc owned by the Aristocracy,if you consider the Duke of Westminster his enormous wealth is generated from his massive land holdings. How would that work? Easy Yes. Inherited wealth accumulated by ancient feudalism is unacceptable in a modern democratic society. Not sure about ancient feudalism, wasn't the first Duke an 18th Century businessman whose portfolio ultimately led to the Grosvenor hotel chain? |
|
stuart1974
Proper Gas
Posts: 12,542
Member is Online
|
Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2022 9:37:23 GMT
We already have, it's held in Trust and administered by the Chairman of the Duchy of Lancaster, a Cabinet post. The profits go to the Sovereign, after tax, but the Estate can't be sold. It's a way to make the Sovereign financially independent of government and not beholden to them. It allows the King or Queen to remain apolitical. That's an administrative sop. The reality, above all the details of taxpayer funding, the so called Prince of Wales earned £21 million last year from the Duchy of Cornwall. That's our land, our money. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/duchy-of-cornwall-estate-worth-1bn-passes-to-prince-williamTake it back. Disagree about that but ultimately I think we both want different things from a Head of State. From memory you'd prefer a President along US lines with executive powers and a federal UK. Personally I want to retain Cabinet government through Parliament and a Prime Minister and an apolitical Head of State whose role should be more ceremonial. To be apolitical they would need to have independent financial support which may as well be through the Duchy of Lancaster as anything. I could go for a President similar to Ireland where the 'great and the good' are elected but not a political position. I'd rather President David Attenborough than President Boris Johnson. Like Clive, we'll have to agree to disagree. |
|
