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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 19:56:25 GMT
The question was how many goals make a successful striker, not how many does Matty Taylor need to score to get recognition. Answer to the question? 20+ in a season should be any striker's target To be fair there should be clarity on whether pens count or not though. To me goals are goals. You can't lose a game 1-0 if you score 2 penalties can you. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2015 20:09:55 GMT
Most penalty takers will score the major they take, I can't see you can say a striker is good because he scores penalties.
A good striker needs to score 15+ goals excluding penalties, unfortunately, Taylor doesn't look like getting anywhere near that figure and that's probably why DC's trying to sign Tubbs.
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Post by britishgas on Jan 5, 2015 20:23:30 GMT
The question was how many goals make a successful striker, not how many does Matty Taylor need to score to get recognition. Answer to the question? 20+ in a season should be any striker's target To be fair there should be clarity on whether pens count or not though. To me goals are goals. You can't lose a game 1-0 if you score 2 penalties can you. So if you stick a penalty-specialist fullback up front and he doesn't score from open play (but scores 15 penalties), does that make him a good striker? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 20:35:24 GMT
To be fair there should be clarity on whether pens count or not though. To me goals are goals. You can't lose a game 1-0 if you score 2 penalties can you. So if you stick a penalty-specialist fullback up front and he doesn't score from open play (but scores 15 penalties), does that make him a good striker? So the only thing you judge a front man on is goals? If you play a full back up front you won't win many penalties in the first place. |
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Post by Lambert's Right Boot on Jan 5, 2015 20:36:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 20:39:20 GMT
To be fair there should be clarity on whether pens count or not though. To me goals are goals. You can't lose a game 1-0 if you score 2 penalties can you. So if you stick a penalty-specialist fullback up front and he doesn't score from open play (but scores 15 penalties), does that make him a good striker? Also, why would you play a full back up front? Are you McGhee? |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 5, 2015 20:52:30 GMT
So if you stick a penalty-specialist fullback up front and he doesn't score from open play (but scores 15 penalties), does that make him a good striker? So the only thing you judge a front man on is goals? If you play a full back up front you won't win many penalties in the first place. That's a very good point - and out of interest, how many of the 4 pens has Matty Taylor won? Can he have those ones?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 20:54:20 GMT
Do what you like.
I'm tired of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 21:03:14 GMT
Pick any random number of allowed goals from Matty's 10 to fit whichever skewed narrative you prefer. He'll still be our top scorer. We'll still be second. |
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Post by Fat Albert on Jan 5, 2015 21:12:10 GMT
What makes a good striker,or should I say goalscorer,is the ratio of chances taken. A player may score twenty goals from eighty chances,another may score fifteen from twenty chances in the same division,who is the better goal scorer. Just looking at goals scored alone you may say the bloke with twenty,but the chances to goals scored says the player with fifteen is better. Very simplistic but that is how I see it Good way of looking at it. The goals scored tally doesn't always tell the full story. How many would the 15 goal striker have scored given more chances? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2015 21:45:14 GMT
In Taylor's case how many goals would a good striker score given the chances he's missed?
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Post by lincsblue on Jan 5, 2015 22:31:46 GMT
I think 15 goals is a decent return for a striker , how many players in the league will finish on 15+ goals this season ? 6 or 7 maybe ? Discounting Akinde there are 8 players on 11 or more goals today and a further 5 players on 10 2 Scott Rendell Woking 14 3 Damien Reeves Altrincham 13 4 Lenell John-Lewis Grimsby Town 12 5 Harry Beautyman Welling United 11 6 Louis Moult Wrexham 11 7 Jon Parkin Forest Green Rovers 11 8 Stefan Payne Dover Athletic 11 9 Brett Williams Aldershot Town 11 10 Ryan Bowman Torquay United 10 11 James Constable Eastleigh 10 12 Luisma Barnet 10 13 James Norwood Forest Green Rovers 10 14 Matty Taylor Bristol Rovers 10 |
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Post by Mark Ash on Jan 5, 2015 23:10:22 GMT
Ok. I'm feeling the general response that maybe 20 over 40+ games is most peoples' idea of a successful goal tally. I knew the penalties would be controversial, but I imagine Lineker's 40-odd England goals included quite a few, as did Shearer's, and no-one seems to bother with an "in open play" statistic for them. They still have to be stuck away but obviously penalties alone do not a striker make.
Watched Tubbs tonight against Liverpool on TV. Luckily, he didn't do anything that I saw, so I don't think we'll be competing with Liverpool for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 2:53:42 GMT
Good teams need a 20 goal striker. Or at least 2 on and around the 15 mark. I think we may get several into double figures which will probably give us a decent season ending. So in my opinion 20 goals is what should be expected from a front line marksman. so in 1989-90 mehew(18) and white(12) must have been utter rubbish? yet we won the league? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 3:56:27 GMT
Good teams need a 20 goal striker. Or at least 2 on and around the 15 mark. I think we may get several into double figures which will probably give us a decent season ending. So in my opinion 20 goals is what should be expected from a front line marksman. so in 1989-90 mehew(18) and white(12) must have been utter rubbish? yet we won the league? Think you may find Boris scored 21 that season. 18 were league goals |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 6:48:32 GMT
so in 1989-90 mehew(18) and white(12) must have been utter rubbish? yet we won the league? Think you may find Boris scored 21 that season. 18 were league goals But the other 3 goals may have been scored against inferior opposition, so they wouldn't count, the same as Ellis' hat-trick was dismissed by some!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 6:51:54 GMT
Think you may find Boris scored 21 that season. 18 were league goals But the other 3 goals may have been scored against inferior opposition, so they wouldn't count, the same as Ellis' hat-trick was dismissed by some! [ He never took any spot kicks though. |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 6, 2015 8:10:45 GMT
I think any successful team needs 15 goals from a striker. This should be fine if backed up by the rest of the team.
I mean look at Liverpol, with Suarez sold and Sturidge injured they have lost 90% of their goals and the rest of the team as nothing.
Blisset has 4 in 9 (good), Ellis has chipped in. we had some from Cunnington (even if id din't think much of him) Monkhouse has 6 goals, so could be good for 10 (good return from midfield). Ollie Clarke has chipped in with 3 or 4 I think Mansell has 4 or 5. Just think that is 15 goals from Midfield and will we more. We have had nearly feck all from different midfields for years
yeah we haven't scored loads, but they are coming from across the team and they all mean something
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Post by Mark Ash on Jan 6, 2015 8:25:47 GMT
Good teams need a 20 goal strike r. Or at least 2 on and around the 15 mark. I think we may get several into double figures which will probably give us a decent season ending. So in my opinion 20 goals is what should be expected from a front line marksman. so in 1989-90 mehew(18) and white(12) must have been utter rubbish? yet we won the league? That would fit though: 18 & 12 equates to 2 on or around 15 each. |
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Post by Congas on Jan 6, 2015 8:42:07 GMT
I'd rather he forged a natural partnership with Blisset, which he's not doing at the moment. He's a number 10 so should be getting 15+ goals. Blisset should be the 20+ striker. Assists should also be counted in, not just goals. Blisset and Tubbs could be an interesting combination.
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