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Post by pirate on Sept 15, 2022 20:11:22 GMT
There was a picture doing the rounds a few years ago showing the Queen mother and the Queen doing a nazi salute if I remember correctly. God bless her. Edward VIII encouraging it.  |
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Post by axegas on Sept 15, 2022 20:14:45 GMT
There was a picture doing the rounds a few years ago showing the Queen mother and the Queen doing a nazi salute if I remember correctly. God bless her. Edward VIII encouraging it. I'm as anti-royalist as they come, but I think the princesses were brought up to be as diplomatic to guests as possible and that was a time were not many people in England really knew about the night of the long knives or kristallnacht, the Holocaust and WW2 hadn't happened yet. So while those pictures don't look good from our perspective, I think its important to remember context. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 15, 2022 20:18:49 GMT
There was a picture doing the rounds a few years ago showing the Queen mother and the Queen doing a nazi salute if I remember correctly. God bless her. Edward VIII encouraging it. I'm trying to think of a way of understanding it in the context of the time, but suspicions and worries about Fascism were well established then so it is pretty indefensible. Back then the royals were still a law unto themselves. |
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Post by pirate on Sept 15, 2022 20:24:22 GMT
Edward VIII encouraging it. I'm trying to think of a way of understanding it in the context of the time, but suspicions and worries about Fascism were well established then so it is pretty indefensible. Back then the royals were still a law unto themselves. |
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Post by fintanstack on Sept 15, 2022 20:27:20 GMT
Edward VIII encouraging it. I'm trying to think of a way of understanding it in the context of the time, but suspicions and worries about Fascism were well established then so it is pretty indefensible. Back then the royals were still a law unto themselves. Back then? |
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Post by pirate on Sept 15, 2022 20:33:07 GMT
I won't be expecting any files to be opened up when you consider secret files on Prince Phillip were locked away for an astonishing 100 years! Attachment Deleted |
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Post by eric on Sept 15, 2022 20:41:12 GMT
I preferred David Icke when he talked about Martians.
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Post by aghast on Sept 15, 2022 20:41:42 GMT
I'm trying to think of a way of understanding it in the context of the time, but suspicions and worries about Fascism were well established then so it is pretty indefensible. Back then the royals were still a law unto themselves. Back then? Don't start that. You'll be locked up. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 15, 2022 21:58:50 GMT
I'm trying to think of a way of understanding it in the context of the time, but suspicions and worries about Fascism were well established then so it is pretty indefensible. Back then the royals were still a law unto themselves. Back then? 🤭🤫 Exactly That photo is sickening. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 15, 2022 22:12:10 GMT
Hopefully we can have a referendum on the monarchy as soon as possible now so the people can decide on how we want to be governed. If we vote to keep it, then fair enough, but we’ve never had that say unlike some other modern constitutional monarchies. Why? i would have thought it very obvious from the past few days that folk in the UK are happy with the present system with a 'constitutional ' monarchy. It sure beats the alternative! rest of the world seem to think so to, excepting Putin and co of course! As if Putin or his ilk are the actual alternatives. 🤭🤭🤭 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 15, 2022 22:13:09 GMT
I see Godwin's Law has proven itself yet again.
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Post by aghast on Sept 15, 2022 22:18:39 GMT
I see Godwin's Law has proven itself yet again. Like a doner kebab after too many beers, so a friend tells me. |
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Post by fintanstack on Sept 16, 2022 4:32:47 GMT
I see Godwin's Law has proven itself yet again. It does not apply if the person(s) being discussed were actually nazi sympathisers. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2022 5:40:28 GMT
I see Godwin's Law has proven itself yet again. It does not apply if the person(s) being discussed were actually nazi sympathisers. Precisely |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 16, 2022 6:14:42 GMT
I see Godwin's Law has proven itself yet again. It does not apply if the person(s) being discussed were actually nazi sympathisers. Edward VIII's sympathies are well documented but on what grounds is there a suggestion the Queen was a Nazi sympathiser? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2022 6:58:16 GMT
It does not apply if the person(s) being discussed were actually nazi sympathisers. Edward VIII's sympathies are well documented but on what grounds is there a suggestion the Queen was a Nazi sympathiser? The camera doesn't lie and it's not just about Elizabeth. It's about the Monarchy in general and the broader family that occupied / occupy positions within the Monarchy. Her mother for example. |
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Post by trevorgas on Sept 16, 2022 7:04:26 GMT
Edward VIII's sympathies are well documented but on what grounds is there a suggestion the Queen was a Nazi sympathiser? The camera doesn't lie and it's not just about Elizabeth. It's about the Monarchy in general and the broader family that occupied / occupy positions within the Monarchy. Her mother for example. Christ how old is she in that photo,a child ,come on totally irrelevant.so on that logic everything you did as a child is indicative of your beliefs as an adult? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 16, 2022 7:13:55 GMT
Edward VIII's sympathies are well documented but on what grounds is there a suggestion the Queen was a Nazi sympathiser? The camera doesn't lie and it's not just about Elizabeth. It's about the Monarchy in general and the broader family that occupied / occupy positions within the Monarchy. Her mother for example. My older brothers are racist and homophobic, I'm not. |
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Post by popuppirate on Sept 16, 2022 8:00:49 GMT
The difficulty is though, for me, trust in the 'establishment' has eroded almost completely over the years. Savile, and others, were basically enabled by high ranking members of government and royalty as his behaviour was widely rumoured for years before his death. The BBC and Starmer have taken most of the flak but he had close allies elsewhere too. Andrew would be facing criminal charges and deeper investigation without a huge out of court settlement, but it feels almost against the law to mention that right now when mourning and grief may as well be mandatory.
The treatment of Diana, and now Meghan, leaves me feeling uncomfortable too, particularly with some veiled sexism/racism tones from the media.
I bear no malice towards the queen, she seemed quite nice, but the 'establishment' have proved, to me, untrustworthy and quite capable of hiding further skeletons.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 16, 2022 8:20:49 GMT
The camera doesn't lie and it's not just about Elizabeth. It's about the Monarchy in general and the broader family that occupied / occupy positions within the Monarchy. Her mother for example. Christ how old is she in that photo,a child ,come on totally irrelevant.so on that logic everything you did as a child is indicative of your beliefs as an adult? I must admit that when I was a young kid I pulled off the legs of a spider. Should I forever be branded as someone who is cruel to animals? |
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