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Post by Mark Ash on Jan 5, 2015 15:25:00 GMT
I think that Matty Taylor now has 11 goals in all competitions? (10+1)
Given that there are 16/18/19 games remaining (depending on playoffs), it seems likely that he will top 15. He'd only need a rate of about 1 in 2 from here to make it 20.
I realise that he has other aspects to his game, but just judging him solely on goals scored, do we think that 15 would be a successful haul (about 1 in 3) for our Number 10, or does he need 20? Or more?
I know this is simplistic, but any striker lives with these numbers, like a batsman in cricket. We talk about goalscorers a lot, so I thought we might get some clarification of what constitutes a successful haul in posters' eyes.
N.B. I'm personally not too fussed about how many are penalties. They still have to be scored and many are missed. I wouldn't have fancied having to take that equaliser against Torquay the other day, after waiting ages while the guy was sent off, 1-0 down, 5 minutes left... Anyway, there are easier tap-ins and we don't discount them. Personal view though.
What's your number for success?
EDIT: I've just watched the highlights of yesterday's game and it was Mansell who scored (as some have said) not MT, despite MT being credited everywhere, so I guess he's on 10.
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Post by Gashead73 on Jan 5, 2015 15:27:37 GMT
I think despite a slow start Matty is now finding his feet. 18 -20 goals is not out of reach if he is indeed in form.... Lets just see!!!
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Post by Gas-Ed on Jan 5, 2015 15:40:13 GMT
In my opinion, Matty T is one of the best players at the club. He is a number 10 not a 9 and probably won't ever be a genuine goal scorer. He would be a great foil for a Dickie Walker type.
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Post by Mark Ash on Jan 5, 2015 15:48:18 GMT
I agree he's a good player but I was interested to know what number of goals would make him a successful goal-scorer in posters' opinions for this season. I wasn't trying to drag up the whole "Is he good or isn't he?" thing, which we have discussed a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 15:53:14 GMT
Good teams need a 20 goal striker. Or at least 2 on and around the 15 mark. I think we may get several into double figures which will probably give us a decent season ending. So in my opinion 20 goals is what should be expected from a front line marksman.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Jan 5, 2015 15:54:46 GMT
He will get between 15-20 in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 15:55:54 GMT
What makes a good striker,or should I say goalscorer,is the ratio of chances taken. A player may score twenty goals from eighty chances,another may score fifteen from twenty chances in the same division,who is the better goal scorer. Just looking at goals scored alone you may say the bloke with twenty,but the chances to goals scored says the player with fifteen is better. Very simplistic but that is how I see it
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Post by long john silver on Jan 5, 2015 15:56:35 GMT
I think 15 goals is a decent return for a striker , how many players in the league will finish on 15+ goals this season ? 6 or 7 maybe ?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 5, 2015 16:06:31 GMT
Between 15-20 i would think is a good start, promotion form requires 25-30 like the Luton Guy last season
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 16:07:27 GMT
Between 15-20 i would think is a good start, promotion form requires 25-30 like the Luton Guy last season Chatted to any of my mates lately?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 5, 2015 16:22:03 GMT
Between 15-20 i would think is a good start, promotion form requires 25-30 like the Luton Guy last season Chatted to any of my mates lately? The last one i chatted to was in the Tote End
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 16:22:46 GMT
Chatted to any of my mates lately? The last one i chatted to was in the Tote End Who he? I know a fair few Tote Enders.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 18:01:57 GMT
12-14 goals minimum
15+ goals would be a decent return (inc pens)
20+ is great
25+ excellent.
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Post by socrates on Jan 5, 2015 18:24:13 GMT
12-14 goals minimum 15+ goals would be a decent return (inc pens) 20+ is great 25+ excellent. I'd go along with that. Although assists do come in to play as well though. A striker that only scored 15 but also created 15 would have had an amazing season i reckon.
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Post by britishgas on Jan 5, 2015 18:26:14 GMT
For a title-chasing team, I'd want 15-20 from open play. I don't believe that being a good penalty taker makes you a good striker, you could make a case for Balotelli being a top striker at AC Milan if you looked at his overall goal record, when he very rarely scored from open play. Full-backs can take pens, midfielders can take pens, hell, some of the best pens I've seen were by goalkeepers. If you stick Graham Alexander (former Burnley rightback and penalty specialist) in a number 9 shirt, and he scores 15/15 pens and 1 from open play, does that make him a great striker? No, it makes him a great penalty taker playing out of position. This brings me to Matty Taylor. All things considered, he's not a particularly great striker, certainly not one for a team chasing the title. He doesn't have the physicality or pace to lead the line on his own, he drops deep a bit too much for someone playing on the shoulder, and of course he's not a natural finisher. Now, this isn't to say he's a bad player. In fact, I think he's a very good player, and if everything goes well he'll have a good career in the Football League (hopefully with us). If he's to be Sir Matty etc, to become a legend here, it won't be as a striker, and certainly not as our main goal threat. He's very intelligent with his movement and I think quite a few people underrate his passing. I'm of the opinion that his long-term future here will be behind the striker, whether that's Blissett, Tubbs or whoever else DC picks up. Currently he's playing as a #9 out of necessity, because we haven't got any decent alternatives. Now that LDV is at Fulham and it looks like we're signing Tubbs, I'd be interested to see how DC lines up, seeing as he probably won't want to do without a physical striker (i.e. have Tubbs and Taylor up front, regardless of how cool a Tn'T strikeforce sounds). Perhaps Taylor at the tip of a diamond behind Blissett and Tubbs? Regardless, it'll be good to have genuine options up front for the first time in what feels like ages.
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Post by pirateman on Jan 5, 2015 18:34:40 GMT
Forty Two obviously
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 18:54:23 GMT
Yes, yes. Don't count penalties. Especially high pressure ones that won us points.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 19:10:21 GMT
15-20.
Unless you're Taylor because none of his count.
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Post by stapletongas on Jan 5, 2015 19:30:48 GMT
The question was how many goals make a successful striker, not how many does Matty Taylor need to score to get recognition.
Answer to the question? 20+ in a season should be any striker's target
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Post by cagastrophy on Jan 5, 2015 19:33:57 GMT
At his age and the league we are in, I would agree on 20
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