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Post by popuppirate on Sept 10, 2022 18:34:45 GMT
Well, yeah. There's a wider argument about racism here, but I agree his behaviour whilst pi$$ed on arrest was disgusting. The timing of the tweet was attention seeking, he's now experiencing another form of attention and probably regrets it. There is a point in there though about racism, which he has likely experienced himself, and how it is embedded in our establishment I suppose then that both you and GasGoMarchingIn are correct. Sinclair is correct, the Palace is racist and have done nothing to improve things. He is also a knob. Probably a fair summary 👍 |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 12, 2022 11:43:41 GMT
Do not Dissent
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Post by baggins on Sept 12, 2022 11:50:13 GMT
Didn't vote for Truss either. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2022 12:22:39 GMT
Didn't vote for Truss either. Indeed. But at least the Tories are in power as a result of a democratic vote. Personally, I am able to accept that, but nothing else. |
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Post by baggins on Sept 12, 2022 12:27:12 GMT
Didn't vote for Truss either. Indeed. But at least the Tories are in power as a result of a democratic vote. Personally, I am able to accept that, but nothing else. Didn't vote for the Head of the Police either. |
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Post by fintanstack on Sept 12, 2022 12:29:17 GMT
Didn't vote for Truss either. Indeed. But at least the Tories are in power as a result of a democratic vote. Personally, I am able to accept that, but nothing else. A flawed and rigged voting system perpetrated by the big two. Until we get proportional representation it will not really be democracy. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 12, 2022 13:08:43 GMT
Couple of thoughts: Westminster is a "controlled area" and under the new law even one person protests can get moved on. You recall those who thought it wouldn't be an issue or restrict our freedoms. This could have been done elsewhere without the involvement of the Police, was this done knowing she would be moved on? Timing is poor. Even the PM of Australia said he won't hold a referendum yet out of respect. There will be a lot of people upset by this which could cause a commotion getting out of hand. As I've said before, there is a time and place to discuss these matters, I would have hoped people would have the decency to at least wait until after the funeral before they staged these types of demos otherwise they could lose some support. Personally I think she shouldn't have been moved on and allowed her say, but I do have my suspicions as to her motives. I've become too cynical these days. 🧐 |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 12, 2022 13:26:54 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2022 13:54:54 GMT
Indeed. But at least the Tories are in power as a result of a democratic vote. Personally, I am able to accept that, but nothing else. A flawed and rigged voting system perpetrated by the big two. Until we get proportional representation it will not really be democracy. I agree with you |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 12, 2022 13:58:33 GMT
It'll probably drop lower now, not sure there is an appetite for change yet though and if there is a referendum at some point, can we please agree on what follows first. I'm sure we've learnt from Brexit not to give carte blanche to politicians. 😶 |
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2022 14:02:20 GMT
Couple of thoughts: Westminster is a "controlled area" and under the new law even one person protests can get moved on. You recall those who thought it wouldn't be an issue or restrict our freedoms. This could have been done elsewhere without the involvement of the Police, was this done knowing she would be moved on? Timing is poor. Even the PM of Australia said he won't hold a referendum yet out of respect. There will be a lot of people upset by this which could cause a commotion getting out of hand. As I've said before, there is a time and place to discuss these matters, I would have hoped people would have the decency to at least wait until after the funeral before they staged these types of demos otherwise they could lose some support. Personally I think she shouldn't have been moved on and allowed her say, but I do have my suspicions as to her motives. I've become too cynical these days. 🧐 The whole point of protest is to cause a fuss to highlight a point. Only oppressive regimes are alarmed by it. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 12, 2022 14:05:07 GMT
It'll probably drop lower now, not sure there is an appetite for change yet though and if there is a referendum at some point, can we please agree on what follows first. I'm sure we've learnt from Brexit not to give carte blanche to politicians. 😶 Not so sure. Speaking to my age group (nearly dead) we are heartily watered off with the wall to wall, repetitive, coverage since Friday. As I said previously, with her passing the ballast may well be removed from the system of monarchy. Let's hope so. |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 12, 2022 14:21:01 GMT
It'll probably drop lower now, not sure there is an appetite for change yet though and if there is a referendum at some point, can we please agree on what follows first. I'm sure we've learnt from Brexit not to give carte blanche to politicians. 😶 Macron for president! 🇫🇷 |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 12, 2022 14:48:41 GMT
Couple of thoughts: Westminster is a "controlled area" and under the new law even one person protests can get moved on. You recall those who thought it wouldn't be an issue or restrict our freedoms. This could have been done elsewhere without the involvement of the Police, was this done knowing she would be moved on? Timing is poor. Even the PM of Australia said he won't hold a referendum yet out of respect. There will be a lot of people upset by this which could cause a commotion getting out of hand. As I've said before, there is a time and place to discuss these matters, I would have hoped people would have the decency to at least wait until after the funeral before they staged these types of demos otherwise they could lose some support. Personally I think she shouldn't have been moved on and allowed her say, but I do have my suspicions as to her motives. I've become too cynical these days. 🧐 I see a heckler of Prince Andrew in Scotland has been pulled out of the crowd along the streets as the procession went through. I can fully understand that. moving a person on, who appears to have been peaceful and co-operative with the police strikes me as a great example of the very dangerous use of power the Police have |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 12, 2022 15:15:10 GMT
I’ll miss you your majesty. A quite incredible woman. Rest in peace.  How fitting that Scotland is playing such a huge part in the ceremonies surrounding H.M death, i am sure she would not have had it any other way, Scotland, probably her favourite part of UK, has done her proud. Thank you. |
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Post by azulyblanco on Sept 12, 2022 15:25:01 GMT
Amen to that, francegas.
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Post by The Equaliser on Sept 12, 2022 15:48:23 GMT
Incredible scenes. Quite the tribute in Edinburgh today for the late Queen.  |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 12, 2022 16:30:16 GMT
It'll probably drop lower now, not sure there is an appetite for change yet though and if there is a referendum at some point, can we please agree on what follows first. I'm sure we've learnt from Brexit not to give carte blanche to politicians. 😶 Not so sure. Speaking to my age group (nearly dead) we are heartily watered off with the wall to wall, repetitive, coverage since Friday. As I said previously, with her passing the ballast may well be removed from the system of monarchy. Let's hope so. Well actually I'm fascinated by the whole thing,the tradition, language,protocols and ritual,not to mention the pageantary,how boring to have another vanilla country with a president. |
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Post by fintanstack on Sept 12, 2022 16:50:00 GMT
Not so sure. Speaking to my age group (nearly dead) we are heartily watered off with the wall to wall, repetitive, coverage since Friday. As I said previously, with her passing the ballast may well be removed from the system of monarchy. Let's hope so. Well actually I'm fascinated by the whole thing,the tradition, language,protocols and ritual,not to mention the pageantary,how boring to have another vanilla country with a president. Keep them but stop paying them. The Queen was one of the richest women in the world, all the while sticking her hand out for tax payers money. Charles is now one of the richest men in the world and William is said to have taken over a multi billion slice of the family pie. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 12, 2022 17:10:49 GMT
Well actually I'm fascinated by the whole thing,the tradition, language,protocols and ritual,not to mention the pageantary,how boring to have another vanilla country with a president. Keep them but stop paying them. The Queen was one of the richest women in the world, all the while sticking her hand out for tax payers money. Charles is now one of the richest men in the world and William is said to have taken over a multi billion slice of the family pie. We don't really pay them, the Sovereign Grant is to cover the expenses of being Head of State, that would remain regardless. Remain and reform, now where did I see that before?? 😇 |
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